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cinemablend · 05-14-2009, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Can we make a move for D-Whistle? Honestly, that's what I think it's going to take to back into the title picture. The Corey Maggette's and Mike Millers aren't enough anymore. It'll take an all-NBA first team caliber guy.

Agree. But not necessarily all-NBA first team. But All-NBA for sure.

If the Mavs can't get an All-NBA player, forget it. Forget this trading role players for role players.

Every team left in the playoffs has more than one superstar. Kobe has Gasol. Melo has Billups, etc.

Dirk has... the ghost of Jason Kidds past.

Dirk needs another great player to play with. I think maybe Cuban THOUGHT that was what he was getting in Kidd, but he was dead wrong. Kidd was that player once, and though he's still good, he's not that player anymore.

Shaq. Bosh. These are the players we need or might as well keep what we have.

cinemablend · 05-14-2009, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ghazi

Kidd walking is disasterous though, since now you have to tap into your assets to fill the PG void, which leaves not enough assets to infuse talent on the wings at center.

It does free up money though right? But yeah, sign and trade is the way to go.

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Kidd must be resigned IMO. It is not addition by subtraction if he walks. and if he does walk, the trade will look turrable.

It already does.

darkwitzki · 05-14-2009, 05:12 AM

Question is if Dirk bolted out of the Mavs?

croco · 05-14-2009, 05:51 AM

It's not as disappointing as the last three years were, but the overall resume has to be considered disappointing once again. This is a veteran team, not a young squad trying to win in the playoffs and they aren't close to winning a championship. Dirk is 30, Josh 29, Jet 31, Kidd 36, Damp 33, they are getting up there in years.

Changes need to be made, the problem is that there is not a lot of leverage left. Kidd is a free agent who will probably walk and be lost for nothing which makes the trade - a one and a half year rent - even more disastrous.

Oh well, let's look at a few positives:

- Carlisle has proven to be a good coach, probably gotten the most out of the roster, making the right adjustments
- Dirk still got it
- A healthy Josh Howard can still be a key contributor
- Brandon Bass is someone that should be kept

milannis · 05-14-2009, 06:23 AM

With the Mavs out, which team would you like to win it from the west? Who has your symptathies who does not? Likewise from the east?

Since I post the question, I' ll give you my thoughts. I was going to support Portland should the Mavs go down, but surprise, surprise we got further than they did ; -). For the rest I would like Denver from the West, not because they beat us, but because they play good offensive minded ball. Than it would be Houston - obviously I don't have much sympathies for the Lakers. From the East I like Cleveland or Orlando; I don't Boston.

I realize the topic would call for another thread but for some to me unknown reason I can't open one by my own (can someone help?).

Regarding the topic, I really like our chances against the Spurs and can actually never see us losing a playoff series to them in the future (even if they can play Ginobili). Can we somehow rig it that we always play against them in the playoffs(?) - man, would that be good.

DubOverdose · 05-14-2009, 06:24 AM

We need another "1st" option...at least someone like Joe Johnson

Lor20 · 05-14-2009, 07:43 AM

Jet seems to be becoming a worse shooter- he had 3 excellent years when he came here - 42%,41% and 44% from down town - the last two were 37.5 and 36.6%. For a pure Jump shooter who isn't great on D that is not good enough.
damp has had too big a contract for years
the only way we can make good trades is if people want our expiring contracts. I can see us having to wait until the deadline to trade damp because I'm not sure someone wants him for the whole season for the kind of money he makes.

Pongo · 05-14-2009, 07:57 AM

Please Stay
Dirk: obviously
Bass: decent backup at PF, nothing more, nothing less.
Hollins: some potential, athleticism at the 5.
Kidd: One more year at reasonable contract. [Draft a young PG with the first round pick)
Singleton: nice role-player.
Barea: Nice back-up PG.

Please leave:
George: If george will be back next year, I won't.
Green: potential isn't everything
Stack: basically retired, trade his expiring contract
Caroll: came only for his outside shooting and hit only one three.
Wright: poor shooter, mediocre slasher and defender. no thanks.
Williams: well, well.
Damp: Trade his basically expiring contract.

The Maybes:

Howard: Howard somewhat impressed me with his postseason play through two bad ankles. Would trade him though IF the right deal came along.
Terry: didn't play his best basketball in the playoffs, but was spectacular during the regular season. Trade him, if the right deal comes along.

sphincs · 05-14-2009, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by darkwitzki

Let the Nuggets enjoy this moment but next season should be our's.. For that, we need Dirk definitely and a reliable supporting cast. I see Bass and Hollins staying, maybe JHo, let's put up a tough and physical team this time.

According to me is early to speak about this..but I think that Dirk, Terry, Barea must stay! Then Wright is not espensive so he could stay. Howard had played well in this P.O. but he coul be a trouble; I don't know...
Bass, Hollins and Green must be resigned.
Then the rest could go away...

SMC0007 · 05-14-2009, 08:25 AM

We need to get what we can now for JET. His value probably isn't going to get any better and maybe a team that already has size needs a shooter. He is inconsistent as a shooter, can't pass and doesn't make great decisions. He CAN NOT defend or rebound, he can't even box out. Jet seems to be a great guy but not enough to keep him.

Josh and Damp should be shopped too, I don't like Damp and Jho is risky and unpredictable.

jthig32 · 05-14-2009, 08:28 AM

I said about midway through the season that I was ready for Jet to be moved, and I still feel the same way.

I love him to death, but his unique requirements hinder this team. You can't go looking for a slashing SG to play 40 minutes a night when you have to figure out what to do with Jet.

I think the economy will probably make moving him impossible, but I suspect the Mavs will try very hard to turn his brilliant regular season into value that allows him to be moved.

Stack's contract will be traded for something of some significance, and I believe strongly that the MLE will be used for something useful.

Beyond that...who knows.

sike · 05-14-2009, 08:31 AM

they just need new faces in their top 4.

Sportstudi · 05-14-2009, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by alby

when JET is not making his threes, he may be the worst player in the NBA. With that being said, boy does he make some tough threes from time to time.

Anyways, I want us to keep Dirk/Bass/Singleton. Everyone else should be included in any potential moves that may (or may not) come up this summer IMHO.

I agree. We should try to get something in return for Terry while his value isn't declining. Maybe he team with size needs a shooter. IMO, he's too old and won't be better than this year.

sike · 05-14-2009, 08:45 AM

I would be VERY happy to move JET and Howard if deals of near value were available.

Neither are clutch "enough" scorers for my liking. Both "can" or "could" get it done...but it seems that only upon rare occasion that they "do". And both seem to struggle against the more athletic teams.

vRookie · 05-14-2009, 08:47 AM

Don't resign Kidd. Keep Singleton, Bass and Barea. Get rid of everyone else on the bench. Trade Damp for a real center. Trade JHo only if we can get a very good deal for him otherwise keep him and we are set

sefant77 · 05-14-2009, 08:48 AM

Please stop with Artest.

Houston wont do a S&T with us and he will get in Houston at least 8 mio a year. They will keep him and move McGrady out of town...

Artest loves Houston and if they get a PG and a backup center they are a contender.

An offseason that isnt so unrealistic:
Re-sign Bass and Kidd

Trade Stack+Williams+George+pick or cash to Milwaukee for Jefferson. They have to move contracts to resign Sessions/Villa and to save. Jefferson is overpaid. Stacks buyout for 5 mio is our advantage. Jefferson will fit easy into Dallas game thanks to his years with Kidd.

Sterling goes back cheap and dump Kaman since no one take Baron or Zach. Trade Kaman for Damp+pick/cash. Maybe throw Barea in. If Clippers draft Thabeet at #3 i can see them going for a year Camby/Thabeet and then just Thabeet, no need for Kaman anymore.

Kidd
Josh/Terry
Jefferson/Josh
Dirk/Bass
Kaman/Hollins

I would love Smith or Crash or Artest but i think this might be the most realistic scenario for 2 bigger trades. 5 good offensive players beside Kidd. Fill the rest with hustlers and specialists.

sike · 05-14-2009, 08:58 AM

I like the way 77 is thinking...just seems too good to be true...we ARE the Mavs after all.

dirno2000 · 05-14-2009, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

No. Josh Smith is 5 times the defender Howard is. He's not nearly as injury prone. His jumper is worse (although not too much) but he has an actual sense of shot selection and doesn't force shit. He gets the crowd involved with big dunks, gets easy buckets (instead of Jho ISO step back jumpers) and he's a way better passer.

He's not 5 times the defender on small forwards which is who he'd be guarding here. You're probably just looking at his blocks but even those went down this year. His jumper is worse and his shot selection is worse. He averages more assists but he also averages more turnovers. His ATO is around 1, same as Howards.

Maybe you make the trade to get younger and more athletic but if he doesn't improve off of what he did last year then he'll be overpaid. Josh is one of our main trade chips so if we move him it needs to be for a player that will provide an immediate upgrade. Not one that you hope continues to improve.

sike · 05-14-2009, 09:18 AM

I think of Josh Smith as a less polished offensive player than Howard...but would still consider the addition of his amazing athleticism an "immediate upgrade".

dirno2000 · 05-14-2009, 09:21 AM

Here's the problem with Artest. Daryl Morey is one of the smartest GM's in the league. If he trades Artest to a division rival I'd have to think that we were overpaying him, giving up too much or both.

sike · 05-14-2009, 09:23 AM

great point....but at this late point in Dirk's prime, I don't mind over paying to give our guys one more real chance at a title with Dirk as a centerpiece.

sefant77 · 05-14-2009, 09:33 AM

The problem with moving Jet this offseason is that every team with that need will go for Gordon, the younger version of Terry (i wrote it allready somewhere).

Thespiralgoeson · 05-14-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by dirno2000

Here's the problem with Artest. Daryl Morey is one of the smartest GM's in the league. If he trades Artest to a division rival I'd have to think that we were overpaying him, giving up too much or both.

Thank you for being the first to point this out. I'm really puzzled why everyone keeps saying "sign Artest with the MLE," as if it's that easy. Let's assume that Artest can be had for the MLE. Is Houston really not going to give it to him? I think they'd give it to him just to prevent him from signing with Dallas.

We're not getting Artest. The sooner we realize that the better.

sike · 05-14-2009, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

The problem with moving Jet this offseason is that every team with that need will go for Gordon, the younger version of Terry (i wrote it allready somewhere).

but only one team will end up with Gordon....right?

DevinHarriswillstart · 05-14-2009, 09:48 AM

The Mavs have a lot of good trading pieces this summer. They better use them.

I pray Cuban doesn't over-pay for Kidd. That would be the dark rain cloud of the summer IMO. I don't care if Kidd is retained at small bucks, but the team REALLLLLY needs a young pg. I think Kidd had a good season, but he simply can no longer compete against the West pgs like Parker, Paul, Brooks, Billups, Williams, etc.

I'm actually not opposed to keeping Dampier either as long as it is back-up. I really don't see him coming back though.

I think it will finally be a fun summer.....I see half the roster changed.

horse900703 · 05-14-2009, 09:52 AM

I only wanna see Dirk, JET, Bass, and JJB to stay. Sell or trade the rest.

Dnowit41 · 05-14-2009, 09:52 AM

Their core never changed much since that dreaded 06 finals. This will be the year.

sike · 05-14-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I think it will finally be a fun summer.....I see half the roster changed.

I need a change.

MX425 · 05-14-2009, 10:13 AM

OK, we prob won't get him so how about we try. Worst case scenario we just made Houston pay more then they may have before for him. It never hurts to drive the price up on a rivals players.

jacktruth · 05-14-2009, 10:17 AM

Gone
Kidd

Staying for sure
Dirk-obvious
Terry-more valuable to mavs than anyone else
Damp-contract

Probably in the trade-for upgrade category
Bass-can't defend his position or rebound consistently
JHO-way too streaky for 2nd scoring option

Prefer to hold but will trade
Wright
Hollins

Released, never-play bench fodder, or selling hot-dogs
Singleton
George
Green
Stack-please don't let this man ever wear a uniform again.
Caroll

littlelibo · 05-14-2009, 10:18 AM

Here is JET's remaining contract:

2009-2010 $9,862,500
2010-2011 $10,650,000
2011-2012 $11,437,500

He's not going anywhere...

SMC0007 · 05-14-2009, 10:21 AM

^got any good news?

Dnowit41 · 05-14-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by littlelibo

Here is JET's remaining contract:

2009-2010 $9,862,500
2010-2011 $10,650,000
2011-2012 $11,437,500

He's not going anywhere...

We are F-ed

Kidd Karma · 05-14-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

The problem with moving Jet this offseason is that every team with that need will go for Gordon, the younger version of Terry (i wrote it allready somewhere).

Yea, there's only one Gordon, Terry will go to the loser of the Gordon bidding.

Howard's going to be difficult to move, not just the off court history, but his looming ankle surgery.

jacktruth · 05-14-2009, 10:27 AM

Why is everyone so down on Jet. He was critical in the SA series and put in a lot of points and games during the year. Why is the NBA 6th man of the year such a thorn in everyone's side?

Plus, do you really want Barea to be your only other PG option?

Maybe more important of all--Jet has played with Dirk for a long time. They have outstanding court-chemistry and run a darn effective pick and roll. It's a great option to have.

Underdog · 05-14-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jacktruth

Staying for sure
Dirk-obvious
Terry-more valuable to mavs than anyone else
Damp-contract

Actually, Damp's contract finally makes him MORE likely to get traded - he's pretty much an expiring next season since the last year on his contract is a team option...

Sportstudi · 05-14-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Actually, Damp's contract finally makes him MORE likely to get traded - he's pretty much an expiring next season since the last year on his contract is a team option...

Thus, I think Damp is a goner.... and I'm not unhappy about it.

SMC0007 · 05-14-2009, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by jacktruth

Why is everyone so down on Jet. He was critical in the SA series and put in a lot of points and games during the year. Why is the NBA 6th man of the year such a thorn in everyone's side?

Plus, do you really want Barea to be your only other PG option?

Maybe more important of all--Jet has played with Dirk for a long time. They have outstanding court-chemistry and run a darn effective pick and roll. It's a great option to have.

Well I think several people have given plenty reason why they don't favor him for one reason or another. He is small, can't defend,can't rebound, he is a very very streaky shooter- meaning when you need it it's likely not going to be there. He can't pass well, doesn't make the best decisions. I love his attitude and he seems to be a great guy but we need size and consistency at the SG. His isn't a pg.

Yeah, he may have played for a while with Dirk but that only taken us so far. Also both of them on the court is bad defensively. We need a new mentality and fresh help around Dirk.

Sportstudi · 05-14-2009, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Well I think several people have given plenty reason why they don't favor him for one reason or another. He is small, can't defend,can't rebound, he is a very very streaky shooter- meaning when you need it it's likely not going to be there. He can't pass well, doesn't make the best decisions. I love his attitude and he seems to be a great guy but we need size and consistency at the SG. His isn't a pg.

Yeah, he may have played for a while with Dirk but that only taken us so far. Also both of them on the court is bad defensively. We need a new mentality and fresh help around Dirk.

I agree.

destroy ALL · 05-14-2009, 10:48 AM

in the NBA, you need atleast 3 superstars for a shot at the title. mavs need to do it like the celtics did 2 yrs ago.