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Windmill360 · 07-02-2009, 07:09 PM

Ok i'm breaking the silence cause i'm tired of the ridiculous idocy going around.

I just don't see the fascination with Gortat. He is a product of Orlando's huge success this season. Take a look at what teams are offering Ariza and Hedo (I believe it was five years and $60 million for Hedo Turkoglu to Toronto)...

He plays behind Dwight Howard which means that when he is in the game he is playing against the other teams scrub. The full MLE for a guy that put up 3pts and 4 rbs.. really? The guy hasn't proved anything worth the MLE in 2 years of playing. It's going to be Diop all over again.

Underdog · 07-02-2009, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

Ok i'm breaking the silence cause i'm tired of the ridiculous idocy going around.

I just don't see the fascination with Gortat. He is a product of Orlando's huge success this season. Take a look at what teams are offering Ariza and Hedo (I believe it was five years and $60 million for Hedo Turkoglu to Toronto)...

He plays behind Dwight Howard which means that when he is in the game he is playing against the other teams scrub. The full MLE for a guy that put up 3pts and 4 rbs.. really? The guy hasn't proved anything worth the MLE in 2 years of playing. It's going to be Diop all over again.

Wow - I never thought THIS would be your 5000th post...

sefant77 · 07-02-2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

Ok i'm breaking the silence cause i'm tired of the ridiculous idocy going around.

I just don't see the fascination with Gortat. He is a product of Orlando's huge success this season. Take a look at what teams are offering Ariza and Hedo (I believe it was five years and $60 million for Hedo Turkoglu to Toronto)...

He plays behind Dwight Howard which means that when he is in the game he is playing against the other teams scrub. The full MLE for a guy that put up 3pts and 4 rbs.. really? The guy hasn't proved anything worth the MLE in 2 years of playing. It's going to be Diop all over again.

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jthig32 · 07-02-2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

Ok i'm breaking the silence cause i'm tired of the ridiculous idocy going around.

I just don't see the fascination with Gortat. He is a product of Orlando's huge success this season. Take a look at what teams are offering Ariza and Hedo (I believe it was five years and $60 million for Hedo Turkoglu to Toronto)...

He plays behind Dwight Howard which means that when he is in the game he is playing against the other teams scrub. The full MLE for a guy that put up 3pts and 4 rbs.. really? The guy hasn't proved anything worth the MLE in 2 years of playing. It's going to be Diop all over again.

It is worth noting that 24 y/o centers that have proven themselves are not had for the MLE. You have to base all of your assessments with that fact in mind.

I certainly wouldn't characterize myself as thrilled about the signing. But I'm not unhappy about it either. There is absolutely a distinct chance that this is a miserably failed signing.

However, I don't agree with comparing it to Diop. Diop had been given much more of an opportunity to establish himself when we signed him to that horrendous contract last year. His game had taken on a startling decline over the past season, and signing him was an out and out idiotic move of epic proportions.

And given all that information, we STILL found a team that would take Diop off our hands in exchange for a similarly poor (although less poor, for sure) contract.

So even if Gortat doesn't work out, it's not like he'll be a franchise killing weight around the neck of the franchise. And regardless of WHEN Damp leaves this team (and I doubt it will be this offseason) he is in the last year of his deal and we do need to find a center to replace him.

I'm fine with this move, although if I hear one more person say "he's better than Damp" I think I'll shoot myself.

RoddyB#3 · 07-02-2009, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

It is worth noting that 24 y/o centers that have proven themselves are not had for the MLE. You have to base all of your assessments with that fact in mind.

I certainly wouldn't characterize myself as thrilled about the signing. But I'm not unhappy about it either. There is absolutely a distinct chance that this is a miserably failed signing.

However, I don't agree with comparing it to Diop. Diop had been given much more of an opportunity to establish himself when we signed him to that horrendous contract last year. His game had taken on a startling decline over the past season, and signing him was an out and out idiotic move of epic proportions.

And given all that information, we STILL found a team that would take Diop off our hands in exchange for a similarly poor (although less poor, for sure) contract.

So even if Gortat doesn't work out, it's not like he'll be a franchise killing weight around the neck of the franchise. And regardless of WHEN Damp leaves this team (and I doubt it will be this offseason) he is in the last year of his deal and we do need to find a center to replace him.

I'm fine with this move, although if I hear one more person say "he's better than Damp" I think I'll shoot myself.

Would you be happier with the move if we found a way to pull off a S&T with Orlando for Bass and Gortat? I know they can't be traded straight up, but both teams can benefit from finding a way.. We would still have the MLE, and maybe find the next missing piece to our puzzle.

jthig32 · 07-02-2009, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RoddyB#3

Would you be happier with the move if we found a way to pull off a S&T with Orlando for Bass and Gortat? I know they can't be traded straight up, but both teams can benefit from finding a way.. We would still have the MLE, and maybe find the next missing piece to our puzzle.

I just don't see any way that happens. But yes, I would be much, much happier about the move if it were a snt somehow.

Nowitzki4President · 07-02-2009, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

you mean Michael Redded

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Originally Posted by MVPizzle06

I don't wanna get Rashard Lewis'd again.

Oh man. Just imagine if we would have gotten these two when we had the chance...

Just jizzed in my pants at the thought of that...

RoddyB#3 · 07-02-2009, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I just don't see any way that happens. But yes, I would be much, much happier about the move if it were a snt somehow.

RealGM has Bass's agent saying he is up to a S&T to Orlando. It is amazing that Bass would catch the interest of the Magic when we want Gortat. As I said before, both teams benefit. They would be crazy to not even try

jthig32 · 07-02-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by RoddyB#3

RealGM has Bass's agent saying he is up to a S&T to Orlando. It is amazing that Bass would catch the interest of the Magic when we want Gortat. As I said before, both teams benefit. They would be crazy to not even try

I'm sure they'll look at it but the salary cap issues around both players makes it nearly impossible.

BGMaverick9 · 07-02-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

I'm sure they'll look at it but the salary cap issues around both players makes it nearly impossible.

Fish has got a decent idea in that latest article. With Dallas and Orlando as the only parties involved...it's pretty difficult. If you find a 3rd team, then it opens the door quite a bit. His plan works for all parties involved IMO. I don't know how inclined all parties would be, but I would try to find a 3rd team to play ball...preferably not Portland or another West team.

Tokey41 · 07-02-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

Ok i'm breaking the silence cause i'm tired of the ridiculous idocy going around.

I just don't see the fascination with Gortat. He is a product of Orlando's huge success this season. Take a look at what teams are offering Ariza and Hedo (I believe it was five years and $60 million for Hedo Turkoglu to Toronto)...

He plays behind Dwight Howard which means that when he is in the game he is playing against the other teams scrub. The full MLE for a guy that put up 3pts and 4 rbs.. really? The guy hasn't proved anything worth the MLE in 2 years of playing. It's going to be Diop all over again.

You can't really overstate this point. If Gortat is all we're getting this offseason we might as well rebuild. Especially if Artest is going to L.A. Game over.

Underdog · 07-02-2009, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokey41

If Gortat is all we're getting this offseason we might as well rebuild.

Totally agree, but the offseason ain't over yet!

No need to lose hope until we're out of options...

(but I see where your coming from - no point in getting a "Kidd" unless there's a "Maggette" following close behind, right?)

Thespiralgoeson · 07-02-2009, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokey41

You can't really overstate this point. If Gortat is all we're getting this offseason we might as well rebuild. Especially if Artest is going to L.A. Game over.

If we're going to rebuild, then there's no reason to get Gortat.

mavs777 · 07-02-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Tokey41

You can't really overstate this point. If Gortat is all we're getting this offseason we might as well rebuild. Especially if Artest is going to L.A. Game over.

If... there is still plenty of time, no one other than Detroit has made 2 moves so far

Thespiralgoeson · 07-02-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

Ok i'm breaking the silence cause i'm tired of the ridiculous idocy going around.

I just don't see the fascination with Gortat. He is a product of Orlando's huge success this season. Take a look at what teams are offering Ariza and Hedo (I believe it was five years and $60 million for Hedo Turkoglu to Toronto)...

He plays behind Dwight Howard which means that when he is in the game he is playing against the other teams scrub. The full MLE for a guy that put up 3pts and 4 rbs.. really? The guy hasn't proved anything worth the MLE in 2 years of playing. It's going to be Diop all over again.

I agree that he's overrated around here, but c'mon, he is nowhere NEAR as bad as Diop.

destroy ALL · 07-02-2009, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Windmill360

Ok i'm breaking the silence cause i'm tired of the ridiculous idocy going around.

I just don't see the fascination with Gortat. He is a product of Orlando's huge success this season. Take a look at what teams are offering Ariza and Hedo (I believe it was five years and $60 million for Hedo Turkoglu to Toronto)...

He plays behind Dwight Howard which means that when he is in the game he is playing against the other teams scrub. The full MLE for a guy that put up 3pts and 4 rbs.. really? The guy hasn't proved anything worth the MLE in 2 years of playing. It's going to be Diop all over again.

What he said