Mavs seeding

[EricaLubarsky]

Don’t mess this up

[MFFL]

The final 14 games will happen in the next 23 days. It is going to be a grind

Literally anything can happen

[EricaLubarsky]

Mavs have played 59 games and 13 games remain

Standings
1) Jazz - 10.5 games behind the Jazz for 1st
2) Suns - 9 games behind the Suns for 2nd
3) Clippers - 8.5 games behind the Lakers for 3rd
4) Nuggets - 6.5 games behind the Nuggets for 4th
5) Lakers - 1.5 games behind the Lakers for 5th
6) Mavs
7) Blazers - 1 game behind the Mavs for 7th
8) Grizzlies - 2.5 games behind the Mavs for 7th
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9) Spurs - 3 games behind us
10) Warriors - 3.5 games behind us

[Bryan_Wilson]

Grizzlies beat Blazers again.

Man Norman Powell went from 44% 3pt shooter with Toronto to 34% with the Blazers. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.

[Dallas41]

Mavs should be thinking bigger and until LeBron comes back and AD gets in game shape the Mavs still have good opportunity to surprisingly catch the Lakers.

If the Mavs can just play decent ball the Lakers have a 5 game stretch later on that could help Dallas leap them for 5th seed.

They get Denver, Clippers, Blazers, Suns & Knicks starting May 3rd to the 11th

Now obviously it's hard to predict WTH this Mavs team will do but if they somehow give us a 2 week stretch of consistent play they could very well capture the 5th seed and catch a Denver team in the playoffs minus Jamal Murray

Yeah I know I'm dreaming

[tap2390]

I’m glad we’re playing better. My only fear is our improved play will be the justification for running it back next year. Richardson still sucks. Porzingis still isn’t a great fit. Carlisle is still an old dog.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Yeah I know I'm dreaming

I'm on board.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Grizzlies beat Blazers again.

Man Norman Powell went from 44% 3pt shooter with Toronto to 34% with the Blazers. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.

It’s been 15 games.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

It’s been 15 games.

Yeah it has but he only has about as many games left this year to get that up and then he's an unrestricted free agent. They gave up Gary Trent Jr who was already shooting 40% from 3 in the trade who will be restricted. Powell holds all the cards with the negotiations unless they want the trade to be for nothing and right now with free agency where it is they are looking at needing to overpay for him without the benefit of knowing it will work.

[sefant77]

Portland was overrated anyway with a weaker schedule and tons of lucky wins.

Lillard cant defend a chair, same with McCollum and now they are terrible undersized with Powell at SF and covington at PF

[Melonhead]

Mavs need to do whatever to avoid the Clippers. I’d rather avoid them the most.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Mavs need to do whatever to avoid the Clippers. I’d rather avoid them the most.

I actually feel good about the Clippers they can't defend Luka or KP

But with Murray out in Denver now that might be the better overall matchup

[tap2390]

Mavs are 2nd in the league in generating "open" three point looks (closest defender is 4-6 feet away). Mavs are 12th in knocking them down.

Mavs are 9th in the league in generating "wide open" three point looks (closest defender is more than 6 feet away). Mavs are 27th in knocking them down.

Mavs are 4th in the league in roll man possessions (roll man in pick and roll gets ball). Mavs are 19th in roll man FG%.

Mavs are 27th in transition points per game.

Mavs are 29th in cutter possessions per game. Mavs are 23rd in cutter FG%.

Mavs are 29th in putback attempts per game.



The stats support what our eyes are telling us. We don't generate easy points. We don't get out on the break. We don't put back offensive boards. We don't cut to the basket.

We're a pick and roll offense without a roll man and without consistent three point shooters to space the floor.

This team NEEDS a major overhaul. We should've stuck with developing Green as a starter all season because he actually does a lot of what we're missing and had a very successful jumper in college. Instead we're stuck hoping Richardson starts hitting open looks he hasn't hit all season.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Mavs are 2nd in the league in generating "open" three point looks (closest defender is 4-6 feet away). Mavs are 12th in knocking them down.

Mavs are 9th in the league in generating "wide open" three point looks (closest defender is more than 6 feet away). Mavs are 27th in knocking them down.

Mavs are 4th in the league in roll man possessions (roll man in pick and roll gets ball). Mavs are 19th in roll man FG%.

Mavs are 27th in transition points per game.

Mavs are 29th in cutter possessions per game. Mavs are 23rd in cutter FG%.

Mavs are 29th in putback attempts per game.



The stats support what our eyes are telling us. We don't generate easy points. We don't get out on the break. We don't put back offensive boards. We don't cut to the basket.

We're a pick and roll offense without a roll man and without consistent three point shooters to space the floor.

This team NEEDS a major overhaul. We should've stuck with developing Green as a starter all season because he actually does a lot of what we're missing and had a very successful jumper in college. Instead we're stuck hoping Richardson starts hitting open looks he hasn't hit all season.

Don't the stats say the opposite? Only one team in the league gets open for jumpers more. We're a top-10 offense in the league. PnR rolls are top 10.

We're getting a lot of open threes and lots of potential assisted layups/dunks. Those are excellent shots. We just aren't finishing them.

Our only offensive weaknesses are Offensive Reb (I mean duh with KP out there), iso drives, and transition. Transition offense blows my mind because we're built to run. For ISO drives, we don't really have anyone who drives outside of Luka, but we don't really need it with Luka driving and distributing. The only real offensive issue we have is offensive rebounding/putbacks, but our rebounding will always be awful with KP standing 30' from the basket.

More concerning to me than the 10th place offense is the 20th place defense and 17th place rebounding. We gotta figure out how to defend.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Mavs are 2nd in the league in generating "open" three point looks (closest defender is 4-6 feet away). Mavs are 12th in knocking them down.

Mavs are 9th in the league in generating "wide open" three point looks (closest defender is more than 6 feet away). Mavs are 27th in knocking them down.

Mavs are 4th in the league in roll man possessions (roll man in pick and roll gets ball). Mavs are 19th in roll man FG%.

Mavs are 27th in transition points per game.

Mavs are 29th in cutter possessions per game. Mavs are 23rd in cutter FG%.

Mavs are 29th in putback attempts per game.



The stats support what our eyes are telling us. We don't generate easy points. We don't get out on the break. We don't put back offensive boards. We don't cut to the basket.

We're a pick and roll offense without a roll man and without consistent three point shooters to space the floor.

This team NEEDS a major overhaul. We should've stuck with developing Green as a starter all season because he actually does a lot of what we're missing and had a very successful jumper in college. Instead we're stuck hoping Richardson starts hitting open looks he hasn't hit all season.

Spot on with thr Greeen development, and I think even the most staunch defenders of Rick have some level of disappointment about that. Green has shown some defense that I was pleasantly surprised with. Offensively he needs more opportunities to catch up and experience things.

[turin]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Don't the stats say the opposite? Only one team in the league gets open for jumpers more. We're a top-10 offense in the league. PnR rolls are top 10.

We're getting a lot of open threes and lots of potential assisted layups/dunks. Those are excellent shots. We just aren't finishing them.

Our only offensive weaknesses are Offensive Reb (I mean duh with KP out there), iso drives, and transition. Transition offense blows my mind because we're built to run. For ISO drives, we don't really have anyone who drives outside of Luka, but we don't really need it with Luka driving and distributing. The only real offensive issue we have is offensive rebounding/putbacks, but our rebounding will always be awful with KP standing 30' from the basket.

More concerning to me than the 10th place offense is the 20th place defense and 17th place rebounding. We gotta figure out how to defend.

There is a reason jump shooting teams historically rarely win championships. GS was an outlier imo.

The reality is that the Mavs do not have the players and talent for playoff success playing 5 out.

The playoffs require defense and smart, consistent offensive production to beat a top team 4 games. The Mavs have none of that.

Analytics from stats produced over a season against all teams are very misleading. Expecting that type of "average" production in the playoffs is wishful thinking.

I don't think RC gets the most out of his talent. He is too wedded to his system. Players look worse than they actually are at times when asked to do things beyond their skillset. DFS is a prime example.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by turin

There is a reason jump shooting teams historically rarely win championships. GS was an outlier imo.

The reality is that the Mavs do not have the players and talent for playoff success playing 5 out.

The playoffs require defense and smart, consistent offensive production to beat a top team 4 games. The Mavs have none of that.

Analytics from stats produced over a season against all teams are very misleading. Expecting that type of "average" production in the playoffs is wishful thinking.

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I mean I wont argue with you that jumpshooting is a rough way to win the championship, although the Mavs literally did it in 2011. They just had enough defense that year to keep them going when the shot wasn't falling. 20th in defense and 17th in rebounding isn't going to cut it for us if we want to get the Mavs another 'ship.

I will say that your stats completely negated your claim that "we don't generate easy points. " We are top 10 in every assisted shot category. We're getting some of the best shots in the entire NBA and we're mostly making them, which is why we are 10th overall in the league (measured by ORTG).

I would never turn down another shooter and I would never turn down another guy who can drive and maybe even distribute, but with a guy like Doncic as your star, you maximize his impact by surrounding him with roll men and jumpshooters who can make teams pay.

Sadly KP isn't a complementary player and as long as we have him, we don't have cap room or many FRPs.

[turin]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I mean I wont argue with you that jumpshooting is a rough way to win the championship, although the Mavs literally did it in 2011. They just had enough defense that year to keep them going when the shot wasn't falling. 20th in defense and 17th in rebounding isn't going to cut it for us if we want to get the Mavs another 'ship.



I will say that your stats completely negated your claim that "we don't generate easy points. " We are top 10 in every assisted shot category. We're getting some of the best shots in the entire NBA and we're mostly making them, which is why we are 10th overall in the league (measured by ORTG).



I would never turn down another shooter and I would never turn down another guy who can drive and maybe even distribute, but with a guy like Doncic as your star, you maximize his impact by surrounding him with roll men and jumpshooters who can make teams pay.



Sadly KP isn't a complementary player and as long as we have him, we don't have cap room or many FRPs.

Next year will be Luka's 4th season, and right now Reddick is the best, most consistent 3-pt shooter on the team.

I've watched the Cowboys too many years to not recognize bumbling stagnation when I see it. Heck, we aren't even a smart team, and that has nothing to do with raw talent for the most part.

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[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by turin

Next year will be Luka's 4th season, and right now Reddick is the best, most consistent 3-pt shooter on the team.

I've watched the Cowboys too many years to not recognize bumbling stagnation when I see it. Heck, we aren't even a smart team, and that has nothing to do with raw talent for the most part.

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I don't think anyone here is in love with this roster. It's also apparent people want a new coach. And the only name I've seen come up is Mosley. No idea why people keep posting about Luka leaving and then the solution is a first time head coach, because those work so often.

Hypothetically what would your plan of action be? I keep seeing we need an overhaul but look at the free agents this off season. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

Because there are very few names there that are realistic and even fewer who are realistic and life changing. We can shit talk THJ but that's a miserable list and nearly all of them will be overpaid just like what THJ was in his last contract with NYK. When talent is this low teams convince themselves players are something they aren't and before we know it... after waiting on a pipe dream RFA like Collins, and watching Derozan get a max offer from several teams and Oubre get 60-70m we will be left with kicking the tires of a 35yr old Danny Green and wondering if a 36yr old PJ Tucker can be a stop gap starter for a year.

[tap2390]

Getting open three point looks is absolutely not the same thing as getting easy baskets.

We do not get easy baskets... i.e. we're near the bottom of the league in points from transition, putbacks, and cuts.

We do get good looks. Some of the best in the NBA. We just hit them at a below average rate.

We are also bottom ten in passes made, assists, catch and shoot percentage, and catch and shoot 3P%.

My takeaways are this:

1) We don't move the ball on offense enough, but it's a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. When we do move the ball and get good looks too often we miss them. As a result there's quite a bit of pressure on Luka and Brunson to create for themselves in isolation.

2) Our roll men (primarily KP, Powell, WCS, Kleber) are not nearly effective enough. I know lots of people think Collins is a pipe dream, but the Hawks have $60 million committed to Gallinari, Bogdanovic, and Capela next season. They also have Okongwu waiting in the wings. Force their hand, if they're not open to a S&T give Collins a huge offer on day 1. Let's NOT make the same mistake we made with Christian Wood.

3) Making life harder for our roll men is the fact teams have been crowding the lane because they know we can't shoot. I would start Redick over THJ.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I don't think anyone here is in love with this roster. It's also apparent people want a new coach. And the only name I've seen come up is Mosley. No idea why people keep posting about Luka leaving and then the solution is a first time head coach, because those work so often.

Hypothetically what would your plan of action be? I keep seeing we need an overhaul but look at the free agents this off season. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

Because there are very few names there that are realistic and even fewer who are realistic and life changing. We can shit talk THJ but that's a miserable list and nearly all of them will be overpaid just like what THJ was in his last contract with NYK. When talent is this low teams convince themselves players are something they aren't and before we know it... after waiting on a pipe dream RFA like Collins, and watching Derozan get a max offer from several teams and Oubre get 60-70m we will be left with kicking the tires of a 35yr old Danny Green and wondering if a 36yr old PJ Tucker can be a stop gap starter for a year.

Who are the unrealistic names?

Do they include,
Collins
Lonzo
J.Green
Scroeder
Dinwiddie
C. Payne
Holmes

Markanen

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Who are the unrealistic names?

Do they include,
Collins
Lonzo
J.Green
Scroeder
Dinwiddie
C. Payne
Holmes

Markanen

I personally view Collins and Markanen as unrealistic. I just don't see the Hawks letting him walk when they can sign him and go over the cap. They can always trade him down the road when/if they move on to their rookie. The rest of those names are nice but we are just replacing role players with others. I don't think I want any of those names starting for us and we would need at minimum 2 starters if THJ and JRich are gone not to mention if we move on from WCS and want a better 5 man.

I also don't want Ball at all. I just don't want that circus. If Ball has a down game I'm sure his dad goes on 5 shows and says his son is better than Luka and should run the show. I won't deny if he plays like this year he could be a good fit though.

Edit-
I'll add that if people want a significant jump like the Suns made we need a sure bet 3rd best player. If you can get Collins that would indeed change life. But I'm also afraid we bid max day one wait 3 days meanwhile the good names all sign elsewhere then Hawks match. Because that's what I'm conditioned to think will happen at this point.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I personally view Collins and Markanen as unrealistic. I just don't see the Hawks letting him walk when they can sign him and go over the cap. They can always trade him down the road when/if they move on to their rookie. The rest of those names are nice but we are just replacing role players with others. I don't think I want any of those names starting for us and we would need at minimum 2 starters if THJ and JRich are gone not to mention if we move on from WCS and want a better 5 man.

I also don't want Ball at all. I just don't want that circus. If Ball has a down game I'm sure his dad goes on 5 shows and says his son is better than Luka and should run the show. I won't deny if he plays like this year he could be a good fit though.

Edit-
I'll add that if people want a significant jump like the Suns made we need a sure bet 3rd best player. If you can get Collins that would indeed change life. But I'm also afraid we bid max day one wait 3 days meanwhile the good names all sign elsewhere then Hawks match. Because that's what I'm conditioned to think will happen at this point.

We are all Conditioned for sure.

I think Collins is realistic but they sure as hell better have a backup plan on the ready.

I'd take Shroeder all day over THJ. He is a gritty player and has better offensive balance.

If we got Collins, KP would become our 3rd best imo.

But I'd be shopping KP personally, I've had enough of the fragility. There's a limit to what I'd be willing to trade him for, um not interested in 60% on trade value but I would be ok at 80c on the dollar. We paid for the risk and I'd like out but only at a certain point. I'd be all ears in off season.

[turin]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I don't think anyone here is in love with this roster. It's also apparent people want a new coach. And the only name I've seen come up is Mosley. No idea why people keep posting about Luka leaving and then the solution is a first time head coach, because those work so often.

Hypothetically what would your plan of action be? I keep seeing we need an overhaul but look at the free agents this off season. https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/

Because there are very few names there that are realistic and even fewer who are realistic and life changing. We can shit talk THJ but that's a miserable list and nearly all of them will be overpaid just like what THJ was in his last contract with NYK. When talent is this low teams convince themselves players are something they aren't and before we know it... after waiting on a pipe dream RFA like Collins, and watching Derozan get a max offer from several teams and Oubre get 60-70m we will be left with kicking the tires of a 35yr old Danny Green and wondering if a 36yr old PJ Tucker can be a stop gap starter for a year.

The current state of the Mavs is not a 1 year fix. I've made multiple suggestions over the past several years regarding coach, offensive system/style of play, free agents, and trades.

I think it's a cop out to expect an answer on how to change everything immediately in order to justify doing more of the same if there isn't one. Don't worry. You're not going to see much change at all. Enjoy the stagnation. I'm about done with it.

I do think that changing coaches just for the sake of not having RC as our coach MAY remove a FA deterrent.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by turin

The current state of the Mavs is not a 1 year fix. I've made multiple suggestions over the past several years regarding coach, offensive system/style of play, free agents, and trades.

I think it's a cop out to expect an answer on how to change everything immediately in order to justify doing more of the same. Don't worry. You're not going to see much change at all. Enjoy the stagnation. I'm about done with it.

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Ok. I wasn't expecting a perfect fix right now. Perhaps I conveyed that poorly. I was only asking a hypothetical what would you like to have this off season to get us in the right direction or if there was a single player we could get to really move it, that's literally it. I also never said I wanted to keep things the same so I really don't know where that cop out line came from.

I only defend RC because I don't want to replace him with a first time HC when we already have Luka and KP on this roster and need to make strides now not 3 years from now. I don't want a retread like Van Gundy either. I have also said I'd literally leave it up to Luka. If he wants Rick I want Rick. If he want's some other coach I'll take him, even if it is someone I wouldn't personally want.

As for the roster I like some of our players I don't love many of them but the only one who I have no interest at all in coming back is JRich. THJ is such a hot topic recently but he was the trash NYK didn't want. We were all prepared for what we thought was another 3 years of Wes shooting 34% or worse from 3, it was part of the price for KP. And despite his limitations he's 40% from 3 last year and 38% this year. He's frustrating and I don't want to rely on him for more than what he should be relied upon... which our current roster can't give us that. I never said I want him back but I did say if he was making 9m off the bench I'd have no problem with keeping someone like him.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

We are all Conditioned for sure.

I think Collins is realistic but they sure as hell better have a backup plan on the ready.

I'd take Shroeder all day over THJ. He is a gritty player and has better offensive balance.

If we got Collins, KP would become our 3rd best imo.

But I'd be shopping KP personally, I've had enough of the fragility. There's a limit to what I'd be willing to trade him for, um not interested in 60% on trade value but I would be ok at 80c on the dollar. We paid for the risk and I'd like out but only at a certain point. I'd be all ears in off season.

I'm open for any and all moves that make this team better. I'm also open to moving on from KP but I also am not sure what his value is to the league at that price of his.

And if we got Collins I might cry tears of joy, I just can't see it happening.

[turin]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Ok. I wasn't expecting a perfect fix right now. Perhaps I conveyed that poorly. I was only asking a hypothetical what would you like to have this off season to get us in the right direction or if there was a single player we could get to really move it, that's literally it. I also never said I wanted to keep things the same so I really don't know where that cop out line came from.

I only defend RC because I don't want to replace him with a first time HC when we already have Luka and KP on this roster and need to make strides now not 3 years from now. I don't want a retread like Van Gundy either. I have also said I'd literally leave it up to Luka. If he wants Rick I want Rick. If he want's some other coach I'll take him, even if it is someone I wouldn't personally want.

As for the roster I like some of our players I don't love many of them but the only one who I have no interest at all in coming back is JRich. THJ is such a hot topic recently but he was the trash NYK didn't want. We were all prepared for what we thought was another 3 years of Wes shooting 34% or worse from 3, it was part of the price for KP. And despite his limitations he's 40% from 3 last year and 38% this year. He's frustrating and I don't want to rely on him for more than what he should be relied upon... which our current roster can't give us that. I never said I want him back but I did say if he was making 9m off the bench I'd have no problem with keeping someone like him.

I think the most expedient way to potentially turn things around is a new coach. Yes, it's not everybody's favorite, but let's be realistic about where we are as a team:

1. For whatever reason, Luka and KP don't seem to fit well together. Call me crazy, but I think it's a coaching problem. Just because RC can't seem to force them into his style of play and get it to work doesn't mean that there isn't a coach out there with the knowledge and ability to design an offense around 2 unicorns that will take advantage of both of their skillsets. My guess is that it won't be a 5 out offense. heh

I remember when KP was first signed. The coaching staff was having a problem from the start with integrating KP, and they even admitted to studying the Lakers and borrowing plays from them because they were working for their bigs.

2. RC has a prickly personality. That's well known. Most people tend to not prefer to be around those types of personalities on a daily basis in a work environment, and millionaires I'd guess, even less so. Changing coaches would eliminate this potential FA deterrent.

3. Cuban, who may very well be at the core of the problem just like Jones with the Cowboys, is not going anywhere, so if he's really the issue then Mav fans are just hosed.

4. If Donnie is the issue, then changing him out won't really bear fruit for at least another year or two, and then, unless the Mavs actually hit on a pick, it might take longer... longer than necessary if RC is still the coach.

Because I am tired of watching the uninspired, unintelligent garbage that we are served on a semi-regular basis, I am ready for a major shakeup. Replacing RC is potentially the single largest change that can be made that could possibly yield outsized results, and I'd sure as hell let him go first and try to see if somebody else can integrate Luka and KP into a productive offense than offload KP at 80 cents on the dollar, and I think we'd be lucky to get that, maybe 70% on the dollar.

I think trading KP is a mistake. We need to focus on working that situation out. Shoot, I remember when he first got here how he was moved around, so he wouldn't interfere with Powell's play too much. WTH?

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by turin

I think the most expedient way to potentially turn things around is a new coach. Yes, it's not everybody's favorite, but let's be realistic about where we are as a team:

1. For whatever reason, Luka and KP don't seem to fit well together. Call me crazy, but I think it's a coaching problem. Just because RC can't seem to force them into his style of play and get it to work doesn't mean that there isn't a coach out there with the knowledge and ability to design an offense around 2 unicorns that will take advantage of both of their skillsets. My guess is that it won't be a 5 out offense. heh

I remember when KP was first signed. The coaching staff was having a problem from the start with integrating KP, and they even admitted to studying the Lakers and borrowing plays from them because they were working for their bigs.

2. RC has a prickly personality. That's well known. Most people tend to not prefer to be around those types of personalities on a daily basis in a work environment, and millionaires I'd guess, even less so. Changing coaches would eliminate this potential FA deterrent.

3. Cuban, who may very well be at the core of the problem just like Jones with the Cowboys, is not going anywhere, so if he's really the issue then Mav fans are just hosed.

4. If Donnie is the issue, then changing him out won't really bear fruit for at least another year or two, and then, unless the Mavs actually hit on a pick, it might take longer... longer than necessary if RC is still the coach.

Because I am tired of watching the uninspired, unintelligent garbage that we are served on a semi-regular basis, I am ready for a major shakeup. Replacing RC is potentially the single largest change that can be made that could possibly yield outsized results, and I'd sure as hell let him go first and try to see if somebody else can integrate Luka and KP into a productive offense than offload KP at 80 cents on the dollar, and I think we'd be lucky to get that, maybe 70% on the dollar.

I think trading KP is a mistake. We need to focus on working that situation out. Shoot, I remember when he first got here how he was moved around, so he wouldn't interfere with Powell's play too much. WTH?

Imo, moving KP is more about the load management and injury. It's this or it's the next thing but it's fairly consistent. He doesn't do a lot of the things a max player should for me either. He could be a stud in the post season or next season but he also could be more of the same.

It's not happening and I'm not dying to do it, but I would be putting feelers out to see what is out there. I don't think a new coach would improve his ability to stay available to play, and I don't think it would turn him into a 2 way , especially a reliable defender.

[turin]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Imo, moving KP is more about the load management and injury. It's this or it's the next thing but it's fairly consistent. He doesn't do a lot of the things a max player should for me either. He could be a stud in the post season or next season but he also could be more of the same.

It's not happening and I'm not dying to do it, but I would be putting feelers out to see what is out there. I don't think a new coach would improve his ability to stay available to play, and I don't think it would turn him into a 2 way , especially a reliable defender.

I understand. I am thinking about Luka. This season looks like it's going to be a waste.

A new coach with a different offensive approach and some offseason roster tweaks is more likely to have enough success to matter to Luka to keep him around. I'd give KP one more year. Trading KP will cost even more development time while relying on the very same MBT to fix things.

I don't think Luka sticks around if KP gets traded.

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[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by turin

I understand. I am thinking about Luka. This season looks like it's going to be a waste.

A new coach with a different offensive approach and some offseason roster tweaks is more likely to have enough success to matter to Luka to keep him around. I'd give KP one more year. Trading KP will cost even more development time while relying on the very same MBT to fix things.

I don't think Luka sticks around if KP gets traded.

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If there is any truth to kP and Luka not being very close, I don't think Luka would care if KP isn't here anymore if it means we have a better chance of winning. You have to have your best players available to win regardless how good you may be at full strength.

I don't think we are setting any enviable pace with KP and Luka here. I would be shocked if we had a hard time implementing another guy or 2 into the team if they're actually solid additions. It shouldn't be that hard to play with Luka...unless you are load management or injured injured and have to gain momentum after each reset..

[turin]

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[turin]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

If there is any truth to kP and Luka not being very close, I don't think Luka would care if KP isn't here anymore if it means we have a better chance of winning. You have to have your best players available to win regardless how good you may be at full strength.

I don't think we are setting any enviable pace with KP and Luka here. I would be shocked if we had a hard time implementing another guy or 2 into the team if they're actually solid additions. It shouldn't be that hard to play with Luka...unless you are load management or injured injured and have to gain momentum after each reset..

Your points are valid and reasonable. The big question is whether the MBT chooses either or neither. My guess is neither. I think they roll with RC and the bulk of this team into next year. SSDD

[Dallas41]

I would snoop around Indiana this summer

They were allegedly on the verge of blowing it up right before the deadline.

M.Brogdon would be the guy I'd try to steal away from them

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by turin

Your points are valid and reasonable. The big question is whether the MBT chooses either or neither. My guess is neither. I think they roll with RC and the bulk of this team into next year. SSDD

Yea. Thats a safe bet. They will make semi acceptable offers and we will see what shakes out.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I would snoop around Indiana this summer

They were allegedly on the verge of blowing it up right before the deadline.

M.Brogdon would be the guy I'd try to steal away from them

Seems like taking on contracts is going to be the way to improve this year and I could see us nabbing someone like Brogdon

1) No cap room to speak of. If we have cap room, it's because we lost THJ and/or JRich. Only way we really make a huge jump talent-wise is if we overpay and we don't have the money to overpay.

2) No draft picks we can trade unless we make a move for the 2021 pick immediately after drafting.

I think our best bet is to make a move like that-- combine the 2021 pick with some friendly contracts to get someone who is floundering with another team.

[purplefrog]

THJ approx $18M
Redick approx $13M
Melli approx $3.8M
Boban $3.5M
WCS (team option) $4.1M
Total = approx $42.4M

Seems like there is some cap space for next year if you do not re-sign and deny player option on WCS. I am not saying there are any free agents worth that salary but some combination of FAs might fit under what is available.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

THJ approx $18M
Redick approx $13M
Melli approx $3.8M
Boban $3.5M
WCS (team option) $4.1M
Total = approx $42.4M

Seems like there is some cap space for next year if you do not re-sign and deny player option on WCS. I am not saying there are any free agents worth that salary but some combination of FAs might fit under what is available.

If we let THJ, Redick, Melli, WCS, and Boban walk, J-Rich opts out and we don't pursue him, then yeah, we have a little cap room. The projection right now is 112mill

With only nine guys on the roster, we'd have roughly 25 million to spend. If we keep WCS, then it's only 21 million. If J-Rich opts in, then we have like 11-14 million.

The max for a young player is 28 mill so even with the most peachy predictions, we don't even have one max slot, but we could potentially get a decent player with that or absorb that amount of salary in a trade.

Redick can also sign a vet min of around 3mill and it won't impact our cap. Don't know if he'd accept it, but we could get him back on the cheap.

We also can trade Green and our 2021 FRP as long as the deal doesn't get finalized until draft night.

[turin]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

THJ approx $18M
Redick approx $13M
Melli approx $3.8M
Boban $3.5M
WCS (team option) $4.1M
Total = approx $42.4M

Seems like there is some cap space for next year if you do not re-sign and deny player option on WCS. I am not saying there are any free agents worth that salary but some combination of FAs might fit under what is available.

I'd keep WCS for certain at $4.1m. I like his activity when he's conditioned and engaged. As fond as I am of Boban, I'd let him go, not because I don't think he has value but because RC will rarely play him. He's a waste of a roster spot and money while RC is the coach.

Powell, THJ, and Richardson are my top 3 to cut loose. I would seriously consider trading Brunson. He's young and has some talent and there should be a market for him, but he's a defensive liability, and I'd prefer we get more athletic and defensive and see if we can get somebody who is either a better volume 3 shooter or a better passer who is not such a defensive liability.

I'm not sure who's out there, but I wouldn't mind a veteran point guard be brought in if Brunson is traded. We just need to make sure to get somebody with some tread left. 2 years production would be good imo. Plug a hole with experience while hopefully increasing the BBIQ of this team.

[turin]

Originally Posted by purplefrog

THJ approx $18M
Redick approx $13M
Melli approx $3.8M
Boban $3.5M
WCS (team option) $4.1M
Total = approx $42.4M

Seems like there is some cap space for next year if you do not re-sign and deny player option on WCS. I am not saying there are any free agents worth that salary but some combination of FAs might fit under what is available.

I'd keep WCS for certain at $4.1m. I like his activity when he's conditioned and engaged. As fond as I am of Boban, I'd let him go, not because I don't think he has value but because RC will rarely play him. He's a waste of a roster spot and money while RC is the coach.

Powell, THJ, and Richardson are my top 3 to cut loose. I would seriously consider trading Brunson. He's young and has some talent and there should be a market for him, but he's a defensive liability, and I'd prefer we get more athletic and defensive and see if we can get somebody who is either a better volume 3 shooter or a better passer who is not such a defensive liability. A solid, veteran point guard with a year or 2 of tread left on the tires would be perfect. I have no idea if that's a realistic option though.

[EricaLubarsky]

How do we cut Powell? Dude still has two years left after this one and both are guaranteed money.

And J-Rich only can be "cut loose" if he opts out. If he opts in, he's making his money guaranteed.