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dude1394 · 06-20-2007, 08:59 PM

Ouch baby... People don't trust congress as far as they can throw 'em. This number is actually scary. When 9 in 10 don't trust the guvment, bad things can happen.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/gallup/200...o_hmos_an.html

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New Gallup data show confidence in Congress at all time low

Just 14% of Americans have a great deal or quite a lot of confidence in Congress.

This 14% Congressional confidence rating is the all-time low for this measure, which Gallup initiated in 1973. The previous low point for Congress was 18% at several points in the period of time 1991 to 1994.

FishForLunch · 06-20-2007, 11:09 PM

Throw out the old buzzards in the Senate, we need new blood, new ideas.

chumdawg · 06-21-2007, 02:16 AM

This is the Ron Paul Effect. Trust me!

Mavdog · 06-21-2007, 09:56 AM

the ron paul effect? nah, imho it's more appropriate to call it the bush presidency effect.

every institution except two saw a decrease in the level of trust- of all categories, only big business and hmo's of all things (their ratings were pretty low to begin with)

even the military and the criminal justice system were viewed with less trust.

Flacolaco · 06-21-2007, 10:06 AM

Maybe a better newspaper headline would be "We told you what to believe, and guess what? You believed us!!"

mcsluggo · 06-21-2007, 10:11 AM

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the ron paul effect? nah, imho it's more appropriate to call it the bush presidency effect.

every institution except two saw a decrease in the level of trust- of all categories, only big business and hmo's of all things (their ratings were pretty low to begin with)

even the military and the criminal justice system were viewed with less trust.

still, the fact that levls are below what they were when the GOP controlled congress (before the election) says SOMETHING.

I'd be interested to see a time series graph of congress' ratings over the past couple of decades...

(but I am, at heart, very VERY lazy-- so I won't find it. ah well)

dude1394 · 06-21-2007, 06:28 PM

Bush is the reason for every bad thing obviously. Even when the democrats run congress, he's still responsible for their historic bad ratings.

Yup...

dude1394 · 06-21-2007, 06:45 PM

Well obviously the feeling is mutual. Postings from a congressional site. Sounds right out of dailykos to me.
http://www.snappedshot.com/archives/...itol-Hill.html

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Yes, the Metro in July. Honestly, is there some kind of charter that says that you must be 50 lbs overweight, dress in clothes that don't fit, and reek to high hell from all the sweat generated by walking five feet before you are allowed to tour this city. Also, don't flock like lemmings to the one escalator that is working, walk up the stairs, to the left at all times, and don't crowed around the doors, the rest of us would kike to get on as well.

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Senate staffers: Please tell your members to vote in favor
of the immigration bill….so these ignorant [f**kers] will stop calling us!!!!

6/21/2007 - 9:35 am

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Is anyone else alarmed by the amount of email comming in on the CAFE standard??? There seems to be a large number of [f**ktards] who actually want the standard kept where it is. What the cock is this [s**t]. How quickly we forget 9/11, Afghanistan, and oh... IRAQ!

35 mpg by 2020!!!! TWENTY FUCKING TWENTY. Half of those jackasses sending emails won't even be alive. And really, how much oil is going to be left by then? Someone plow down Senator Bond with Hummer.

6/21/2007 - 9:27 am

This last one about CAFE standards drives me nuts. Congress has no dang business getting involved in CAFE standards. NONE. Congress is way too much in commerce and picking winners as is.

Mavdog · 06-22-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

Bush is the reason for every bad thing obviously. Even when the democrats run congress, he's still responsible for their historic bad ratings.

Yup...

go look at the figures.

the presidency is at the lowest numbers in the history of the survey. guess bush isn't repsponsible for that either?

my assertion is the failures of the bush presidency has damaged the public confidence in all our institutions.

why else would our military experience a decline in its rating?

what about banks, newspapers, etc?

dude1394 · 06-22-2007, 07:48 PM

Sure he has something to do with it. I expect that constant subpoenas, a do nothing congress has about the same amount.

dude1394 · 07-01-2007, 08:07 PM

Math is hard. Chuckle...
http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber...r-busts-nancy/

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Most of the mainstream newspapers continue to ignore that only 14% of the people have confidence in the Democratic Congress. The NY Times headlined on Thursday: “Immigrant Bill Dies in Senate; Defeat for Bush.” I thought Harry Reid led the Senate. But bless Carolyn Lochhead of the San Francisco Chronicle’s Washington Bureau for noticing that Reid and Nancy Pelosi are abyssmal failures. Wrote Lochhead:

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Immigration has joined Iraq, stem cell research, Medicare drug pricing, the 9/11 Commission’s recommendations and other promises in the dustbin of the current Congress. Heading into a July Fourth recess after a bruising failure on immigration, Congress has a public approval rating in the mid-20s, lower than Bush’s and no better than Republicans’ ratings on the eve of their catastrophic election defeat in November, when the GOP lost control of the Senate and the House.

So little has been achieved that Reid threatened to hold the Senate in session during the August recess, the congressional equivalent of torture.

Pelosi acknowledged the rock-bottom poll numbers but argued that Congress has “never been popular.” Just six months into her speakership, she was postponing many of her hopes to 2009, saying a new president could change things — presumably assuming it wouldn’t be a Republican.

“Congress is a big institution to turn around,” she said. “A new president comes in, and he or she is given every opportunity, because we — everybody wants the new president to succeed. A Congress comes in, and it’s Congress. It’s an institution that has not been popular.”

When I heard on television Pelosi say, “Congress is a big institution to turn around,” I was reminded of that great quote from Barbie: “Math is hard.”

Pelosi and Reid are great manipulators who rose to the heights of their profession through some great back-room maneuvering. But their sole achievement at this point is giving 1% of the working on a minimum wage raise. And I’m including everyone under $7.25 an hour, not just the just-under-500,000 people who make $5.15 an hour.

That’s it.

At least Pelosi admits there is a problem. On Planet Reid, he is saying, “Nancy, honestly, one other thing. Let’s be realistic about this. The war in Iraq is dragging down people’s confidence in what’s going on in this country.”

Ah, Senate Plurality Leader Harry Reid, D-Area 51.

Te people blame President Bush for Iraq, not Congress. Bush’s job approval average at Real Clear Politics is 30% approve, 64% disapprove.

Congress’s job approval average at Real Clear Politics is 25% approve, 65% disapprove.

To paraphrase Sally Fields at the Oscars, they hate you. They really do.

A couple of small suggestions: 1. Quite saying how much more ethical the Democratic Congress will be. William the Refrigerator Jefferson’s indictment showed that is unrealistic. 2. Quit whining about Bush. 3. Legislate.

That was the job they were elected to do. Instead they are out there subpoenaing and otherwise harrassing the administration over such nnon-issues as the firing of Will-and-Pleasure employees.

MFFL41 · 07-03-2007, 01:51 AM

wow dude you sure are republican talking head

dude1394 · 07-04-2007, 11:43 AM

Yea...I guess so, but I'm more an anti-democrat than complete republican.

If the choice is between the democrats and republicans, it's always an easy choice for me.

dude1394 · 07-06-2007, 09:48 PM

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ANOTHER GRIM MILESTONE: "According to Gallup, just 14% of people express confidence in the current Congress. That's the lowest measure in the 34 years Gallup has been tracking government institutions."

It's a quagmire. They should pull out of Washington and redeploy to Okinawa.

Funny..

rabbitproof · 07-08-2007, 05:04 PM

Washington is kind of in turmoil. Bush has the lowest ratings ever. Congress, traditionally graded lower, isn't doing too hot.

The system is broken.

Janett_Reno · 07-08-2007, 05:21 PM

The repubs want Bush impeached because he is killing them for the next election. Bush is the biggest bonehead and dumbest pres ever and Cheney is one of the biggest bullies ever as a vice pres.

I listened to a nice debate last night and a republican said, we must get Bush impeached and fast to have a shot at the next election. He said the dems love bonehead Bush, because dems have it easy as long as the bonehead stays. He said the problem also was the 3 front runnin' repubs was also bonehead Bush men that can't win. So the guy was really upset.

He said the Bush's and the Clinton's was the most corupt people he had ever heard of. Plus Jeb will try to run after the Dem wins the next term.

If i was a repub or dem, i would not want to win next time because Bonehead has this country in very bad shape and it will be hell to fix it.

Janett_Reno · 07-08-2007, 05:26 PM

If any of you have a shortwave radio. Tune in on Sat nights at frequency 3949 in mode LSB. It starts at 9:00pm central and goes to about 2:00am. It is a live forum of ham radio operators and it is mainly politics and they get down and dirty.

The majority are republicans and they are furious with Bush and Cheney in which most can't stand Hillary either. You will get a good laugh listening to the heated discusions.

dude1394 · 07-08-2007, 06:10 PM

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The repubs want Bush impeached because he is killing them for the next election. Bush is the biggest bonehead and dumbest pres ever and Cheney is one of the biggest bullies ever as a vice pres.

I listened to a nice debate last night and a republican said, we must get Bush impeached and fast to have a shot at the next election. He said the dems love bonehead Bush, because dems have it easy as long as the bonehead stays. He said the problem also was the 3 front runnin' repubs was also bonehead Bush men that can't win. So the guy was really upset.

He said the Bush's and the Clinton's was the most corupt people he had ever heard of. Plus Jeb will try to run after the Dem wins the next term.

If i was a repub or dem, i would not want to win next time because Bonehead has this country in very bad shape and it will be hell to fix it.

He sounds like a nut. What has been corrupt about Dubya? What was corrupt about Bush 1?

What about the country is in bad shape? Economy? Global Warming? Budget? What?

Janett_Reno · 07-08-2007, 07:23 PM

1.Started an unnecessary war based on faulty intelligence
2. Port authority debacle
3. Due to his decision to go to war caused a 400 billion debt
4. Poor handling of Katrina
5. Let the bulk of Al Queda slip out of our hands in tora bora
6. Embroiled us in a quadmire in Iraq
7. Cause members of his own party to distance themselves from him
8.Bush likes to say that his enormous tax cuts that give hundreds of billions of dollars to America's wealthiest people are job-creation programs. But America has bled millions of jobs since Bush's tax cuts became law, so it's time to try something new. Bush's new tactic? Beg China and Japan to increase the value of their currencies, which will make American manufacturers more competitive. But Bush has nothing to offer in return -- and has done little to make other countries inclined to offer him favors. Instead of making pointless pleas to other countries, maybe Bush should come up with an economic plan that would actually create jobs instead of just putting more money in the pockets of those who need it least.

China is about to overtake us on exports. We owe China with so much debt will we ever get out from it? Just and wait and see when our country is a slave and us as people are slaves to them in the future. They make it look nice but i know how bad life is in China and you do not open your mouth or you will not live long there. Bush has put us in so far debt it will be hard for this country to ever overcome.

We have started a war that most are saying now war crimes should and maybe will come to the top 4 or 5 in charge. Some resigned and got the hell out. We attacked a country that had nothing to do with 9-11. Nothing. The muslims and the extreme religious people was scarred as hell of Sadam and they would not attack him. The Iraqi people could walk down the street without getting bombed daily or Sadam would chop their heads off, of the ones that did. He was mean but atleast it wasn't a terriost country as it is now. That country is lost and gone now forever. Bush & Chenney made quick Halliburton money off the deal but at the expense of many. We will not get to steal their oil or pipe and reroute their oil fields like we want to allies of our all thru Europe. The muslim people are saying hell no to any American wanting that oil.

We are one of the most hated countries in the world now. Not by muslims but by all.

Gas will never be the same on what Bush has done. It will always be high forever now.

What we have done with secret torture prisons is wrong and not how we have always lived and treated people.

Open borders with Mexico is wrong and Bush will not stop the flow of illegals and doesn't want to. He also doesn't want anything done to the ones here now and why is this a prob? One hits you in a car and has no insurance, you pay for it and it was his fault, not only you pay for your car but your insurance goes up. The hospitals must accept them and you are the one paying for his hospitals visit.

Our jobs are being shipped out to China in record numbers and even Mexico. Companies are cutting peoples benefits and people has no say so, you work for your check and go home and shut up or you will get relieved of your duties because an illegal can do the job.

We will not invest in an altertative energy source because big oil controls much in this country and you do not screw with the oil companies.

A vice Pres is not suppose to run a country but Cheney does as Bush is a puppet on a string and he doesn't have sense enough to get in out of the rain.

The Patriot Act.

Global warming is the least of my worries. Oh yes it is there but what Bush has done is much worse. Budget? What budget, spend and spend? Economy isn't good for the working man.

I tell you why we can't just raise hell and kill and attack who we want. Bush doesn't like North korea but do we need to go kill the pres there like we did Sadam? If we do we face China. Do we g kill the pres in Chavez in Ven just because him and Bush hate each other? No, because then we are into it with South America. Do we go kill the pres in Syria that Bush hates? No, because the Muslim people will bomb the American streets that live in America and most Muslim nations will be getting here and bombing the hell out of us making this a holly war.

You will never win a holly war, you will never win a politcal war. You can't make anyone be a certain religion or you can't make anyone be a certain political party. How would you feel if someone said you must be Muslim and a Democrat or you can get the hell out? You wouldn't like it as we have these freedoms but we can't make people live like us or be like us because they don't want to. Iraq was no threat to us but if all those Muslim nations gang up on us then it can be a threat because we started it.

The people that bombed our towers are mostly from Saudia Arabia, so why didn't Bush destroy them? Because they are big buddies in oil.

As a usa citizen we need to be humble and nice to everyone that does good, no matter what religion he is or what party he is, dem or rep but also we should not stand by and keep on taking up for people that do wrong and will continue to do wrong.

45% of all Americans want Bush and his top admin impeached. Not dems but all. Repubs, dems, independents, etc. He has been one of the worst, if not worst pres in history of the usa. Just ask the republicans.

Janett_Reno · 07-08-2007, 07:31 PM

I am also not defending Bill or Hillary or Kennedy or Nixon or Gerald Ford or anyone years ago. It can very well be a mess later on but people are fed up with this administation with the wrongs that have been done and it just keeps happening daily.

They have to realize two wrongs do not make a right and we should admit our mistakes and take our lumps and come back strong. Just like the Mavs did against GS, we did not blame it on the refs, but we learnt a lesson and we will come back strong from that loss next year. We will be better.

Senator Luger is very smart and it is many republican senators and house members very smart. Instead of Bush turning his back on them and not listening to them, i feel it is wrong and he should listen instead of trying to bully his way thru life.

dalmations202 · 07-08-2007, 09:33 PM

Gotta love how the main stream media is brainwashing the sheeple.

dude1394 · 07-08-2007, 10:41 PM

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1.Started an unnecessary war based on faulty intelligence

This is "corrupt" or wrong. He went to the congress, took our countries intelligence and made a decision. Corrupt?

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2. Port authority debacle

also "corrupt". what was his benefit. This looked like racism to me to be honest.

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3. Due to his decision to go to war caused a 400 billion debt

Corrupt?

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4. Poor handling of Katrina

Also corrupt?

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5. Let the bulk of Al Queda slip out of our hands in tora bora

Debateable, but again "corrupt"??

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6. Embroiled us in a quadmire in Iraq

Continue to see a pattern that you don't agree with Iraq, but I don't see any "corruption" here.

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7. Cause members of his own party to distance themselves from him

Your most ridiculous "corrupt" yet.

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8.Bush likes to say that his enormous tax cuts that give hundreds of billions of dollars to America's wealthiest people are job-creation programs. But America has bled millions of jobs since Bush's tax cuts became law, so it's time to try something new.

Really...unemployment is some of the lowest in history? What are you talking about. Are you bitching about outsourcing or what?

Whatever..you sound irrational. American manufactures are NOT competitive with low-wage manufacturers, sorry, just not. Get over it.

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Bush's new tactic? Beg China and Japan to increase the value of their currencies, which will make American manufacturers more competitive. But Bush has nothing to offer in return -- and has done little to make other countries inclined to offer him favors. Instead of making pointless pleas to other countries, maybe Bush should come up with an economic plan that would actually create jobs instead of just putting more money in the pockets of those who need it least.

Again...check the unemployment rate. check the dow, check the pay increases.
Japan...?? You sure about that one?

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China is about to overtake us on exports. We owe China with so much debt will we ever get out from it? Just and wait and see when our country is a slave and us as people are slaves to them in the future. They make it look nice but i know how bad life is in China and you do not open your mouth or you will not live long there. Bush has put us in so far debt it will be hard for this country to ever overcome.

What's our debt ratio per GDP? Pretty much the same as it's been. You've been watching way too much Lou Dobbs.

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We have started a war that most are saying now war crimes should and maybe will come to the top 4 or 5 in charge.

Really..who's that? ICCC??

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Some resigned and got the hell out. We attacked a country that had nothing to do with 9-11. Nothing. The muslims and the extreme religious people was scarred as hell of Sadam and they would not attack him. The Iraqi people could walk down the street without getting bombed daily or Sadam would chop their heads off, of the ones that did. He was mean but atleast it wasn't a terriost country as it is now. That country is lost and gone now forever. Bush & Chenney made quick Halliburton money off the deal but at the expense of many. We will not get to steal their oil or pipe and reroute their oil fields like we want to allies of our all thru Europe. The muslim people are saying hell no to any American wanting that oil.

How did Bush or chenney make their "halliburton" money. Do you have any reality here? I understand you don't think the Iraq Liberation was a noble goal or needed, some do, your governement DID.
"That" country under Saddam was peaches and cream allright.

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We are one of the most hated countries in the world now. Not by muslims but by all.

Yea that's why everyone wants to emigrate here. But if we have to be "hated" for being the grownups out here okay.

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Gas will never be the same on what Bush has done. It will always be high forever now.

Really?? Now why would that be? Just because? Ridiculous.

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What we have done with secret torture prisons is wrong and not how we have always lived and treated people.

Okay...Probably about the only thing that we could agree with IF you define torture for me? Is it waterboarding? If so...I call BS.

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Open borders with Mexico is wrong and Bush will not stop the flow of illegals and doesn't want to. He also doesn't want anything done to the ones here now and why is this a prob? One hits you in a car and has no insurance, you pay for it and it was his fault, not only you pay for your car but your insurance goes up. The hospitals must accept them and you are the one paying for his hospitals visit.

And this is a change of policy or something? You mean since the last Democrat amnesty?

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Our jobs are being shipped out to China in record numbers and even Mexico. Companies are cutting peoples benefits and people has no say so, you work for your check and go home and shut up or you will get relieved of your duties because an illegal can do the job.

Jobs are shipped to china but unemployment is down? It seems anyone with a college degree can get a job. And somehow this is Dubya's policy? Outsourcing has been going on for 20 years.

What do you want to do about it einstein? Tariffs? Protectionism? More unions, less competitiveness. Always funny when liberals start to talke economics because they don't have a clue.

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We will not invest in an altertative energy source because big oil controls much in this country and you do not screw with the oil companies.

Really? Hmm...last I was we were making huge increases in funding for alternative energy. But in general I don't see why guvment needs to do this, but surely you do. You might want to check a fact or two or a thousand because you've been absent with most of them.

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A vice Pres is not suppose to run a country but Cheney does as Bush is a puppet on a string and he doesn't have sense enough to get in out of the rain.

Right...I hear you Kos Kid. Fantasy.

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The Patriot Act.

What about it? Perfectly legal, voted on by YOUR representatives. Funny how in all of this you seem to forget these things. You know that dubya cannot even START a law?? How about that?

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Global warming is the least of my worries. Oh yes it is there but what Bush has done is much worse. Budget? What budget, spend and spend? Economy isn't good for the working man.

BS...What's wrong with the economy? Low unemployment, no inflation, salaries going up, tax receipts going up. Get off the kos koolaid budda'.

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I tell you why we can't just raise hell and kill and attack who we want. Bush doesn't like North korea but do we need to go kill the pres there like we did Sadam? If we do we face China. Do we g kill the pres in Chavez in Ven just because him and Bush hate each other? No, because then we are into it with South America. Do we go kill the pres in Syria that Bush hates? No, because the Muslim people will bomb the American streets that live in America and most Muslim nations will be getting here and bombing the hell out of us making this a holly war.

What ARE you talking about? Take a Xanax? So when have we bombed N.Korea? I guess we could give them some dollars so they can continue to make nukes, but last I heard they were dismantaling them? Read some news willya'.

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You will never win a holly war, you will never win a politcal war. You can't make anyone be a certain religion or you can't make anyone be a certain political party. How would you feel if someone said you must be Muslim and a Democrat or you can get the hell out? You wouldn't like it as we have these freedoms but we can't make people live like us or be like us because they don't want to. Iraq was no threat to us but if all those Muslim nations gang up on us then it can be a threat because we started it.

The ONLY holy war being fought is being fought by Al Queda. This was a war that was rooted in the idea that Sadaam had WMD, was a rougue natione, etc. YOu know ALL of the things that congress voted on in the AUMF. Probably should actually read it sometime, maybe you'd get something right.

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The people that bombed our towers are mostly from Saudia Arabia, so why didn't Bush destroy them? Because they are big buddies in oil.

Because he's nothing close to the fantasy that you and the koskids say he is. He's not "bushitler", etc. He went after the Taliban and then determined that Hussein was a rogue leader who could not be allowed to have Nukes and WMD.

We'll see what happens once the dems allow Iran to get nukes, what it will be like.

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As a usa citizen we need to be humble and nice to everyone that does good, no matter what religion he is or what party he is, dem or rep but also we should not stand by and keep on taking up for people that do wrong and will continue to do wrong.

Huh?? Kumbaya.

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45% of all Americans want Bush and his top admin impeached. Not dems but all. Repubs, dems, independents, etc. He has been one of the worst, if not worst pres in history of the usa. Just ask the republicans.

Well that doesn't say much for the american people imo.

It was a nice rant you had there, hope you enjoyed it. Of course you didn't provide one example of dubya being "corrupt" but I didn't expect you too. But it was a good rant, probably gathered it up from Momma Sheehan and the kos kids for a few years now.

They would probably like it over there, but to be honest, it sounded like a typical child ranting about something they don't understand and have been listening to their peer group.

Devoid of facts and full of fury.

dude1394 · 07-08-2007, 10:43 PM

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Gotta love how the main stream media is brainwashing the sheeple.

It's pretty amazing to me. Someone that seems relatively intelligent can spout such gibberish and think it's rational.

But if you post on kos kids long enough it starts to effect your sense of reality.

Janett_Reno · 07-08-2007, 10:51 PM

The facts are George Bush is hated by the majority of republicans, democrats and independents. The facts are he will go down as one of the worst boneheaded and stupidest presidents ever, the facts are he has cost the republican party in the next pres election as a dog could run and win, as long as his name does not have republican beside it.

You need to keep getting your facts from Bill OReilly and Ann Coulter. You sound like a bonehead, and one that sucks his thumb for information as you get off recording Ann Coulter where you can watch reruns of her spew off at the mouth. Keep posting the great advances Bush is making and all the wonderful things he is doing. That is like telling me Pavel will be a superstar someday. I will believe it when i see it.

Janett_Reno · 07-08-2007, 11:04 PM

Guess why the congress is dem now? Was it because of the love for dems? No, most can't stand dems, it was because a vote against George W Bush. Why did the Sen turn dem when it was almost impossile for the dems to regain control of the sen? Was it because the dems was great and the repubs terrible? The dems had o make almost a clean sweep and even the next repub pres was knocked out because he backed Bush and he was a shoe in for a landslide.

His name was George Allen, the next pres to be of the usa and Bush cost him his political career. Again in the Sen it was a vote against Bush by the American people that made the Sen dem. It wasn't bec ause the repubs were that bad and the dems was that great but it was because the American people can't stand Bush.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

mkat · 07-08-2007, 11:16 PM

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Washington is kind of in turmoil. Bush has the lowest ratings ever. Congress, traditionally graded lower, isn't doing too hot.

The system is broken.

the system has always been broken. there is no system that isn't broken. the people of the US elected these folks..if anyone is broken, it's the people.

mkat · 07-08-2007, 11:17 PM

as for gas...due to inflation....you're getting about the same amount of gas per $ as people were back in the 40s.

Janett_Reno · 07-08-2007, 11:40 PM

I will finish with this. You wanted reaction and attention with this thread. Sometimes you want it only your way or the others can take the highway. You was responsible for a few in here and making it hard on them, trying to make them agree with all you say, or get them kicked out and is that fair(not this thread but basketball)? We should all be nice and debate and get along. That's what makes our country the best country on the face of the earth because we talk, debate and we also listen. How can we learn if we do not listen to each other. Many people could start posting one way, for the dems, for the repubs, for the independents and even for what denomination of what religion they are and saying if you are not just like them, then you are wrong.

This is not how we made a great United States of America. So i won't argue what religion is best, what politcal party is best but you have tried to muffle some in here with only your views and run roughshot over them. I like your views on basketball as well as all in here. We all learn from each other. I am not one for name calling if we disagree. The "mods" have to settle that if and when that happens.

I am back to basketball and good luck to your political career if you choose to go down that road.

Here are some good reads.

http://www.republicansagainstbush.info/

http://www.republicansagainstbush.info/Impeach.html

Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, introduced a resolution in April calling for Cheney to be impeached. It has nine co-sponsors but is not expected to advance.

The American Research Group survey also showed 64 percent of Americans disapprove of Bush's decision to commute the 30-month prison sentence of former Cheney aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby in the Valerie Plame case.

July 6, 2007

A new poll found nearly half of the American public favors impeaching President Bush.

The private American Research Group survey indicated 45 percent want the president impeached while 54 percent want the House to launch impeachment proceedings against Vice President Dick Cheney.

Usually Lurkin · 07-09-2007, 06:10 AM

Janett, whoever is describing to you how republicans view Bush is lying to you. Very few hate him, and even fewer want to impeach him.

That site, "republicansagainstbush" is run by the same Wettig guy who was involved in "republicansforkerry04.org." The republican party is very proud to include many viewpoints, but anyone pimping for Kerry in 04 has to stretch Truth to call themselves republican. Wettig's from Arizona, and maybe he's had some kind of Bush derangement since his main man McCain was bested in the primaries some years ago. It's just as likely that he's a fake "republican" though.

Did you really think this is good argument for impeachment (or even "good reading" as you put it)

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Everyone already knows that Cheney is guilty of every impeachable offense imaginable. Our only hurdle is to get people to actually speak out, to do their duty, to save our democracy from its greatest threat ever!
Once we have Gonzales and Cheney out of Power, the Democrat Congress should be Bold enough to remove the iPresident* and make Nancy Pelosi the first Female President of these United States of America!

I don't think the man is rational.

Oh, and Democrats have control of congress because republicans were sick of the loss of conservatism among their congressional representatives. These low poll numbers now reflect the inability of the Democrat Congress to live up to the standards they set for themselves, and that everyone accepted in the election.

dude1394 · 07-14-2007, 12:10 AM

Congress continues to get lower marks than Dubya. Way too busy investigating.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nation...s_AP_Poll.html

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AP Poll: Public gives Congress low marks

By DARLENE SUPERVILLE
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER

WASHINGTON -- In the eyes of the public, Congress is doing even worse than the president.

Public satisfaction with the job lawmakers are doing has fallen 11 points since May, to 24 percent, according to an Associated Press-Ipsos poll. That's lower than for President Bush, who hasn't fared well lately, either.

Bush has been taking heat over the Iraq war, his decision to spare a former top vice presidential aide from going to prison and his desire for an overhaul of immigration laws that critics said would give a free pass to illegal immigrants. His job approval rating in the AP-Ipsos survey remained virtually unchanged at 33 percent.

The 24 percent approval rating for Congress matched its previous low, which came in June 2006, five months before Democrats won control of the House and Senate due to public discontent with the job Republicans were doing.

Just two months ago, 35 percent of the public approved of Congress' work.

Poll respondents from both political parties say they're tired of the fighting between Congress and the White House, and want the two branches of government to work together on such issues as education, health care and the Iraq war.

"They don't approve of anything he does," Theresa Holsten, 55, a Republican and unemployed resident of Lawton, Okla., said of Congress. "He can't do anything right, according to what some people say. It irritates the living daylights out of me."

Tammy Lambirth, 42, a data researcher from San Antonio, disapproves of "all the fighting that they do all the time."

The latest tussle involves Bush's refusal to hand over documents and let former White House aides answer questions from the Democratic-controlled Congress about the firing of U.S. attorneys. The dispute could end up in federal court.

"The Republicans are just stonewalling everything, and the Democrats are just not stepping up and making them do what they need to do, especially about Iraq," said Lambirth, a Democrat. "They need to make our troops get out of Iraq."

While the public's approval of Congress has dropped 11 points since May, the percentage of Democrats who are turning up their noses at Congress - like Lambirth - nearly doubled. Among Republicans, though, not so much.

Approval among Democrats fell 21 points, from 48 percent in May to 27 percent.

It remained low among Republicans, at 20 percent, and has not changed significantly in the past two months.

Democrats won control of Congress on the strength of their promises to end the Iraq war, but so far have failed to do it. Bush vetoed one spending bill that included a deadline for ending the war, and Democrats don't have the votes to override him.

An increase in the federal minimum wage became law, but much of the Democratic agenda has cleared the House only to become bottled up in the Senate, where the party has a much narrower working majority.

Democrats need to be mindful of the public's satisfaction with Congress' productivity, especially as the party campaigns to win back the White House in elections next year, said political science professor Kenneth Sherrill.

"If you manage to persuade a very large number of voters, including an increasing percentage of people who associate with your own party that you're not capable of governing, you're in real trouble," said Sherrill, who teaches at Hunter College in New York City. "That is not a good message to send."

purplefrog · 07-24-2007, 03:05 PM

Dems may be favored but the fact is: Everyone Sucks! The continued lack of confidence in our leaders is startling and a bit scary imo.
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Poll Finds Democrats Favored on War
By Jon Cohen and Dan Balz
The Washington Post
Tuesday 24 July 2007

Most Americans see President Bush as intransigent on Iraq and prefer that the Democratic-controlled Congress make decisions about a possible withdrawal of U.S. forces, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.

As the president and Congress spar over war policy, both receive negative marks from the public for their handling of the situation in Iraq. But by a large margin, Americans trust Democrats rather than the president to find a solution to a conflict that remains enormously unpopular. And more than six in 10 in the new poll said Congress should have the final say on when to bring the troops home.

The president has steadfastly asserted his power as commander in chief to make decisions about the war, but his posture is now viewed by majorities of Democrats, independents and even Republicans as too inflexible. Asked whether Bush is willing enough to change policies on Iraq, nearly eight in 10 Americans said no.

Since December, the percentage seeing Bush as too rigid has increased 12 points, with the most significant change among Republicans. Just after the 2006 midterm elections and the release of the 79-point plan from the bipartisan Iraq Study Group, 55 percent of Republicans thought Bush was willing enough to change course in Iraq; in this poll, 55 percent of Republicans said he is not.

Bush's overall approval rating equals its all-time low in Post-ABC News polls at 33 percent, with 65 percent disapproving. Fifty-two percent said they "strongly" disapprove of his job performance, the highest figure of his presidency and more than three times the 16 percent who strongly approve.

Three-quarters of Republicans approve of the way he is handling his job,but just one in 10 Democrats and three in 10 independents give him positive marks.

The war has been the single biggest drag on the president's approval ratings.

Thirty-one percent give him positive marks on handling the situation in Iraq, which is near his career low on the issue. The last time a majority approved of the president's handling of the war was in January 2004.

Even among those Americans who said they had served or had a close friend or relative who served in Iraq, 38 percent approve of Bush's handling of the conflict.

At the same time, Congress fares little better with the public on the war. Just 35 percent said they approve of the way congressional Democrats are handling the situation in Iraq, with 63 percent disapproving. Two-thirds of independents give the Democrats negative marks on the war.

The latest poll was conducted July 18 to 21 among a random sample of 1,125 adults, just after Senate Democrats failed to pass legislation that would set a timetable for the start of troop withdrawals from the war zone. The results have a three-percentage-point margin of sampling error.

Overall approval of Congress stands at 37 percent in the new poll, with the 60 percent disapproval rating equal to public dissatisfaction with the Republican-controlled Congress late last year. Congress's approval rating has declined over the past three months because self-identified Democrats have soured in their assessment.

Congressional Democrats still receive higher marks than their Republican counterparts for their performance, but independents give both parties equally negative reviews.

But when it comes to judging the president versus congressional Democrats on the issue of Iraq, the public stands with Congress. Fifty-five percent said they trust congressional Democrats on the war, compared with 32 percent who said they trust Bush. (Eleven percent of all respondents and 17 percent of independents said they trust "neither.") And by 2 to 1, Americans said Congress, rather than the president, should make the final decision about when to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq. Nearly three in 10 Republicans side with Congress over the president on this question.

Many would like Congress to assert itself on Iraq, and about half of poll respondents said congressional Democrats have done "too little" to get Bush to change his war policy. Democrats are especially eager for more action from their party's lawmakers: 61 percent of Democrats and 69 percent of liberal Democrats said not enough has been done to prod Bush on the issue.

The central challenge for legislators from both parties is that the deep schism in Congress over Iraq war policy mirrors a wide partisan divide on many questions about the situation there.

Overall attitudes about the conflict continue to be decidedly negative, with more than six in 10 saying that given the costs, the war was not worth fighting. Most Democrats and independents in the poll said the war was not worth fighting, but most Republicans continue to say it has been worth the costs.

And the broad disagreements between partisans are not isolated to previous decisions.

A narrow majority - 55 percent - support legislation that would set a deadline of next spring for the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq, but while that measure is backed by 72 percent of Democrats and six in 10 independents, only a quarter of Republicans are on board.

A Senate effort to append such a timeline to a defense authorization bill failed to get the requisite 60 votes in the Senate; it was defeated 52 to 47.

There is also no agreement across party lines on the timing of U.S.troop withdrawals. About six in 10 said forces should be withdrawn to avoid further casualties, even if civil order is not restored, and 56 percent want to decrease the forces in Iraq. Both figures are at new highs, but few Republicans agree with either position.

Even among Democrats, there is no consensus about the timing of any troop withdrawal. While three-quarters want to decrease the number of troops in Iraq, only a third advocate a complete, immediate withdrawal. There is even less support for that option among independents (15 percent) and Republicans (6 percent).

There is, however, more universal, bipartisan backing for several other proposals that have been floated, including changing the strategic mission from direct combat to training and support, instituting new rules on troop rest time, and reducing aid to the Iraqi government if it fails to meet certain benchmarks. Majorities across party lines support each of these potential policy shifts.

Few are confident that the Iraqi government has the ability to meet its commitments to restore civil order. But again partisan views diverge: 55 percent of Republicans are at least somewhat confident that the Iraqis will meet their benchmarks, an outlook shared by about three in 10 Democrats and independents.

And as for the new U.S. efforts to restore security in Iraq, most in the poll said the "surge" has not made much difference, and nearly two-thirds said that the additional troops will not improve the situation over the next few months.

This broad pessimism provides an early read that the public may not be as willing as some in Congress to suspend judgment about the strategy until Gen. David H. Petraeus, the commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, delivers his much-anticipated assessment in mid-September.