What are your thoughts on Illegal Immigration?

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by MavsFTR

So are you against all immigration or illegal immigration?

I am against illegal immigration, period. Saying we cannot stop it is a cop out and just political posturing, we can and should. I would like to limit unskilled immigration for a while as well. I see pretty bad signs in the country of assimilation not occurring. We've got, what 10-20 million illegals..they can stay as far as I'm concerned as long as the border is secured, if not, not. I would probably not allow them to ever vote however.

I'm not sold on h1b being increased with an unemployment rate as high as it has been, I've seen way too many high tech companies cherry pick lower wage employees this way.

I'm not even sure we need immigration "reform" at all. Just need the federal guvment to do their job and stop illegals from coming in.

[dirt_dobber]

Originally Posted by dude1394

I am against illegal immigration, period. Saying we cannot stop it is a cop out and just political posturing, we can and should. I would like to limit unskilled immigration for a while as well. I see pretty bad signs in the country of assimilation not occurring. We've got, what 10-20 million illegals..they can stay as far as I'm concerned as long as the border is secured, if not, not. I would probably not allow them to ever vote however.

I'm not sold on h1b being increased with an unemployment rate as high as it has been, I've seen way too many high tech companies cherry pick lower wage employees this way.

I'm not even sure we need immigration "reform" at all. Just need the federal guvment to do their job and stop illegals from coming in.

well stated. And I agree.

You are spot on with "assimilation not occurring". Unchecked immagration has ruined France and led to sharia law being implemented in England.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

well stated. And I agree.

You are spot on with "assimilation not occurring". Unchecked immagration has ruined France and led to sharia law being implemented in England.

This is a big reason I'm not interested in so-called reform. At the end of the day everyone of those reforms increases immigration.

I just think we are desperate for a timeout. We've had them before and they are a useful way to force assimilation.

Edit: unless there is rock solid border protection. The current border protection that is being touted in the immigration reform bill is "more resources". I've been down this route before, more resources that does not translate into a wall that cannot be wink,wink crossed is of no interest to me. I don't trust dems or rep on that score, they don't have the cajones.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by dude1394

This is a big reason I'm not interested in so-called reform. At the end of the day everyone of those reforms increases immigration.

I just think we are desperate for a timeout. We've had them before and they are a useful way to force assimilation.

Edit: unless there is rock solid border protection. The current border protection that is being touted in the immigration reform bill is "more resources". I've been down this route before, more resources that does not translate into a wall that cannot be wink,wink crossed is of no interest to me. I don't trust dems or rep on that score, they don't have the cajones.

Does your perspective advocate deporting persons who were brought into the country when they were 2 years old by their parents, without documentation, and who grew up in the United States, were educated in U.S. schools, who speak English as a primary language, who are rooted in American culture, and have no ties to their country of origin, some of whom are college graduates, academic high achievers, law school graduates, medical school students......

do you demand that people who fit these profiles be denied any chance at citizenship ever, be denied the right to vote ever, and be deported forthwith?

What about soldiers who risked their lives serving their country? What about parents who LOST children who were serving their country? Not enough sacrifice?

It's easy to talk all big and blustery in the abstract, but when you start looking at specific cases, you'll never get and sustain political support zero-tolerance deportations. You just end up sounding like a crackpot. That's why your perspective will lose this issue.

You think citizenship is too easy to attain? I think it's too dificult to lose. I'd kinda like to see some discussion about stripping under-educated, big-talkin' fascists of their right to vote, maybe talk about deporting them to a foreign hot-spot to "re-earn" their citizenship, and understand what it's like to be somewhere with no legal protection, and no legal standing.

Requirement #1 for re-earning citizenship would be to demonstrate empathy for the immigrant.

Requirement #2 would be to make it through law school as an undocumented student, studying in a second language. If you have that kind of resourcefulness, you deserve to vote.

Requirement #3 would be to demonstrate language proficiency in a second language. 'Cajones'....I don't think that word means what you think it means. If you're gonna use the language, learn the language. That's right....LEARN the language. AsÃ* que, hasta la vista, pinche pendejón.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Does your perspective advocate deporting persons who were brought into the country when they were 2 years old by their parents, without documentation, and who grew up in the United States, were educated in U.S. schools, who speak English as a primary language, who are rooted in American culture, and have no ties to their country of origin, some of whom are college graduates, academic high achievers, law school graduates, medical school students......

Sure I can make an exception for that, I've already said I would make an exception for 20 million illegals right now. How many more do I need to get to?

do you demand that people who fit these profiles be denied any chance at citizenship ever, be denied the right to vote ever, and be deported forthwith?

Illegal aliens should never be allowed to vote, just shouldn't. If they are born in this country they are citizens and they get to vote.

What about soldiers who risked their lives serving their country? What about parents who LOST children who were serving their country? Not enough sacrifice?

What about them? How many are we talking about, sure as shite isn't 20 million.

It's easy to talk all big and blustery in the abstract, but when you start looking at specific cases, you'll never get and sustain political support zero-tolerance deportations. You just end up sounding like a crackpot. That's why your perspective will lose this issue.

No I disagree. All of the issues you speak of were because of the original illegal alien coming into this country in the first place. AGAIN... I've already agreed to the 20million illegals, who I do not believe should vote IF (BIG IF) that democrats do not want to address honestly.. .you STOP ILLEGAL ALIENS from coming into the country.

Recent kid immigrants is an example of why I don't want a "soft" wall, because some yahoo will decide to ignore it.

You think citizenship is too easy to attain? I think it's too dificult to lose. I'd kinda like to see some discussion about stripping under-educated, big-talkin' fascists of their right to vote, maybe talk about deporting them to a foreign hot-spot to "re-earn" their citizenship, and understand what it's like to be somewhere with no legal protection, and no legal standing.

Now you are just a hater. Where am I being a "fascist". I'm not stripping anyone of their right to vote, just not giving it to ILLEGAL ALIENS.

Requirement #1 for re-earning citizenship would be to demonstrate empathy for the immigrant.

Which I do knucklehead, just don't like illegal aliens.

Requirement #2 would be to make it through law school as an undocumented student, studying in a second language. If you have that kind of resourcefulness, you deserve to vote.

Why...just because it's hard doesn't mean you get to go to any freakin country you want to. Mexico won't allow me to become a citizen I expect.

Requirement #3 would be to demonstrate language proficiency in a second language. 'Cajones'....I don't think that word means what you think it means. If you're gonna use the language, learn the language. That's right....LEARN the language. AsÃ* que, hasta la vista, pinche pendejón.

Why again, everyone in the world is trying to learn english, why the heck should I need anything else. If I want to fine.

All of this crybaby crap... Sure it's tough to go to another country and make good, but so what? It's tough to make good everywhere. Again since when does anyone have the RIGHT to become a citizen wherever they want to. Especially without following their immigration laws.

Bullcrap.

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Why again, everyone in the world is trying to learn english, why the heck should I need anything else. If I want to fine.

What you just wrote is barely literate English. In fact, it isn't literate.

But if you learned a second language, then you could sound stupid in TWO languages!

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

What you just wrote is barely literate English. In fact, it isn't literate.

But if you learned a second language, then you could sound stupid in TWO languages!

Nice intelligent contribution to the discussion, not. You've provided nothing to this conversation but insults and a bunch of whiney, woe is me, my life is tough, you should open up your borders because I'm special.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Does your perspective advocate deporting persons who were brought into the country when they were 2 years old by their parents, without documentation, and who grew up in the United States, were educated in U.S. schools, who speak English as a primary language, who are rooted in American culture, and have no ties to their country of origin, some of whom are college graduates, academic high achievers, law school graduates, medical school students......

do you demand that people who fit these profiles be denied any chance at citizenship ever, be denied the right to vote ever, and be deported forthwith?

What about soldiers who risked their lives serving their country? What about parents who LOST children who were serving their country? Not enough sacrifice?

It's easy to talk all big and blustery in the abstract, but when you start looking at specific cases, you'll never get and sustain political support zero-tolerance deportations. You just end up sounding like a crackpot. That's why your perspective will lose this issue.

You think citizenship is too easy to attain? I think it's too dificult to lose. I'd kinda like to see some discussion about stripping under-educated, big-talkin' fascists of their right to vote, maybe talk about deporting them to a foreign hot-spot to "re-earn" their citizenship, and understand what it's like to be somewhere with no legal protection, and no legal standing.

Requirement #1 for re-earning citizenship would be to demonstrate empathy for the immigrant.

Requirement #2 would be to make it through law school as an undocumented student, studying in a second language. If you have that kind of resourcefulness, you deserve to vote.

Requirement #3 would be to demonstrate language proficiency in a second language. 'Cajones'....I don't think that word means what you think it means. If you're gonna use the language, learn the language. That's right....LEARN the language. AsÃ* que, hasta la vista, pinche pendejón.

Wow. This is a textbook example of getting UNDRESSED. I see your cojones, dude. It's not appealing.

In fact, that's more than getting undressed. That is getting eviscerated.

One slight concern, dude. Are you keeping yourself mentally in shape? I've noticed that several of your posts lately have more or less abandoned any care for syntax. That can be a sign to pay attention to.

[DirkFTW]

I hope this is overblown, but apparently "terrorism-linked" individuals were caught crossing the US-Mexican border.

Really hope it's nothing or they caught them all.