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BPo001 · 11-19-2016, 07:55 PM

I keep reading that this upcoming draft is full of potential superstars. I don't watch of ton of college ball until March, so who are the players to watch? With Dallas looking like it will have a high pick I'd like to have a few names to keep an eye on.

Underdog · 11-19-2016, 07:59 PM

Dennis Smith... NBA Comparison: Chris Paul

I'm gonna keep saying his name until he ends up on our roster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW1CVy7Un1Y

Bryan_Wilson · 11-19-2016, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Dennis Smith... NBA Comparison: Chris Paul

I'm gonna keep saying his name until he ends up on our roster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW1CVy7Un1Y

I haven't decided who my favorite is. I like basically all the pg's and combo guards at the top for different reasons.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-19-2016, 08:54 PM

Some recent stuff early in college season-

Smith(pg)-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGsIXO2pub8
Fultz(pg)-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hjkkrwoias&t=5s
Ball(pg)-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-5OMRiG9vc
Monk(combo)-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erErZ7a2VPY
Fox(pg)-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zALElNSt5fs

Draft is so loaded... All of those guys could be in top 10, really no reason we wouldn't get one of them. There is also a Senior pg who could be available top of the 2nd round if we didn't go pg in the first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C1VFnjtlWw

rimrocker · 11-19-2016, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Dennis Smith... NBA Comparison: Chris Paul

I'm gonna keep saying his name until he ends up on our roster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW1CVy7Un1Y

He plays much bigger than 6'2"....or those are 9ft rims on that vid

Bryan_Wilson · 11-19-2016, 10:09 PM

Fultz has looked really good in first 2 games. I think he's ahead for me personally. But Smith and Ball are not far behind, I like both of them as well. The one thing I worry about with Smith is injuries. He alrdy had a torn ACL in high school from driving to the rim. He's looks like he's totally healed but I really don't want to miss on a top 5 pick(if we had it.) So I'll just say I'm cautious about it, especially if he draws Rose comparisons.

tap2390 · 11-20-2016, 11:41 AM

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Fultz has looked really good in first 2 games. I think he's ahead for me personally. But Smith and Ball are not far behind, I like both of them as well. The one thing I worry about with Smith is injuries. He alrdy had a torn ACL in high school from driving to the rim. He's looks like he's totally healed but I really don't want to miss on a top 5 pick(if we had it.) So I'll just say I'm cautious about it, especially if he draws Rose comparisons.

Not a huge fan of Ball... his shot is just plain ugly meaning he won't be able to penetrate the way he does in college at the NBA level.

Some way too early player comparisons:

Lonzo Ball - Michael Carter Williams
Dennis Smith - Derrick Rose
Markelle Fultz - D'Angelo Russell
Josh Jackson - Andrew Wiggins
Harry Giles - Myles Turner
De'Aaron Fox - Avery Bradley
Malik Monk - Monta Ellis

BigDog63 · 11-30-2016, 11:39 AM

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Fultz has looked really good in first 2 games. I think he's ahead for me personally. But Smith and Ball are not far behind, I like both of them as well. The one thing I worry about with Smith is injuries. He alrdy had a torn ACL in high school from driving to the rim. He's looks like he's totally healed but I really don't want to miss on a top 5 pick(if we had it.) So I'll just say I'm cautious about it, especially if he draws Rose comparisons.

Knowing how teams, and the Mavs, think, I suspect a Dirk look alike is going to get preference. Reminds me of several centers in the league who rose in perception just because they were from Nigeria....that didn't mean they were anything like Olajuwon. Some players there are only one of...trying to replace Dirk with another Dirk just isn't going to happen. There is only one Dirk. If Fultz brings a skillset, on his own, that makes him the best choice...great! But that he looks like Dirk shouldn't even enter into the discussion.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-30-2016, 08:17 PM

http://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=2...904705993485-4
https://twitter.com/Ben_Baby/status/...689984/photo/1

FULTZ SPEED AHEAD!

Underdog · 06-22-2017, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Dennis Smith... NBA Comparison: Chris Paul

I'm gonna keep saying his name until he ends up on our roster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW1CVy7Un1Y

Second post in this thread -- 11/19/16

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Dtownsfinest · 06-22-2017, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Second post in this thread -- 11/19/16

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

Hmmm....in what way though because Chris Paul plays low to the ground and doesn't ever really leave his feet. DS vertical is crazy......Sort of Steve Francis and Baron Davis like......

FreshJive · 06-22-2017, 09:30 PM

Dsj is on with Norm

sefant77 · 06-29-2017, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Dennis Smith... NBA Comparison: Chris Paul

I'm gonna keep saying his name until he ends up on our roster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW1CVy7Un1Y

2nd of 1992 postings in this thread

Underdog · 06-29-2017, 09:02 PM

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2nd of 1992 postings in this thread

All credit goes to Woodslanger -- his high school highlights sold me.

rimrocker · 11-19-2016, 09:47 PM

Josh Jackson has the tools to eventually be a star but it might take some time. Probably has more upside than the PGs but I agree with UD that Dennis Smith is the guy we should take if available. I'm hearing Rose comparisons as well as CP3.
Jackson is compared to Wiggins and McGrady.

If we happen to slide down to mid-lottery I'd be tempted to take OG Anunoby. Extremely gifted 6'8" SF from Indiana who could be a sleeper in the draft.

tap2390 · 11-19-2016, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

Josh Jackson has the tools to eventually be a star but it might take some time. Probably has more upside than the PGs but I agree with UD that Dennis Smith is the guy we should take if available. I'm hearing Rose comparisons as well as CP3.
Jackson is compared to Wiggins and McGrady.

We should also consider Fultz. Smith has higher upside, but Fultz is more skilled (and has been absolutely scorching hot to start the season). I don't think we can go wrong.

rimrocker · 11-19-2016, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

We should also consider Fultz. Smith has higher upside, but Fultz is more skilled (and has been absolutely scorching hot to start the season). I don't think we can go wrong.

I don't think so either but Smith has playmaking and scoring skills of CP3 with the athleticism and size of Rose.

Thebo · 11-20-2016, 01:52 AM

Yeah, torn ACL is not that welcoming and you have to be wary of those things.

I would just like to mention also Lauri Markkanen. This should be his first season in USA.
https://youtu.be/1nXFSLcgZ8M?t=2140

Just picked that spot in the video to show driving capabilities. In that game he has many times where he is open for three and nobody passes. Guy reminds quite a bit Dirk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZLEd1HPuSQ

Now, I do not think he will go that high. Lottery at best, maybe late first round. That is why I wish Mavs would somehow get another first round pick... Perhaps for Bogut.

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/lauri-markkanen

Melonhead · 11-20-2016, 12:08 PM

I only looked at Fultz, Smith, ball so far. My money is on Fultz. Smith looked great if he's auditioning for the and1 tour. Id have to see college tape to get an accurate assessment. Fultz shot looks way better and had a really nice all around game.

And ball, that guys highlights are fun to watch, great vision for a pg, but I wonder about his jumpshot. But hes fast and can get in the lane.

EDIT: Dennis Smith is definitely the most athletic out of the three though

tap2390 · 11-21-2016, 02:52 PM

Fultz highlights.... kid has an advanced offensive game... he's my #1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hjkkrwoias

Edit #1: If you don't have time to watch the whole video fast forward to minute 4 and watch him spin into an up and under and finish. He seriously has game.

Edit #2: I seriously have a mancrush on this kid. I know people think Smith is more athletic but Fultz has something that is so hard to find -- the ability to control his athleticism and vary speeds. Check out dunk at 4:25.

Edit #3: Last one I promise. As long as we're tanking let's make sure we get that #1 pick and take this kid. He's a franchise player.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-21-2016, 09:38 PM

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Fultz highlights.... kid has an advanced offensive game... he's my #1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hjkkrwoias

Edit #1: If you don't have time to watch the whole video fast forward to minute 4 and watch him spin into an up and under and finish. He seriously has game.

Edit #2: I seriously have a mancrush on this kid. I know people think Smith is more athletic but Fultz has something that is so hard to find -- the ability to control his athleticism and vary speeds. Check out dunk at 4:25.

Edit #3: Last one I promise. As long as we're tanking let's make sure we get that #1 pick and take this kid. He's a franchise player.

Yeah Fultz is my favorite. I think his floor is higher than the others. It's possible though that Smith and Ball if they learn to shoot have higher ceilings though. That's why I won't be too disappointed if we get any of them at this point. It's still early, but if Fultz keeps playing the way he has been in these first 3 games he's my favorite.

Underdog · 11-21-2016, 10:09 PM

I'm a big fan of Fultz too... Really, either Dennis Smith or Markelle Fultz are are lightyears better than what we're rolling with right now -- no reason we can't bag a franchise PG with a lotto pick this year. I like a lot of the forwards out there too, but we have less need with Barnes on the roster.

Underdog · 11-21-2016, 10:23 PM

What do you guys think of Lonzo Ball? Am I the only one who sees a bit of Ricky Rubio in him? Excellent passer, solid defender, horrid shooter... Could work in the right lineup, but you really need to surround him with scorers. Not sure if I'd take him with a lotto pick, but I'd consider him in the next tier if that's where we landed.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-21-2016, 10:26 PM

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What do you guys think of Lonzo Ball? Am I the only one who sees a bit of Ricky Rubio in him? Excellent passer, solid defender, horrid shooter... Could work in the right lineup, but you really need to surround him with scorers. Not sure if I'd take him with a lotto pick, but I'd consider him in the next tier if that's where we landed.

I think he's got the ugliest jump shot in recent memory. But I'd be fine with him if Fultz and Smith were gone. But I also view jumpshot as something that's correctable.

Melonhead · 11-22-2016, 11:38 AM

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I think he's got the ugliest jump shot in recent memory. But I'd be fine with him if Fultz and Smith were gone. But I also view jumpshot as something that's correctable.

His would require a complete overhaul. It can be corrected but itd take years.

Bryan_Wilson · 11-22-2016, 01:18 PM

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His would require a complete overhaul. It can be corrected but itd take years.

Yeah it would take time, and he could never get better tbh, but he could develop other areas in the meantime(like mid range or post game), he has value outside of being a scorer so I would be fine if we got him if others were gone is all I am saying right now. He's not a top 5 pick to me, if we were in the top 5 I'd go elsewhere.

Underdog · 11-21-2016, 10:27 PM

I'd also consider De'Aaron Fox in that second tier for pretty much the same reasons as Ball (although I find it hilarious that he's being compared to Dennis Schroeder when we could have had Schroeder...)

tap2390 · 11-22-2016, 08:07 AM

Giles or Jackson is probably my #2 over Smith. The problem with Smith is his reliance on athleticism and lack of size. I could see him topping out as a better finishing Darren Collison. (Btw I fully admit I said in another thread Dennis Smith was the right guy to pair with Barnes).

tap2390 · 11-22-2016, 11:13 AM

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sport...ties/94167684/

“Fultz is as close of a guy that I’ve seen to James,” said Taylor, a former ASU assistant, who coached James Harden on Herb Sendek’s staff in Tempe. “He’s big, he’s strong, he’s physical. He’s athletic as hell. But he’s just like James in terms of his pace. He never hurries, never looks like he’s going hard, but he’s always in attack mode. Make any mistake and he’ll make you pay.”

Bryan_Wilson · 11-22-2016, 11:21 AM

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http://www.azcentral.com/story/sport...ties/94167684/

“Fultz is as close of a guy that I’ve seen to James,” said Taylor, a former ASU assistant, who coached James Harden on Herb Sendek’s staff in Tempe. “He’s big, he’s strong, he’s physical. He’s athletic as hell. But he’s just like James in terms of his pace. He never hurries, never looks like he’s going hard, but he’s always in attack mode. Make any mistake and he’ll make you pay.”

If he wants to grow homeless style beard or play that disgusting style Harden wants to play by baiting refs for calls and playing no defense then I'm out on Fultz. That's not what this guy ment obviously with the comparison but I just want to be clear.... talk about a buzz kill mentioning that name of all names.

tap2390 · 11-22-2016, 02:48 PM

Not going to lie BDub, I love Harden's game and wish he was here. I definitely agree with you that Ball is in the second tier of players. I can't think of an elite passing point who succeeds without a jumper. Pre-injury Shaun Livingston?

Bryan_Wilson · 11-22-2016, 03:07 PM

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Not going to lie BDub, I love Harden's game and wish he was here.

rimrocker · 11-23-2016, 06:46 AM

I'd really like to see the Mavs start moving guys for as many draft picks as possible. Stock piling 2nd round picks (or late first rounders) could come in handy on draft day if we want to move up on the board.

The more I read and hear about Fultz the more I'm impressed and think he'd be great in Rick's system.

I thought this was an interesting place for a quick look at some of these guys
http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2017-nba-mock-draft.html

BPo001 · 11-23-2016, 09:05 AM

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I'd really like to see the Mavs start moving guys for as many draft picks as possible. Stock piling 2nd round picks (or late first rounders) could come in handy on draft day if we want to move up on the board.

The more I read and hear about Fultz the more I'm impressed and think he'd be great in Rick's system.

I thought this was an interesting place for a quick look at some of these guys
http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2017-nba-mock-draft.html

If we don't trade Bogut for a pick Donnie has failed as a GM. If I was him I'd be on the phone with Danny Ainge asking about one of their 1st round picks.

rimrocker · 11-23-2016, 09:55 AM

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If we don't trade Bogut for a pick Donnie has failed as a GM. If I was him I'd be on the phone with Danny Ainge asking about one of their 1st round picks.

I may be reaching here but I could see some contenders having interest in Mejri, JJ and DWill (if healthy).
We should be getting as many picks as possible over the next few months even if we have to take on a few garbage contracts. Its not like we're going to be signing any big FAs next off-season.

sefant77 · 11-23-2016, 11:43 AM

Firstrounder increased in value over the years. No one is giving up a 1st for a 4 months rental of Bogut...

Bryan_Wilson · 11-23-2016, 12:37 PM

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Firstrounder increased in value over the years. No one is giving up a 1st for a 4 months rental of Bogut...

Yeah I don't see how Bogut has shown anything remotely close to being worth a 1st. The only way we get a 1 is if we took a bad contact back I think. Maybe we could package him and get a heavily protected future first but by himself the only way I think would be to take back a bad contract. Which I'm not opposed to I might add.

BPo001 · 11-23-2016, 12:39 PM

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Firstrounder increased in value over the years. No one is giving up a 1st for a 4 months rental of Bogut...

They might if they think a defensive minded big is the key piece to making a long playoff run. I'm not asking for the Nets 1st rounder, but asking for their or Memphis' would be something to consider. I'm sure they'd have to toss in something to make salaries match.

DevinHarriswillstart · 11-23-2016, 01:43 PM

Mavs need to go high risk, high reward no matter what position they pick. Getting a player that is going to contribute right away versus raw potential would be a big mistake.

That's why if Smith is on the board, then you take him no questions asked. I think he without a doubt has the highest longterm star potential after Jackson.

Honestly though, Jacksin, Fultz, or Smith are all high potential star picks. Can't really go wrong with any of them. I'm less enthusiastic about Ball since he won't really fit a team with no offensive players.

tap2390 · 11-23-2016, 01:55 PM

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Honestly though, Jacksin, Fultz, or Smith are all high potential star picks. Can't really go wrong with any of them. .

Yes this is exactly correct. I will be upset if we play ourselves out of a top three pick because those are likely the first three off the board. They're the tier one guys.