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mac222b · 06-09-2018, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

I dont want Bagley at all. That defense is unfixeable....

I think the Mavs board is
Ayton/Doncic
Bamba
Porter
JJJ

Bamba has so much unicorn potential. If they really think that he can improve to a solid jumper and add enough muscles (he has the frame) then you just have to pick him, even over a healthy Porter. But i think thats the two guys the Mavs are locked in right now, Bamba and Porter (both high ceiling gus)

If they are all gone i think they are picking JJJ as first 3&D center over Bagley...

I agree I think they’d love to see Luka fall and then when he doesn’t, take whoever is left between Bamba and MPJ. I’m hoping for one of those two. Bamba the Unicorn or Porter the born scorer. JJJ and Wendell Carter and Mikal and Miles will all be nice players but not franchise guys

hayth.james.g · 06-09-2018, 09:03 AM

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I agree I think they’d love to see Luka fall and then when he doesn’t, take whoever is left between Bamba and MPJ. I’m hoping for one of those two. Bamba the Unicorn or Porter the born scorer. JJJ and Wendell Carter and Mikal and Miles will all be nice players but not franchise guys

Just not sure where you are drawing the conclusion that JJJ isn't a capable franchise guy but Bamba is. I haven't been his biggest fan, but I do see the insane potential. His floor is low, his ceiling is incredibly high.

I would encourage you to rewatch his film. Seeing him put the ball down at the 3 PT line, dribble through the lane, and finish with either hand is wild for a guy with his size. Not to mention his shooting and defensive impact. His only knock was overall production and lack of discipline (fouls). Both of which are easily counter argued.

Adding this video to further illustrate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7yQ7wmPzC0

mac222b · 06-09-2018, 04:07 PM

[QUOTE=hayth.james.g;1436681]Just not sure where you are drawing the conclusion that JJJ isn't a capable franchise guy but Bamba is. I haven't been his biggest fan, but I do see the insane potential. His floor is low, his ceiling is incredibly high.

I would encourage you to rewatch his film. Seeing him put the ball down at the 3 PT line, dribble through the lane, and finish with either hand is wild for a guy with his size. Not to mention his shooting and defensive impact. His only knock was overall production and lack of discipline (fouls). Both of which are easily counter argued.

Adding this video to further illustrate: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7yQ7wmPzC0

My main criticisms: he doesn’t look fluid to me. Not a ton of burst. Even his strengths are funky- low set-shot release on his jumper and while he looks good shadowing smaller guards on switches he has a sort of gallopy hitch about it. I saw him put the ball down twice and looked like a decent handle for a big but didn’t see him finish with either hand as dunking wide open wouldn’t count for me.

In the weakness section he seems to have a hard time finishing when it isn’t a dunk- not a ton of burst or touch. And not much in the way of passing or court vision. No mid-range game. He seems more Ibaka than Horford to me. That said, he’s super young and long and may already have more off the bounce game than Serge ever did. And Horford took awhile to develop 3 point shooting. I assume he’ll never be as skilled as Horford- few bigs are.

SMC0007 · 06-09-2018, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

I dont want Bagley at all. That defense is unfixeable....

I think the Mavs board is
Ayton/Doncic
Bamba
Porter
JJJ

Bamba has so much unicorn potential. If they really think that he can improve to a solid jumper and add enough muscles (he has the frame) then you just have to pick him, even over a healthy Porter. But i think thats the two guys the Mavs are locked in right now, Bamba and Porter (both high ceiling gus)

If they are all gone i think they are picking JJJ as first 3&D center over Bagley...

Bagleys defense isnt unfixable, but yea, I dont expect him to be a standout. I never expected Durant to be a standout either but he has become a nice defensive player. Bagleys too athletic to be considered unfixable in any aspect.

EricaLubarsky · 06-09-2018, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Bagleys defense isnt unfixable, but yea, I dont expect him to be a standout. I never expected Durant to be a standout either but he has become a nice defensive player. Bagleys too athletic to be considered unfixable in any aspect.

Bagley will be like Dirk. The dude is an offensive phenomenon and just has way too many ways to score and is almost unguardable. People said Dirk would never defend and yet he's become pretty good. Not DPOY good, but serviceable.

SMC0007 · 06-09-2018, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Bagley will be like Dirk. The dude is an offensive phenomenon and just has way too many ways to score and is almost unguardable. People said Dirk would never defend and yet he's become pretty good. Not DPOY good, but serviceable.

Yea. I don't think he will ever shoot it like Dirk but a mix of him and Stoudemire or LA. None of those 3 are defensive studs but they are servicable

EricaLubarsky · 06-09-2018, 09:20 AM

12 days

Melonhead · 06-09-2018, 10:27 AM

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12 days

It can’t come soon enough. I’m tired of the “deals to get two top 10 picks”. It’s unrealistic. With that said I’m checking Mavs rumors everyday while on vacati M in japan wth is wrong with me. I’m also drunk right now

tap2390 · 06-09-2018, 10:29 AM

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It can’t come soon enough. I’m tired of the “deals to get two top 10 picks”. It’s unrealistic. With that said I’m checking Mavs rumors everyday while on vacati M in japan wth is wrong with me. I’m also drunk right now

Sake drunk is the best. I too check up on my Mavs on vacation so don't feel too bad.

sefant77 · 06-09-2018, 03:10 PM

I think after the past few years with bad defense, no rebounding or rim protection i prefer potential Gobert with a jumpshot over potential Amare 2.0...my guess the FO thinks the same, they also know that DSJ is going to be ok at defense but never a stud...

hayth.james.g · 06-09-2018, 04:47 PM

To the point of not trading down, this game is 100% about getting at LEAST two unicorn caliber players together. You could say DSJ has the potential to be one. We need one more.

You won't win a championship in the new NBA without another home run. Swing big, hope to land, and if you do the supporting cast will come to Dallas. I am 100% against piecing together a team that hopes to one day get to the 2nd round.

rimrocker · 06-09-2018, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

To the point of not trading down, this game is 100% about getting at LEAST two unicorn caliber players together. You could say DSJ has the potential to be one. We need one more.

You won't win a championship in the new NBA without another home run. Swing big, hope to land, and if you do the supporting cast will come to Dallas. I am 100% against piecing together a team that hopes to one day get to the 2nd round.

The point of trading down only applies if there is strong probability that the guy you want is gone and the alternative guy should be where you trade down to.

There have been a few people on this board, not including me, who think Bridges should be our guy at #5. I was merely trying to figure out a possible option that would bring in another asset. If we're selecting him we better have another high pick.
Some of us are really high on Bamba and think he is our guy but that won't mean much if he is selected in the top 4. The idea of trading back would be plan B because there may not be much difference between Bridges and the supposed best option at #5.

TBH, Porter is risky as hell to me and I think I'd consider trading back a few spots if the choice is between him and JJJ. I'm not convinced JJJ has the motor and BBIQ to be anything close to a star.
I think I'd rather have the combination of Bridges and maybe Carter or Knox than either JJJ or Porter but that's just me.

SMC0007 · 06-09-2018, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

The point of trading down only applies if there is strong probability that the guy you want is gone and the alternative guy should be where you trade down to.

There have been a few people on this board, not including me, who think Bridges should be our guy at #5. I was merely trying to figure out a possible option that would bring in another asset. If we're selecting him we better have another high pick.
Some of us are really high on Bamba and think he is our guy but that won't mean much if he is selected in the top 4. The idea of trading back would be plan B because there may not be much difference between Bridges and the supposed best option at #5.

TBH, Porter is risky as hell to me and I think I'd consider trading back a few spots if the choice is between him and JJJ. I'm not convinced JJJ has the motor and BBIQ to be anything close to a star.
I think I'd rather have the combination of Bridges and maybe Carter or Knox than either JJJ or Porter but that's just me.

Knox seems like a lock for a solid player at least.
But I have a feeling Porter is going to be healthy and be a beast.

rimrocker · 06-09-2018, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Knox seems like a lock for a solid player at least.
But I have a feeling Porter is going to be healthy and be a beast.

Yeah, there seems to be risk in nearly all of the top 8 picks so I guess I shouldn't be overly conservative. I just hope Porter doesn't turn out to be the Harry Giles of this draft and we are stuck with nothing if we take him.

I see draftnet has us taking Jackson with Doncic slipping to 6 and Porter slipping to 8. Young jumped up to 3.

Knox, Bridges and Carter all have low ceilings but damn they just seem like solid picks. But we are definitely in desperation mode when it comes to acquiring a star so we need to take a chance on some of these guys with much higher ceilings even though they do come with risks.

Underdog · 06-09-2018, 06:59 PM

Goddamn... Click the link.

@DXContent: ‘I changed mechanics on my jump shot and I’m really seeing a difference... The ball is coming off my two guide fingers + feels really smooth...’

~ Mo Bamba at our interview + workout with him in #LA, where he is training with #NBA trainer @DrewHanlen >> http://dx.im/Bamba-Workout

SMC0007 · 06-09-2018, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Goddamn... Click the link.

@DXContent: ‘I changed mechanics on my jump shot and I’m really seeing a difference... The ball is coming off my two guide fingers + feels really smooth...’

~ Mo Bamba at our interview + workout with him in #LA, where he is training with #NBA trainer @DrewHanlen >> http://dx.im/Bamba-Workout

Jeez. Take these vids of the interwebs. Bamba is looking like he will be a force offensively

Melonhead · 06-10-2018, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Goddamn... Click the link.

@DXContent: ‘I changed mechanics on my jump shot and I’m really seeing a difference... The ball is coming off my two guide fingers + feels really smooth...’

~ Mo Bamba at our interview + workout with him in #LA, where he is training with #NBA trainer @DrewHanlen >> http://dx.im/Bamba-Workout

Fire up the Bamba train. I’m re boarding.

EricaLubarsky · 06-10-2018, 09:13 AM

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Fire up the Bamba train. I’m re boarding.

Toot toot

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-09-2018, 07:05 PM

I go back and forth with a lot of players, but it's really hard not to come back to Bamba. He has the highest ceiling in the draft IMO.

Rick is a def a coach that can work with him because he seems to be the type of player that needs motivation. Coach will motivate you son...don't you worry.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-09-2018, 07:15 PM

I'm down with Porter if his health checks out.

We should all vow on here to support whatever player is picked 100% and not be like db.com where half of them will jump off a cliff no matter who is picked. Being a fan is supporting your team.

And I want to win next season. I'm not rooting for us to lose again. Nope.

Underdog · 06-09-2018, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

We should all vow on here to support whatever player is picked 100% and not be like db.com where half of them will jump off a cliff no matter who is picked. Being a fan is supporting your team.

Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, Jackson, Porter, Bamba, Bridges -- I'll even root for Carter if he's our guy... I mean, I wasn't a fan of the Shane Larkin pick, but I certainly rooted for him once he put on that Mavs jersey.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-09-2018, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Ayton, Doncic, Bagley, Jackson, Porter, Bamba, Bridges -- I'll even root for Carter if he's our guy... I mean, I wasn't a fan of the Shane Larkin pick, but I certainly rooted for him once he put on that Mavs jersey.

Uh I supported Nick Fazekas who made Larkin look like Michael Jordan.

rimrocker · 06-09-2018, 08:20 PM

I still think Bamba's gonna be gone by the time we pick.
Stock is just rising too high.

BPo001 · 06-09-2018, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

I still think Bamba's gonna be gone by the time we pick.
Stock is just rising too high.

Looking that way, unfortunately. If that's the case I think I'm taking Porter assuming medical looks ok.

rimrocker · 06-09-2018, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'm down with Porter if his health checks out.

We should all vow on here to support whatever player is picked 100% and not be like db.com where half of them will jump off a cliff no matter who is picked. Being a fan is supporting your team.

And I want to win next season. I'm not rooting for us to lose again. Nope.

Will definitely support any rookie 100%....problem I have is when Wes, JJB and Powell get most of the minutes while rookies like Motley either sit and watch or don't even dress. That is when I find myself hoping for losses.

Hopefully that will change this coming season.

SMC0007 · 06-09-2018, 08:41 PM

Damn. Bamba has to be rising after his workouts. I still think the top 5 is dependent on Porters health.
Ayton
Doncic
Bamba
Bagely
Porter

Ayton will for sure be gone, but I can get on board with any of the leftover 4. I'm not as high on Jjj or Bridges...at 5.

sefant77 · 06-09-2018, 09:04 PM

Yeah Draft lottery maybe bite us in the ass big time.

I think even at #3 with no lottery bad luck we pick him. Wouldnt be surprised if we try to trade up for #3. If the Hawks love Bagley and the Grizz comitting to Porter if he is there then its a trade that makes sense for both teams

Underdog · 06-09-2018, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Yeah Draft lottery maybe bite us in the ass big time.

I think even at #3 with no lottery bad luck we pick him. Wouldnt be surprised if we try to trade up for #3. If the Hawks love Bagley and the Grizz comitting to Porter if he is there then its a trade that makes sense for both teams

It depends -- if Bamba goes top-3 (don't see Memphis taking him), then that definitely increase the chances of Doncic slipping to #5... Or if we're trading up to #3, do we take Bamba over Bagley/Doncic (depending on which one slips past Sacto)? I feel like we probably aren't giving up additional assets to move up and draft Mo with all the other talent that could be available at #5.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-09-2018, 09:34 PM

Everything outside of Ayton at 1 is poker face. Doncic falling to 5 wouldn't surprise me at all. Ayton/Bagley/Bamba/Porter isn't beyond reason. In fact, I think that's where we are headed if Bamba and MPJ keep rising.

tap2390 · 06-09-2018, 09:55 PM

No one should worry about one particular guy. The fact is we’re getting one of following: Bagley, JJJ, Bamba, Doncic, Porter, or Ayton. Even if you take Porter off your draft board there are 5 blue-chip prospects.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-09-2018, 10:10 PM

LOL nbadraft.net is at least entertaining. They have Doncic falling to Orlando and us taking JJJ. What's funny is they can be all wild and ridiculous and still somehow end up right this draft.

EricaLubarsky · 06-10-2018, 09:12 AM

11days

SMC0007 · 06-10-2018, 09:48 AM

Why would Atlanta pass up Bamba? That seems to me the only team that stands in the way of him reaching 5.

BPo001 · 06-10-2018, 09:55 AM

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Why would Atlanta pass up Bamba? That seems to me the only team that stands in the way of him reaching 5.

Agreed. Let's hope they love Trea Young or JJJ.

SMC0007 · 06-10-2018, 10:44 AM

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Agreed. Let's hope they love Trea Young or JJJ.

I just can't see J3 going before Bamba in any scenario.

I believe in Trae Young myself and it wouldn't surprise me if hes a stud.

sefant77 · 06-10-2018, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Why would Atlanta pass up Bamba? That seems to me the only team that stands in the way of him reaching 5.

Appearantly their scouting department love Bagley (as the YouTube Dime Dude) and their GM loves Trae as next Curry.

They need scoring more than defense. They could always move Collins to center or re-sign Dedmon...

Ayton
Doncic
Bagley
Porter

Is my hope for the Draft order

SMC0007 · 06-10-2018, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Appearantly their scouting department love Bagley (as the YouTube Dime Dude) and their GM loves Trae as next Curry.

They need scoring more than defense. They could always move Collins to center or re-sign Dedmon...

Ayton
Doncic
Bagley
Porter

Is my hope for the Draft order

See I wouldnt bet Collins is ready if I'm Atl. I would love to have Bamba and Collins together and I'm not so sure Bamba isnt going to provide scoring.

I would love for Doncic to surprisingly fall to 5. Also hard to feel bad for the leftover of Bamba or Porter.

rimrocker · 06-10-2018, 10:50 AM

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See I wouldnt bet Collins is ready if I'm Atl. I would love to have Bamba and Collins together and I'm not so sure Bamba isnt going to provide scoring.

I would love for Doncic to surprisingly fall to 5. Also hard to feel bad for the leftover of Bamba or Porter.

Yeah, Sac could shake things up by taking Bagley.
Hell, I'm wondering if they might take Porter or Bamba the way they are rising.

rimrocker · 06-10-2018, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Appearantly their scouting department love Bagley (as the YouTube Dime Dude) and their GM loves Trae as next Curry.

They need scoring more than defense. They could always move Collins to center or re-sign Dedmon...

Ayton
Doncic
Bagley
Porter

Is my hope for the Draft order

That would be great and my hope too but I'm not sure Atlanta would want Bagley with Collins and Memphis might be sick of dealing with injuries and may not want to risk it with Porter.

I still think our choice will be between Porter and JJJ.

SMC0007 · 06-10-2018, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

That would be great and my hope too but I'm not sure Atlanta would want Bagley with Collins and Memphis might be sick of dealing with injuries and may not want to risk it with Porter.

I still think our choice will be between Porter and JJJ.

Yea very good chance of that, and at least that's a easy choice for me.