Mavs off-season and draft 2023 thread

[tap2390]

Just pray Kyrie wants as much $$$ as possible and needs us to play ball in a S&T.

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Just pray Kyrie wants as much $$$ as possible and needs us to play ball in a S&T.

Do we even need to pray for that? Isn't that why Brooklyn let him go? He certainly is capable of changing his tune, but not sure I see him taking less money to play here, and somebody would throw money at him.

What you need to be worried about is the Mavs offering him max money. He played fine while he was here, and seems to get along well with team. Would make a good PG, and move Luka to forward (Larry Bird role). Team would be better then, Luka wouldn't be as tired, but...would still have same defensive issues.

FWIW, Kyrie doesn't play bad defense, he's just small (same with Brunson, for that matter). You need those 6'7" players that can guard anybody. Mavs now have...zero of those players?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Have any of you conjectured what we would do if the doomsday sequence of events occurs??
- We lose the lottery pick on May 16th
- Kyrie walks in Free Agency

What options would we have?

Would it really surprise anyone? Until the FO/coaching disconnect is fixed, then I'm not sure it really matters.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Lakers showed the blue print as to how you rebuild a team doing the season

Can't believe they ended up with 4 quality players all around the deadline

Vanderbilt, Beasley, RH and Russell

It's like the mavs were asleep at the wheel while some of those players became available

They showed Kings build over last 4 years, and while they have sucked, they are now poised to be good for a bit, with cap space. Such a fun team to watch too.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

They showed Kings build over last 4 years, and while they have sucked, they are now poised to be good for a bit, with cap space. Such a fun team to watch too.

Yep it's amazing that the mavs since 2011 title team with Tyson hasn't been able to find a competent starting center since then

The one constant decision makers left on this franchise is Cuban

So he has to take a great deal of the blame for poor roster building

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Yep it's amazing that the mavs since 2011 title team with Tyson hasn't been able to find a competent starting center since then

The one constant decision makers left on this franchise is Cuban

So he has to take a great deal of the blame for poor roster building

Well the one positive is we won it all when we replaced Damp with Tyson...even though people defended Damp til the end.

So maybe there is hope that a Tyson-like center would change it all.

Good luck finding one though.

And that means no Dwight Powell on the team. Period.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Well the one positive is we won it all when we replaced Damp with Tyson...even though people defended Damp til the end.

So maybe there is hope that a Tyson-like center would change it all.

Good luck finding one though.

And that means no Dwight Powell on the team. Period.

Not wanting Powell back on a minimum or much cheaper deal is...bad roster building aka what we have been complaining about.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Yep it's amazing that the mavs since 2011 title team with Tyson hasn't been able to find a competent starting center since then

The one constant decision makers left on this franchise is Cuban

So he has to take a great deal of the blame for poor roster building

This is categorized as "facts".

[BPo001]

Lol Booker. Crying to the refs on every possession down the stretch. Westbrook with the defensive play of the game late.

[BPo001]

Marc Stein: The Mavericks are in advanced discussions to hire former Utah Jazz lead executive Dennis Lindsey in a consultant?s role to GM Nico Harrison to bolster their front office, league sources tell @TheSteinLine. More posting soon: marcstein.substack.com ? via Twitter TheSteinLine

Cuban admitting Nico was in over his head hiring him as the GM?

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

Marc Stein: The Mavericks are in advanced discussions to hire former Utah Jazz lead executive Dennis Lindsey in a consultant?s role to GM Nico Harrison to bolster their front office, league sources tell @TheSteinLine. More posting soon: marcstein.substack.com ? via Twitter TheSteinLine

Cuban admitting Nico was in over his head hiring him as the GM?

Whoops...

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1365085933490610178

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Whoops...

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1365085933490610178

What a Cuban move

[saclare]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Whoops...

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1365085933490610178

Nothing about that story adds up. Waited 6 years to claim Lindsey would "cut his black ass" in what was...checks notes...an exit interview.

I can only hope this distances Cuban from decisions (not likely) and helps guide Nico to better roster building decisions. Nico has his hits, but some big misses.

Unfortunately to the downside, I can see this potentially muddying the already murky waters of who the hell is in charge in the Mavs FO.

Edit: a little more color below on some of the moves around Nico, might even be of his own choosing.

From RealGM but likely included in Stein's substack:

"The Mavericks have been looking for an experienced sounding-board voice since last offseason.

Harrison?s most recent two hires came from the Brooklyn Nets: Senior director of pro personnel Matt Riccardi and senior director of salary cap and strategy Andrew Baker."

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by saclare

Unfortunately to the downside, I can see this potentially muddying the already murky waters of who the hell is in charge in the Mavs FO.

Isn't it Cuban? I think knowing who is in charge isn't the problem. That it is Cuban is the problem.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Doesn't really matter when Cuban still calls the shots.

[SMC0007]

Yea. Whoops... a nothing burger.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/03/15...ennis-lindsey/

The problem with them hiring Lindsey as a consultant has nothing to do with false accusations and everything to do with a seeming lack of total confidence in Nico doing his job.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yea. Whoops... a nothing burger.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/03/15...ennis-lindsey/

The problem with them hiring Lindsey as a consultant has nothing to do with false accusations and everything to do with a seeming lack of total confidence in Nico doing his job.

Why?

Most front offices are 5-8 people. Why does hiring Nico help mean that Cuban isn't confident in him.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Why?

Most front offices are 5-8 people. Why does hiring Nico help mean that Cuban isn't confident in him.

Because why now instead of bolstering the FO right off the bat back when we had publishers clearinghouse? He rush hired Kidd and Nico. This thing slid off the rails and after a year long fall from grace he is adding a consultant. Maybe he didn't want a Harolabob episode and a power struggle since Nico is green in a high profile job. I'm good with whatever gets results ultimately. Just my first impression of it.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Yea. Whoops... a nothing burger.

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/03/15...ennis-lindsey/

The problem with them hiring Lindsey as a consultant has nothing to do with false accusations and everything to do with a seeming lack of total confidence in Nico doing his job.

Well for one its not a false accusation, just cause the nba said they couldnt determine the allegations. He said he said it, lindsey said he didnt. Regardless, its just more of an indictment of Cuban imo

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Well for one its not a false accusation, just cause the nba said they couldnt determine the allegations. He said he said it, lindsey said he didnt. Regardless, its just more of an indictment of Cuban imo

Just because someone accuses you, doesn't make it real. There's no proof and it was unsubstantiated. Are you saying that Cuban is wrong for hiring a guy in general as a consultant, or wrong for hiring someone that a salty player tried to play race card to ruin his career?

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Just because someone accuses you, doesn't make it real. There's no proof and it was unsubstantiated. Are you saying that Cuban is wrong for hiring a guy in general as a consultant, or wrong for hiring someone that a salty player tried to play race card to ruin his career?

lol at ruin his career cause he's playing a race card; yeah im sure the rich white guy is ruined. Comparatively, what was said wasnt even that bad.

Im saying its best optics wise to go a different direction. Mavs are viewed as a sexist organization. No need to add to it.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

lol at ruin his career cause he's playing a race card; yeah im sure the rich white guy is ruined. Comparatively, what was said wasnt even that bad.

Im saying its best optics wise to go a different direction. Mavs are viewed as a sexist organization. No need to add to it.

Ahh let's just be OK with false accusations because 'rich white guy'. He doesn't need the money he has earned or the career he has paved for himself.

What was said doesn't even exist. But what was accused of being said is fairly bad, given that he has a management role and it was peak times to cancel someone's entire life for stuff like that.

The Mavs arent widely viewed as a sexist org. Opportunists see the Mavs as a sexist org when it's convenient. We were definitely managed and neglected by Mark. He killed 2 birds with one stone in a correction with the replacement hired. Each case should be viewed individually and thoroughly enough to be able to confidently justify any hiring. This dude doesnt appear at all to have a history of that type of behavior, in fact the opposite. We can't afford to be fretting over some unproven accusations from 8 years ago. By all means do the due diligence on him but the investigation was reportedly done by 3 different groups.

[sig]

Well they need a replacement for Hulabaloo Bob.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Problem is they did this with Donnie when they hired Gerson Rosas who lasted like a month because he thought he was eventually going to be GM.

[tap2390]

Nico, by virtue of his pedigree and background, is 100% deserving of a GM role. I don?t think any of us can really fault his first three moves which were all ?buy-low? ? Wood, Hardy, and Kyrie. In fact, I would argue that for a long time we undervalued the asset management that he?s demonstrated.

That being said, he?s still green and could definitely benefit from someone like Lindsey.

Lindsey joined the Rockets right after they won B2B championships. Then joined the Spurs in the middle of their dynasty. Then he oversaw the transition of the Jazz to a winning franchise during which he hired Quin Snyder, and drafted Mitchell and Gobert.

Basically, his voice as an experienced exec with elite orgs is welcome, and we should praise the team when they make good decisions. I also feel very good about whatever Nico and Dennis decide to do with our pick should we retain it.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Problem is they did this with Donnie when they hired Gerson Rosas who lasted like a month because he thought he was eventually going to be GM.

I see the bigger problem as Cuban.

You can hire 30-35 of the best minds in all of professional sports.

None of that matters if Cuban comes in and undermines their decisions and plays lead GM.

We make shitty decisions. The managers wonder why they are even there. The team suffers.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I see the bigger problem as Cuban.

You can hire 30-35 of the best minds in all of professional sports.

None of that matters if Cuban comes in and undermines their decisions and plays lead GM.

We make shitty decisions. The managers wonder why they are even there. The team suffers.

...And the fans still buy tickets. :/

[tap2390]

Man I wish we had multiple picks. Lots of guys in the teens/ 20s that will contribute from this class:

High Upside, Raw Guys -- Rayan Rupert; Dereck Lively; James Nnaji; Adem Bona; Sidy Cissoko

Ready to Contribute Guys -- Kris Murray; Trayce Jackson-Davis;



I wouldn't be opposed to trading down. Maybe for 16 + 28 from Utah? Anyways, don't be surprised if we take TJD at 10.

[Zeus]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Man I wish we had multiple picks. Lots of guys in the teens/ 20s that will contribute from this class:

High Upside, Raw Guys -- Rayan Rupert; Dereck Lively; James Nnaji; Adem Bona; Sidy Cissoko

Ready to Contribute Guys -- Kris Murray; Trayce Jackson-Davis;



I wouldn't be opposed to trading down. Maybe for 16 + 28 from Utah? Anyways, don't be surprised if we take TJD at 10.

Remember when we had 3 picks in top 36 in 2020 in what was a pretty deep draft with serviceable players in the top 40 and somehow ended up with about 0.75 out of a possible 3 NBA players?

[sig]

Originally Posted by Zeus

Remember when we had 3 picks in top 36 in 2020 in what was a pretty deep draft with serviceable players in the top 40 and somehow ended up with about 0.75 out of a possible 3 NBA players?

Donnie and RC seemed like anti-draft guys unless you had a high end pick in the lotto range. Cuban seems to want to regurgitate the I don't like draft picks from that regime.

With all the disappointment this year over the team, Kidd, and Nico they seemed to have handled their first draft OK landing Hardy. Sounds like they were going to take him with first round pick but jumped back in when he was still available 10 picks later. While more still needs to be proven maybe this group can actually evaluate and get some productive young guys then develop them to inject needed youth and energy into the team.

Pistons have a lot young guys and if they land Vic I would certainly expect they might entertain trading Stewart with Bagley, Duren and wiseman on the team. They could still land one of the forward from the Walker/Whitmore/Hendrick/Miller trio and would still have pick 31 to use on another big. Wonder if the Mavs could deal the 27 FRP for stewart even if they keep the 23 pick.

[sig]

I thought maybe the 3 Pacers picks between 25 and 35 for 10. Could be some poiished players there. I like TJD and Javier Jaquez Jr. then choose from one of the young frontcourt players like Clowney, Nnaji, Gregory Jackson, Dillon Mitchell, Bona. Utah trade for 16 and 28 sounds good too.

I think TJD is going to have to show some perimeter shot in the combine to move up from late 1st / early 2nd range. He literally did nothing scoring more than 5-10 feet from the basket unless it was from FT line. Man, what he is good at is pretty elite. He must have Kawhi like hands. He throws passes like the basketball is a baseball. His footwork is amazing and quick. Lot of similarities in style to Draymond in ball handling and passing.

[R28J]

Originally Posted by sig

I thought maybe the 3 Pacers picks between 25 and 35 for 10. Could be some poiished players there. I like TJD and Javier Jaquez Jr. then choose from one of the young frontcourt players like Clowney, Nnaji, Gregory Jackson, Dillon Mitchell, Bona. Utah trade for 16 and 28 sounds good too.

I think TJD is going to have to show some perimeter shot in the combine to move up from late 1st / early 2nd range. He literally did nothing scoring more than 5-10 feet from the basket unless it was from FT line. Man, what he is good at is pretty elite. He must have Kawhi like hands. He throws passes like the basketball is a baseball. His footwork is amazing and quick. Lot of similarities in style to Draymond in ball handling and passing.

Would trading down to get 2 rookies signal that the Mavs are not planning on keeping Kyrie?

[saclare]

Originally Posted by R28J

Would trading down to get 2 rookies signal that the Mavs are not planning on keeping Kyrie?

I think it's a hedge in that scenario, where the Mavs would have the ability to trade one or all picks acquired or add a young piece and trade the other pick. I wouldn't see them drafting more than one young player unless they somehow acquired a 2nd round pick because you have to add win-now talent around even just Luka next year. That becomes less and less of a chance the further away from pick #10.

[SMC0007]

I'm having a hard time seeing the Mavs keeping the pick and not packaging trading for a proven big or a 2 way wing. The way the season ended, and saying "we have to prove to Luka we want him here for his career" and Keeping Kyrie doesn't jive with the first step being drafting a rookie. Idk, I'm definitely interested in the direction they decide.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I'm having a hard time seeing the Mavs keeping the pick and not packaging trading for a proven big or a 2 way wing. The way the season ended, and saying "we have to prove to Luka we want him here for his career" and Keeping Kyrie doesn't jive with the first step being drafting a rookie. Idk, I'm definitely interested in the direction they decide.

I'm with you

Fuck that Pick they don't have time to Waite on a project player with Luka and kyrie in win now mode

I'd go hard after Siakam, Turner or OJ Anouby if it requires trading that pick to land any of them

All those guys fit the win now mode

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I'm with you

Fuck that Pick they don't have time to Waite on a project player with Luka and kyrie in win now mode

I'd go hard after Siakam, Turner or OJ Anouby if it requires trading that pick to land any of them

All those guys fit the win now mode

We typically agree on players that would fit or who we prefer. But I think we all know AD to Dallas is incoming. Lol

[DevinHarriswillstart]

We need to get Oscar Tshiebwe in the second round. The guy would literally fix our rebounding by himself. Don't really care much about the rest of his flaws when it's gonna be a mid to late second. When you're elite at something, you draft that. And that guy is one of the best rebounders ever to hold a basketball.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

We need to get Oscar Tshiebwe in the second round. The guy would literally fix our rebounding by himself. Don't really care much about the rest of his flaws when it's gonna be a mid to late second. When you're elite at something, you draft that. And that guy is one of the best rebounders ever to hold a basketball.

I love him and I think he beats the hell out of spending Hardy/Josh and picks to get Bam.

He could go anywhere from 15-45 from what I have seen.

It's hard to say how we'd get him, but at 15, we'd probably want to trade down. At 45, there's a chance to buy a SRP like we did with Hardy.

[tap2390]

I have to remind myself to hedge all these discussions with "if we keep the pick."

I'm ready to be hurt.

[sig]

Originally Posted by tap2390

I have to remind myself to hedge all these discussions with "if we keep the pick."

I'm ready to be hurt.

Why does the NBA wait until May to do the the lottery? They did the tiebreakers so get on with it, IMO. They could probably use a ratings boost for the Celts/Hawks series or the Philly/BKN series which are destined to be blowouts.