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SMC0007 · 06-17-2023, 06:06 PM

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The Pacers, Raptors, and Mavs could engage in a three-team deal that would send OG Anunoby to Indiana, multiple first-round picks that would include the No. 7 overall pick to Toronto, and Buddy Hield to Dallas.

Toronto is actively exploring options to move up in the draft.

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DevinHarriswillstart · 06-17-2023, 06:40 PM

Yeah, here we go with the click bait rumors. Even the Hawks one is weak...like, hey, here is Collins, nope we want Capela..nope...k bye.

There are 100 Mavs might do it deals that will be "reported" by next Thursday.

I mean, I would like Hield over THJ any day, but a guy with 6k twitter followers who I've never heard of. K.

Melonhead · 06-18-2023, 04:39 PM

Beal trade should be illegal

Paul, Shamet and 2nd round picks? And the CEO son connection smh

This doesn?t put Suns over imo but they literally got him for nothing. I know it?s because of the 57m but damn

BPo001 · 06-18-2023, 05:03 PM

BREAKING: The Washington Wizards are finalizing a trade to send All-Star G Bradley Beal to the Phoenix Suns, sources tell ESPN. Beal?s waiving his no-trade to form a new Big 3 with Devin Booker and Kevin Durant. Teams are still working thru framework, but Beal is headed to Suns.

Poor deal for Washington. Giving Beal the no trade clause fucked them. Hard to rebuild when all you net is some 2nd round picks for the face of your franchise. I understand his contract made it difficult to move him, but you think Beal would have wanted to do Washington a solid after they gave him that deal and been open to Miami since they reportedly were offering up 1st round picks. Washington was loyal to Beal and he left them with nothing in return. Got his bag and left.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-18-2023, 05:09 PM

Yeah I don't want to hear shit about this new CBA when Phx has three 50 mil guys and a 33 mil Ayton.

MFFL · 06-18-2023, 05:55 PM

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Yeah I don't want to hear shit about this new CBA when Phx has three 50 mil guys and a 33 mil Ayton.

Taking their shot while still under the old rules. They have a two-ish year window and then that the Suns will SUUUUUCK

EricaLubarsky · 06-18-2023, 06:03 PM

Does this depth chart beat the Nuggets or Heat if they can work a similar deal to get Lillard?

Ayton/???/???
Durant/Bazley/???
Booker/???/???
Beal/???/???
Payne/???/???

They can get some sweetheart/insider deals to fill out the roster, but they will be above the second tax apron meaning they will even lose the MLE so they're damn close to filling out the rest of the roster with min guys.

They also HAVE to be shopping Ayton after his horrible no-show in the playoffs and with so many spots to fill. Then I wonder who will rebound for them or if they'll be the 2022-2023 Mavs with all the scoring and no defense/rebounding. Between that and the inevitable Beal injuries/inefficiencies and I'm not super scared of the Suns.

tap2390 · 06-18-2023, 06:49 PM

Yeah don?t see this working out for the Suns. No true point guard, no bench, rookie head coach, and three massive contracts. Not scared of them either.

Dallas41 · 06-18-2023, 07:01 PM

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Yeah I don't want to hear shit about this new CBA when Phx has three 50 mil guys and a 33 mil Ayton.

Funny how other teams can give up trash or past their prime players to get quality all stars

Mavs can't seem to trade guys like THJ, Powell, Bertans or Kleber for anything

Oh well

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-18-2023, 07:32 PM

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Funny how other teams can give up trash or past their prime players to get quality all stars

Mavs can't seem to trade guys like THJ, Powell, Bertans or Kleber for anything

Oh well

I'm convinced it's because other GMs don't like Cuban. He thinks he is smarter than everyone else.

The key is to hold out for a bag for the 10th pick. If someone like Anthony Black falls, then you should be able to get a ransom for that if you know what you're doing.

Otherwise, you're kinda forced to take Lively. Bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

Zeus · 06-18-2023, 09:14 PM

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Funny how other teams can give up trash or past their prime players to get quality all stars

Mavs can't seem to trade guys like THJ, Powell, Bertans or Kleber for anything

Oh well

You mean nobody wants our four age 30 plus replacement level players that each make well over the league average in salary?

EricaLubarsky · 06-18-2023, 10:33 PM

https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/sta...371659265?s=20

Dallas41 · 06-18-2023, 11:37 PM

This LeBron to Dallas thing might have a 1% chance of happening

James loves and supports Mavs head coach Jason Kidd, who was an assistant coach on the Lakers when they won the 2020 championship. He also credits Kidd for instilling patience into his game.

?Not only has he been my coach, he has been my teammate, as well. Olympics. I?ve known J-Kidd for quite a while. I went against him as well as a player and in the postseason as well, early days in Cleveland. He was in New Jersey at the time, but I?ve never been great at this," James said after the Mavs defeated the Lakers in a double-overtime thriller on Jan. 12.

EricaLubarsky · 06-18-2023, 11:51 PM

Championships

Dirk: 1
CP: 0

sig · 06-19-2023, 09:45 AM

Well, the Mavs need to try to get something for wood. The Suns can surely use him if they move Ayton. Initial report are Bulls may be early favorite for wood.

Wouldn't mind Dosunmu from Bulls especially if Green is dealt. Or maybe Mavs can get send a bigger packaage and get Vucevic. The benefit to Bulls is thye would save the MLE to shop for more if they deal for Wood. Of course this might impact Mavs keeping their MLE.

EricaLubarsky · 06-19-2023, 11:30 AM

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Well, the Mavs need to try to get something for wood. The Suns can surely use him if they move Ayton. Initial report are Bulls may be early favorite for wood.

Wouldn't mind Dosunmu from Bulls especially if Green is dealt. Or maybe Mavs can get send a bigger packaage and get Vucevic. The benefit to Bulls is thye would save the MLE to shop for more if they deal for Wood. Of course this might impact Mavs keeping their MLE.

Maximize all assets. It?s something Donnie f%#??ed up before he left and something Nico has to do because he took over this squad with almost no assets to speak of.

Grabbing Hardy for nearly nothing was good.

We need a lot more of that.

EricaLubarsky · 06-19-2023, 11:49 AM

Simmons:

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"a reliable source informed me that Zion will no longer be on the Pelicans come Thursday?"

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Another source says Zion likes "Houston" and "Atlanta".

Houston - Mavs are in trouble with the potential return of the Texas big-three. Harden/Smith/Williamson/Sengun could mess some teams up.

Atlanta - They'd definitely want Collins gone. Maybe that is why they started that Collins to Mavs rumor.

Would yall do McGee/Bertans and a future second for Collins and the #15?

Hawks clear up the starting lineup for Zion and dump massive salary. Draft isn't important because if it doesn't work out, they are dumping Young and rebuilding anyway. Hawks go for one more big push in the Young era while clearing salary to avoid the second apron.

Mavs get a potential starter/rehab PF and end up with both the 10/15 in this draft to get Lively (a Tyson Chandler starter kit) at 10 and Cason Wallace at 15.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-19-2023, 04:48 PM

https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/new...tyson-chandler

Stein says teams really believe Lively has Tyson Chandler potential. Just don't see how you pass on that.

Melonhead · 06-19-2023, 05:34 PM

About to be the longest 3 days with these rumors going wild.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-19-2023, 06:01 PM

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About to be the longest 3 days with these rumors going wild.

Feel like it's actually been pretty tame on the Mavs front esp with the draft.

Just don't think it'll be worth trading the 10th pick at the end of the day.

SMC0007 · 06-19-2023, 07:37 PM

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Feel like it's actually been pretty tame on the Mavs front esp with the draft.

Just don't think it'll be worth trading the 10th pick at the end of the day.

If anyone but a big is called as our pick, it's for someone else. We could move back, but that's a call that can be made if Jarace is taken before our selection.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-19-2023, 07:49 PM

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If anyone but a big is called as our pick, it's for someone else. We could move back, but that's a call that can be made if Jarace is taken before our selection.

We desperately need a big, and Lively makes a ton of sense.

But you still go BPA. Anthony Black would be hard to pass on if he falls. He's actually not a terrible fit either if we play him at SF.

I mean, I'd obviously field offers if Black falls to 10, but he might be too good to pass up either way.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-20-2023, 10:59 AM

https://twitter.com/Mavs_FFL/status/1671182652227874817

Yep. No team has any interest in Collins. I mean, I'd consider Collins and the 15th pick if they wanted our trash, but I can't see Cuban wanting that contract.

Dtownsfinest · 06-20-2023, 11:04 AM

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https://twitter.com/Mavs_FFL/status/1671182652227874817

Yep. No team has any interest in Collins. I mean, I'd consider Collins and the 15th pick if they wanted our trash, but I can't see Cuban wanting that contract.

I?m not buying that. The Mavs should hop on that.

Melonhead · 06-20-2023, 11:07 AM

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https://twitter.com/Mavs_FFL/status/1671182652227874817

Yep. No team has any interest in Collins. I mean, I'd consider Collins and the 15th pick if they wanted our trash, but I can't see Cuban wanting that contract.

Might as well re sign Wood if they are really looking at Collins

Dtownsfinest · 06-20-2023, 11:10 AM

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Might as well re sign Wood if they are really looking at Collins

Except Collins can play defense and play without the ball. I like the idea of getting the 15th pick.

sig · 06-20-2023, 11:17 AM

More clic bait. Hate to lose Green but seems there will be potential replacements for him at 10 or even in trade down scenarios. I know folks don't like Ayton here but I'd do this. Prefer Ayton to Collins.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba...54ded337&ei=12

Dtownsfinest · 06-20-2023, 11:29 AM

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More clic bait. Hate to lose Green but seems there will be potential replacements for him at 10 or even in trade down scenarios. I know folks don't like Ayton here but I'd do this. Prefer Ayton to Collins.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba...54ded337&ei=12

That?s not a bad deal. Kidd doesn?t play McGee and doesn?t like Wood. I like the idea of Collins and 15 though.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-20-2023, 01:49 PM

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More clic bait. Hate to lose Green but seems there will be potential replacements for him at 10 or even in trade down scenarios. I know folks don't like Ayton here but I'd do this. Prefer Ayton to Collins.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba...54ded337&ei=12

There are rumors of us getting Grant Williams so I?d be more amenable to moving Green if we could get him.

But man Ayton ugh?

BPo001 · 06-20-2023, 11:58 AM

Saw someone report Utah looking to move 16 + 28 (or whatever their picks are) for expiring deals. Bertans perhaps?

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-20-2023, 02:50 PM

Remember, if it's not Stein, Shams, or Woj, then take it for a big grain of salt.

Stein hinted that the Mavs might actually keep the pick. Good. I'm for keeping it personally or trading back for a couple of firsts.

Dtownsfinest · 06-20-2023, 04:00 PM

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Remember, if it's not Stein, Shams, or Woj, then take it for a big grain of salt.

Stein hinted that the Mavs might actually keep the pick. Good. I'm for keeping it personally or trading back for a couple of firsts.

I mean if Bradley Beal got traded for a bunch of 2nd rounders then yeah i'm not trading my 10th overall pick for someone lesser than him.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-20-2023, 04:07 PM

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I mean if Bradley Beal got traded for a bunch of 2nd rounders then yeah i'm not trading my 10th overall pick for someone lesser than him.

Yeah, it's funny how every draft teams think they can move up into the top 10. It's almost unheard of for that to happen.

King's ransom or we keep it!

Dtownsfinest · 06-20-2023, 04:32 PM

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Yeah, it's funny how every draft teams think they can move up into the top 10. It's almost unheard of for that to happen.

King's ransom or we keep it!

I agree. And that's why I would rather keep it because it doesn't seem like you're going to get a kings ransom...or maybe its worth more on draft day? Is the draft becoming a after thought because teams want to win now? I remember hearing how deep this draft is shocked its not garnering more compensation.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-20-2023, 05:00 PM

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I agree. And that's why I would rather keep it because it doesn't seem like you're going to get a kings ransom...or maybe its worth more on draft day? Is the draft becoming a after thought because teams want to win now? I remember hearing how deep this draft is shocked its not garnering more compensation.

It's healthier for teams to keep their picks. Remember the new CBA will be more restrictive...or so they say. Teams want team friendly contracts.

But yeah, deadlines make deals. This is a deep draft for overall talent.

Thing is, I'm not so sure you even take the Capela/15 deal for Bertans/10. I think you aim for more and can likely get it.

Dallas41 · 06-20-2023, 05:04 PM

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Remember, if it's not Stein, Shams, or Woj, then take it for a big grain of salt.

Stein hinted that the Mavs might actually keep the pick. Good. I'm for keeping it personally or trading back for a couple of firsts.

This was from CBS

No team is facing greater urgency to win right now than the Mavericks. Luka Doncic may have four years left on his contract, but the NBA moves much faster than that nowadays. Reports have already surfaced suggesting that Dallas is worried about Doncic forcing his way out after another down year. The Mavericks took a big swing by adding Kyrie Irving at the trade deadline, but it cost Dallas its defense. Now the Mavericks need to rebuild it if it plans to win with Doncic and Irving this season, and the No. 10 pick is their best asset.

Dallas has been linked to Atlanta in a trade down involving the No. 10 pick and Atlanta's No. 15 slot, but Dallas reportedly wants Clint Capela in that deal, not John Collins as Atlanta would prefer. The No. 10 pick probably isn't enough to get into the Anunoby sweepstakes, but that's a call Dallas should probably make. Any defensive-minded veteran on the market is a possible Mavericks candidate. Dallas can't afford to wait for a rookie to develop. It's now or never.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-20-2023, 05:55 PM

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This was from CBS

No team is facing greater urgency to win right now than the Mavericks. Luka Doncic may have four years left on his contract, but the NBA moves much faster than that nowadays. Reports have already surfaced suggesting that Dallas is worried about Doncic forcing his way out after another down year. The Mavericks took a big swing by adding Kyrie Irving at the trade deadline, but it cost Dallas its defense. Now the Mavericks need to rebuild it if it plans to win with Doncic and Irving this season, and the No. 10 pick is their best asset.

Dallas has been linked to Atlanta in a trade down involving the No. 10 pick and Atlanta's No. 15 slot, but Dallas reportedly wants Clint Capela in that deal, not John Collins as Atlanta would prefer. The No. 10 pick probably isn't enough to get into the Anunoby sweepstakes, but that's a call Dallas should probably make. Any defensive-minded veteran on the market is a possible Mavericks candidate. Dallas can't afford to wait for a rookie to develop. It's now or never.

Funny because I've seen more than one rumor saying Toronto is hard to deal with and that they will likely run it again. Maybe that's posturing, but rumors around the trade deadline was they wanted an unreasonable amount for OG.

There is no way the Mavs do Collins/15 for Bertans/10. 0 chance. I'd still consider the Capela/15, but even that isn't some home run in this draft.

It matters who falls too. Bilaly is still climbing. If a team like Utah takes him, then you might get Hendricks or Black. You're in a MUCH more powerful position for a trade or to just keep them at that point.

Melonhead · 06-20-2023, 06:18 PM

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This was from CBS

No team is facing greater urgency to win right now than the Mavericks. Luka Doncic may have four years left on his contract, but the NBA moves much faster than that nowadays. Reports have already surfaced suggesting that Dallas is worried about Doncic forcing his way out after another down year. The Mavericks took a big swing by adding Kyrie Irving at the trade deadline, but it cost Dallas its defense. Now the Mavericks need to rebuild it if it plans to win with Doncic and Irving this season, and the No. 10 pick is their best asset.

Dallas has been linked to Atlanta in a trade down involving the No. 10 pick and Atlanta's No. 15 slot, but Dallas reportedly wants Clint Capela in that deal, not John Collins as Atlanta would prefer. The No. 10 pick probably isn't enough to get into the Anunoby sweepstakes, but that's a call Dallas should probably make. Any defensive-minded veteran on the market is a possible Mavericks candidate. Dallas can't afford to wait for a rookie to develop. It's now or never.

There are actually teams facing way more urgency, the blazers, the lakers off the top of my head. This now or never narrative is so tired. It was ?win now? last season, anddd they finished 11th.

Whether org wants to admit it or not, they?re rebuilding. This team is not one piece away, they are three pieces away (Kyrie isn?t signed yet).

Cuban will never get into the new second apron so the idea that FO will go after free agents with massive contracts is hilarious. We?ll be right back to playing Luka 42 mpg burning him out further.

SMC0007 · 06-20-2023, 08:01 PM

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There are actually teams facing way more urgency, the blazers, the lakers off the top of my head. This now or never narrative is so tired. It was ?win now? last season, anddd they finished 11th.

Whether org wants to admit it or not, they?re rebuilding. This team is not one piece away, they are three pieces away (Kyrie isn?t signed yet).

Cuban will never get into the new second apron so the idea that FO will go after free agents with massive contracts is hilarious. We?ll be right back to playing Luka 42 mpg burning him out further.

We are still basically 3 pieces away from contending with Kyrie signed. We can make noise with Luka Kyrie and a quality big, but we need someone like Green or Hardy to step way up or we need to move for another solid forward.

Dtownsfinest · 06-20-2023, 09:18 PM

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There are actually teams facing way more urgency, the blazers, the lakers off the top of my head. This now or never narrative is so tired. It was ?win now? last season, anddd they finished 11th.

Whether org wants to admit it or not, they?re rebuilding. This team is not one piece away, they are three pieces away (Kyrie isn?t signed yet).

Cuban will never get into the new second apron so the idea that FO will go after free agents with massive contracts is hilarious. We?ll be right back to playing Luka 42 mpg burning him out further.

This team can't rebuild. I mean they could but it would be them trading Luka and Kyrie walking. They are closer to contending than rebuilding.