Now what?

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Man watching Luka and

1) dude has to work on his scoring efficiency. 30% from the field. Bad from three. Bad from FT line

2) Wood is going to feast on open shots? both picks and pops.

Are you talking about the Slovenia vs Italy game? I wouldn't put too much stock in it. It's only an exhibition game.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Are you talking about the Slovenia vs Italy game? I wouldn't put too much stock in it. It's only an exhibition game.

If it only happened in exhibition games I?d be really pleased. Happened a lot in the regular and post season too

After conditioning and weight management, shooting needs to be Lukas focus

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

If it only happened in exhibition games I?d be really pleased. Happened a lot in the regular and post season too

After conditioning and weight management, shooting needs to be Lukas focus

Well showing up at training camp fat and out of shape was a major problem. But once he got into shape, he started absolutely beasting. On the season he ended 46% FG and 35% 3pt. Could use improvement but that's hardly what I'd call inefficient, considering his insanely high usage rate. Guys who have to carry the kind of offensive load Luka does almost always suffer in their efficiency. Hopefully adding a C who isn't useless outside of lob passes will really help take some of the load off of him.

In terms of scoring from the field, the only thing that I think he could really stand to improve his taking fewer step-back threes. He's a much better shooter than his numbers indicate, because of the extremely high degree of difficulty on his threes. Still, 35% is way better than where he started.

[Thespiralgoeson]

^^ And last I checked, Slovenia was up by 20+, so I don't think Luka's sweating an inefficient stat line.

[BPo001]

Per Woj Mavs are out on Kyrie

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Per Woj Mavs are out on Kyrie

Thank god. I think he also reported that every other team on Kyrie's wish list is out on him, except for the Lakers. And good luck trying to convince the Nets to take Westbrook. I would just love to see the look on Durant's face if they actually did that.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Thank god. I think he also reported that every other team on Kyrie's wish list is out on him, except for the Lakers. And good luck trying to convince the Nets to take Westbrook. I would just love to see the look on Durant's face if they actually did that.

Ha, Durant will demand out as well.....PHX for Ayton?

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Ha, Durant will demand out as well.....PHX for Ayton?

I sure hope not. Let CP3 ride off on his banana boat ringless. I hate that he would be in the west, but curious what Durant would look like in Portland. I don?t want to see him in Miami because I?m tired of players wanting to go there (forever F the Heat). Realistically I hope he just stays in Brooklyn with or without Kyrie.

[purplefrog]

Looking at roster spots available (assuming Mavs re-sign JB):

Wood trade opened up three.

Hardy (lock)
Pinson? (There was talk that the Mavs were going to give him a spot)
3 and D wing with MLE?

Is that it?

Can the Mavs really afford to keep Hardy, Green, Pinson, and Frank?

Don't they need more front court depth? (Wood, Maxi, Powell.....??)

If this is accurate, then I would hope another trade or two are on the horizon.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Kyrie has officially asked for a trade which could change things with Brunson. I feel it might take the pressure off of them if they can get Kyrie instead of Jalen.

Also, John Wall might be bought out. Wouldn't mind him if Brunson walks.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Annnd Woj reporting that only the Lakers seem to be the team to get him.

Be wild if Kyrie declined his option to sign with the Lakers for 6 mil.

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Annnd Woj reporting that only the Lakers seem to be the team to get him.

Be wild if Kyrie declined his option to sign with the Lakers for 6 mil.

Even though the earth is flat...37 is still greater than 6.....that Duke education.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Even though the earth is flat...37 is still greater than 6.....that Duke education.

Must spread rep.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Well the Mavs were prepared to give Lowry 30 mil a year last summer right? So I don't see why that would stop them from giving much better JB the same money.

Again, money won't be the issue IMO. If Brunson leaves, then it will be because he wants to. Nico isn't stupid.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Well the Mavs were prepared to give Lowry 30 mil a year last summer right? So I don't see why that would stop them from giving much better JB the same money.

Again, money won't be the issue IMO. If Brunson leaves, then it will be because he wants to. Nico isn't stupid.

True. And that's why I'm not taking this stuff about him wanting to be the "lead guard" in NY that seriously. Nobody says that kind of thing to someone like Marc Stein without an agenda. He's just making sure the Mavs pony up. Because if he actually did want to go to NY and leave millions of dollars on the table, what the hell do you accomplish by telling the media first?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

True. And that's why I'm not taking this stuff about him wanting to be the "lead guard" in NY that seriously. Nobody says that kind of thing to someone like Marc Stein without an agenda. He's just making sure the Mavs pony up. Because if he actually did want to go to NY and leave millions of dollars on the table, what the hell do you accomplish by telling the media first?

And there really was no FA drama outside of this for a good week it seems like. Now the Kyrie stuff might take some of the steam out of the click bait.

And even Stein needs subscribers. I trust most of what he says, but even after saying the Knicks are a real threat goes on to say there is no clear frontrunner. Meaning there really isn't any news here.

[BPo001]

Callie Caplan: Mavs officially announce assistant GM Keith Grant?s retirement after 42 seasons. He?ll remain a consultant to Nico Harrison and crew. Literally a franchise OG. ? via Twitter CallieCaplan

[JustJay]

Kyrie is staying with the Nets.

[BPo001]

Mavs TPE expired today I believe. Can anyone confirm?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Mavs TPE expired today I believe. Can anyone confirm?

Yes per Stein. Unlikely to use it.

[Amarelooms]

Sounds like punk Brunson gone New York. Do they have any motivation do sign and trade with us. Need anything back even if trash - Cuban screwed this up. Messed up his initial deal and then not signing him during season to decent deal.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

One of the sign and trades that works is Noel and Burks and maybe a protected pick for Brunson.

It's not great, but I don't hate it. Noel fills in that bruiser/traditional center role and Burks is a nice gap filler until Hardy develops. Burks averages 12 ppg on 40% shooting, so that's not terrible. He's also a pretty good rebounder at 5 a game.

[Amarelooms]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

One of the sign and trades that works is Noel and Burks and maybe a protected pick for Brunson.

It's not great, but I don't hate it. Noel fills in that bruiser/traditional center role and Burks is a nice gap filler until Hardy develops. Burks averages 12 ppg on 40% shooting, so that's not terrible. He's also a pretty good rebounder at 5 a game.

What about cam reddish

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Amarelooms

What about cam reddish

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2022/6...-to-the-knicks

Ok so Noel plus Burks might not fit together. But yes, you could do Noel and Reddish. That doesn't really appeal to me as much. I'm not really a big fan of Reddish.

[Amarelooms]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2022/6...-to-the-knicks

Ok so Noel plus Burks might not fit together. But yes, you could do Noel and Reddish. That doesn't really appeal to me as much. I'm not really a big fan of Reddish.

Thanks. Give me Noel and reddish or burks and couple others -Can flip those players/contracts later. Just need something back

[tap2390]

If you're the Mavs hold out for Quickley... as of now the best path forward for all parties involved is a sign-and-trade (at least until the Knicks prove they can dump the remaining salary needed).

A S&T helps the Knicks avoid giving up assets to reduce salary, helps JB get the most possible money, and gives the Mavs something back. A lot of this will depend on whether JB is willing to play ball.

[Amarelooms]

Also maybe tell Brunson get little more than 4/100. Then can get burks/reddish. Insane that they want pay him 25 mil a year. He?s not that guy. Insanity. Always one dumb team that overpays.

[BPo001]

Thursday can?t come soon enough. Hopefully JB makes his decision known quick because I don?t want to wait around (not that it matters because we can?t sign anyone else). Do the Knicks need us to do a SnT in order for them to pay Brunson what he might be looking for? Part of me wants to tell Brunson either sign with Dallas to our offer, or if you really want to go to NY then you sign whatever they can offer you. I think Cuban would do JB right though and help facilitate a deal to get him more money.

I?ve seen the Payton rumors, but I can?t see him leaving the Warriors. I also didn?t realize Payton is already 29 years old.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Thursday can?t come soon enough. Hopefully JB makes his decision known quick because I don?t want to wait around (not that it matters because we can?t sign anyone else). Do the Knicks need us to do a SnT in order for them to pay Brunson what he might be looking for? Part of me wants to tell Brunson either sign with Dallas to our offer, or if you really want to go to NY then you sign whatever they can offer you. I think Cuban would do JB right though and help facilitate a deal to get him more money.

I?ve seen the Payton rumors, but I can?t see him leaving the Warriors. I also didn?t realize Payton is already 29 years old.

Yea, if JB is really intent on going to the Knicks and doesn't work with Mavs FO to get something in return, then fuck 'em. That sounds harsh but the Mavs have done a bunch for him (and vice versa) but he has to know the position it would put us in. Help the Knicks and yourself, along with the team that drafted you and gave you every opportunity.

I would think a SNT would look something like Burks + filler + our 2023 1st rounder back would be advantageous.

I don't think they would part with Quickley, but obviously someone the Mavs would want to try and get back. I would be interested in Jerico Sims, but not sure how the two-way contracts work in these types of trades.

They won't part with Barrett or Obi, and Randle and Fournier make too much to work and are big time meh (although could you get rid of Powell?).

This is just a clusterfuck and on the Mavs FO for not executing an earlier extension. But again, if JB is intent on going to the Knicks and doesn't make that clear to the Mavs and doesn't work with us, then I would have no love lost on him.

[Amarelooms]

Rumor knicks trying send Noel to clippers. Won?t need us sign in trade. Might be screwed and become nightmare

[tap2390]

Not paying JB $27-30m a year is going to look like genius hindsight in 2-3 years. Mark my words.

Yes I get everyone's point about irreplaceable asset and we're capped out blah blah blah. All I know is we can't give away THJ at $17m. Signing JB at $28m puts a hard ceiling on our squad.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Not paying JB $27-30m a year is going to look like genius hindsight in 2-3 years. Mark my words.

Yes I get everyone's point about irreplaceable asset and we're capped out blah blah blah. All I know is we can't give away THJ at $17m. Signing JB at $28m puts a hard ceiling on our squad.

How exactly does it put a hard ceiling on anything? Whether you pay him 17 or 30, whether you pay him nothing at all and let him walk. It has literally zero effect on our ability to sign free agents or conduct trades. So, worst case scenario, we're stuck with a bad contract for a few years. Every team in the league has bad contracts.

[tap2390]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

How exactly does it put a hard ceiling on anything? Whether you pay him 17 or 30, whether you pay him nothing at all and let him walk. It has literally zero effect on our ability to sign free agents or conduct trades. So, worst case scenario, we're stuck with a bad contract for a few years. Every team in the league has bad contracts.

Every team has a few bad contracts, but having 3 to 4 bad contracts simultaneously is killer. My opinion is what it would take to pay JB is much greater than the on-court value we will lose if he walks. If you can sign and trade him for a decent guard/ wing making 1/3rd to 1/5th of what he is making you?re in a much better position that if you pay him $27m a year for five years.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Every team has a few bad contracts, but having 3 to 4 bad contracts simultaneously is killer. My opinion is what it would take to pay JB is much greater than the on-court value we will lose if he walks. If you can sign and trade him for a decent guard/ wing making 1/3rd to 1/5th of what he is making you?re in a much better position that if you pay him $27m a year for five years.

*shrug* I just feel like having a bad contract for a few years is a much lesser evil than losing our second best player for nothing and then having to replace his ball handling with no trade assets and no cap space. The thing about bad contracts is, in the final year they actually become valuable assets.

If I'm Nico, I'm definitely willing to listen to sign and trade possibilities, but I just know sign and trades are way more difficult and options are way more limited than fans seem to think. And I'm not dealing Brunson unless I'm getting a decent ball handler back.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Every team has a few bad contracts, but having 3 to 4 bad contracts simultaneously is killer. My opinion is what it would take to pay JB is much greater than the on-court value we will lose if he walks. If you can sign and trade him for a decent guard/ wing making 1/3rd to 1/5th of what he is making you?re in a much better position that if you pay him $27m a year for five years.

Except you?re not finding our second best player in free agency after Brunson our second best player in the playoffs, leaves. And again Mavs have no cap space and the rules are very quirky for a sign and trade to even be possible much less one the FO wants. Your only option is to be a worse team. Dinwiddie absolutely can?t pick up the slack. The team was gassed vs Warriors. And now you have our second best ball handler gone.

It will sadly be all on Lukas shoulders again but with one less ball handler.

[Dtownsfinest]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Not paying JB $27-30m a year is going to look like genius hindsight in 2-3 years. Mark my words.

Yes I get everyone's point about irreplaceable asset and we're capped out blah blah blah. All I know is we can't give away THJ at $17m. Signing JB at $28m puts a hard ceiling on our squad.

I've never seen anyone become untradeable though. I mean we ended up with Bertans the worst contract in the league. I'd rather have JB at 27 than not at all that's for sure. I feel a lot better about this team with him on it then without.

[BPo001]

Matej Sportinfo: Luka and Goran were asked about the possibility of them playing together in Dallas next season. Luka: ?I would like to answer that, but I think it?s a 100.000 penalty if I did. You should ask the GM about that.? Goran: ?We can?t talk about it till july 1st.?

[Amarelooms]

What?s the vet minimum? I?ll take dragic on that. Not the 6 million exception though.

[BPo001]

I don?t know how legit this source is, but?



Ross
@LegionHoopsRoss
Nets guard and unrestricted free agent Goran Dragic plans to sign with the Dallas Mavericks when free agency begins on Friday, per league source.

[ShaggyDirk]

I guess it's the years I've spent since 2011 following college recruiting that has made me numb to this deal. If he goes... he goes. We'll be fine and something else will open up for us. We're not a dynasty franchise and never will be. I'll take a championship once a decade until I die and be happy. Go Mavs!