Mavs Free Agency 11/12

[Popeye]

After reading the NBA proposal, it looks there's no reason for Cuban not to "go for it" for the next 2 years. No change to luxury tax for first 2 years of agreement, and amnesty could happen prior to any season of the CBA. So.... sign Chandler, keep Haywood (amnesty him in 2 years), pay less than last year in Luxury Tax, and pick & choose the rest of free agents. Maybe we could even add an MLE guy. Good news.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by jthig32

Just saw a mini-thread on another board (non-basketball) where more than one person speculated that the Mavs would amnesty Marion.

There's no doubt that that final year of Marion's contract could hurt, but it's absolutely ludicrous to think that they'd amnesty him now.

Why is that? Is he that valuable?

[Popeye]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Why is that? Is he that valuable?

Yes. He was right up there with Kidd, Terry and Chandler as the 2nd most important Mav in the playoffs.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by Popeye

Yes. He was right up there with Kidd, Terry and Chandler as the 2nd most important Mav in the playoffs.

Yes. That was nice. But we are moving forward now. How hard is he to replace?

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Yes. That was nice. But we are moving forward now. How hard is he to replace?

Given your arguments in the other thread and the fact that Dallas is pretty much guaranteed to be in the LT regardless of whether they amnesty anyone, I'd think the answer would be obvious to you. He'd be damn near impossible to replace.

[Popeye]

Unless he completely loses his athleticism, I still think he'll be valuable for the next year or two. Not many guys can guard Kobe, Durant and Lebron.

I don't think we amnesty anybody this year. Marion and Haywood will both contribute and we're not that far into the LT. The stiffer penalties don't hit for 2 years anyway, so no reason to cut assets when you still have to pay them.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Given your arguments in the other thread and the fact that Dallas is pretty much guaranteed to be in the LT regardless of whether they amnesty anyone, I'd think the answer would be obvious to you. He'd be damn near impossible to replace.

It's a brave new world, my man. A world in which Marion wasn't worth the freight would not be at all surprising.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Given your arguments in the other thread and the fact that Dallas is pretty much guaranteed to be in the LT regardless of whether they amnesty anyone, I'd think the answer would be obvious to you. He'd be damn near impossible to replace.

"The kids are alright," is what I would say. That's that deal we have chosen.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

It's a brave new world, my man. A world in which Marion wasn't worth the freight would not be at all surprising.

Marion just slowed/shut down some of the best basketball players on the planet a mere 5-6 months ago... How far do you expect his skills to drop off in the next couple of seasons? I think 8-9mil/year is EXACTLY what you pay a guy who can make a superstar's life hell.

If you roll Kidd, Marion and Chandler out with Dirk, then you keep the defensive-minded identity of a team that just won the NBA Championship... Chemistry definitely shouldn't be understated in this league (ask Chris Bosh how he feels about the concept...)

[fluid.forty.one]

@DwyaneWade Just got a strongly worded text from the big homie @realtuffjuice haha.

I think I know where this is headed.... And if so, screw Caron.

[Thomas86]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

@DwyaneWade Just got a strongly worded text from the big homie @realtuffjuice haha.

I think I know where this is headed.... And if so, screw Caron.

I whon't be shocked if JJ or Caron end up on the Heat.

[41mvp]

Re-sign Tyson Chandelr is our priority.I very like Caron but this tema can play without him so he is not very important for us.JJ I'd like see him in our uniform for long.Stevenson I love his energy he must stay with us.Peja and Cardinal for minimum.

Mr.Cuban please re-sign Tyson Chandler

[sefant77]

The Heat would be pretty stupid to blow their MLE at Caron, a player stuck on the positions behind Wade and James.

I expect them to blow the full MLE with Dalembert.

[dalger]

Originally Posted by sefant77

The Heat would be pretty stupid to blow their MLE at Caron, a player stuck on the positions behind Wade and James.

I expect them to blow the full MLE with Dalembert.

This. Why would they spend their best tool to get better on a 31-year-old man who would be the epitome of a backup player behind LeBron and Wade and thus couldn't impact their team as much as a new center or point guard could? They're in need of a decent big man and/or playmaker. The only way I could see Caron end up in Miami is if he was willing to play few minutes for no money.

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Corey, Rudy, Boobie and Ian all disagree with you.

One would hope that all these young guys are fired up and willing to contribute. However, as mentioned before, we'd be lucky to have just one of the four play at the level of a healthy Caron Butler. It's also worth noting again that Caron's the guy who'd allow us to limit Dirk's and Marion's minutes, something we'd definitely like to do.

Reportedly, the more punitive luxury tax won't be an issue until the 2013-2014 season, so there's no need to save money now. We could re-sign Chandler, Butler and Barea and still have a payroll that's significantly lower than last year's. Given that we have two more years until the new luxury tax comes into effect, why let a player go for no real reason?

Keeping the current team AND saving money in the process sounds like a pretty good idea to me.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by dalger

This. Why would they spend their best tool to get better on a 31-year-old man who would be the epitome of a backup player behind LeBron and Wade and thus couldn't impact their team as much as a new center or point guard could?

See: Miller, Mike

[grndmstr_c]

One would hope that all these young guys are fired up and willing to contribute. However, as mentioned before, we'd be lucky to have just one of the four play at the level of a healthy Caron Butler. It's also worth noting again that Caron's the guy who'd allow us to limit Dirk's and Marion's minutes, something we'd definitely like to do.

Reportedly, the more punitive luxury tax won't be an issue until the 2013-2014 season, so there's no need to save money now. We could re-sign Chandler, Butler and Barea and still have a payroll that's significantly lower than last year's. Given that we have two more years until the new luxury tax comes into effect, why let a player go for no real reason?

Keeping the current team AND saving money in the process sounds like a pretty good idea to me.

I was responding specifically to the claim that Caron was the only way the team could see any improvement, which is simply not true. That said, of course I'd like to see him back with the team.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

@DwyaneWade Just got a strongly worded text from the big homie @realtuffjuice haha.

I think I know where this is headed.... And if so, screw Caron.

Actually, my first thought went to Caron's competitiveness, loyalty to the Mavs, and desire to help the team defend its title by stomping the Heat again, starting on Christmas day.

[dalger]

Originally Posted by Underdog

See: Miller, Mike

When they signed Miller last year, they only had James Jones as a backup for LeBron and Wade--and Jones had only averaged 14 MPG in 36 games in 2009/2010. A healthy and productive Miller seemed like a much better option coming off the bench back then. Now, with Jones looking like a better player and Miller maybe even being healthy, I'd be shocked to see them add another 2 or 3 for as much as the full MLE.

They desperately need a 1 or a 5 and I'd guess they'll address that situation with their MLE. Caron would have to be available on the cheap to make sense for them. Not that I necessarily expect them to be senseful. A Heat team with Caron and still no decent center or point guard wouldn't scare me too much.

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I was responding specifically to the claim that Caron was the only way the team could see any improvement, which is simply not true. That said, of course I'd like to see him back with the team.

Agreed. He's not the only option for us to get better, although I'd consider him the most likely option with the biggest upside. I don't see how Corey, Rudy or Ian could have as much of an impact as Caron and Roddy's not even healthy yet. Plus, Caron would allow Dirk and Marion to get extended time on the bench to rest their old bones which could be a huge plus in a short season with many games.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

I'd be curious what the market for players like Jamal Crawford and Jason Richardson is.

I'm not really worried about losing Butler if he so chooses to leave. There are quite a few low budget 2/3 type players that could fill his void.

Here is the list if anyone cares...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...eeAgents-11-12

[mavsjunkie]

That's a lot of free agents. I'd like to definitely keep Chandler and Barea if possible. If Roddy can break down defenses like Barea, then I'm all for letting Barea go, but I just like the guy.

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Guessing the Mavs will have 15-20 million to spend in free agency. That's probably technically enough to re-sign TC, JJB and Caron, but I still think Dallas will walk away from matching offers they find excessive. Hoping the market ends up prioritizing Nene (which it should, IMO), and Dallas can make a strong enough initial push on Tyson (complete with an in-person appeal from Dirk) to get him to commit before Denver has a chance to respond. More than a little concerned about how NJ will end up playing things, though. I'll be stunned if they don't try to overspend on a big. If I'm Dallas, I'm putting in a call to Dalembert's agent first chance I get.

Good shot blocker and active rebounder but Hell No to that signing. The 76ers traded him away even though they had no starting quality center on the roster. He was unprofessional in his tenure there with constant tardiness to practice and not working with the assistant coaches to improve his game. Samuel has a basketball IQ somewhere south of 10. He will zone out for stretches if he isn't apart of the offense which is insulting because he isn't any good in that area. He also likes to jack up 15 footers as well. Samuel would find Carlisle's doghouse faster than Haywood did.

[Rick41]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'd be curious what the market for players like Jamal Crawford and Jason Richardson is.

I'm not really worried about losing Butler if he so chooses to leave. There are quite a few low budget 2/3 type players that could fill his void.

Here is the list if anyone cares...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/s...eeAgents-11-12

I saw a tweet or two saying that Jamal Crawford and the PDX Trail Blazers have a lot of mutual interest in eachother.

But then again it could be all speculation.

[LonghornDub]

If given the choice between the two, at this point I might have a tough time deciding between keeping Butler and keeping Barea. Didn't think I'd ever say that, but there it is.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

If given the choice between the two, at this point I might have a tough time deciding between keeping Butler and keeping Barea. Didn't think I'd ever say that, but there it is.

I would choose Barea, as his is the harder skill set to replace.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

Good shot blocker and active rebounder but Hell No to that signing. The 76ers traded him away even though they had no starting quality center on the roster. He was unprofessional in his tenure there with constant tardiness to practice and not working with the assistant coaches to improve his game. Samuel has a basketball IQ somewhere south of 10. He will zone out for stretches if he isn't apart of the offense which is insulting because he isn't any good in that area. He also likes to jack up 15 footers as well. Samuel would find Carlisle's doghouse faster than Haywood did.

I'm under no illusions about Dalembert, but if Chandler leaves Dallas is going to need another center. Feel free to suggest an alternative if you can think of somebody better suited to fill the void.

[Rick41]

http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/11/2...medium=twitter

According to Chicago Sun-Times:

Pending official approval of the new labor deal, Cardinal will begin the process of landing a new contract.

He’s a free agent after winning an NBA championship with Dallas last season and received a positive vibe from Mavericks management at the end of last season.

“I hope (to return to Dallas), but time will tell,” Cardinal said. “…If not, we’ll try to keep this thing rolling.”

[jthig32]

Hard to imagine why Cardinal wouldn't be back unless the Mavs have a roster crunch due to a trade.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I'm under no illusions about Dalembert, but if Chandler leaves Dallas is going to need another center. Feel free to suggest an alternative if you can think of somebody better suited to fill the void.

I think if the Mavs fail to re-sign Chandler they either strike a bold move through trade or they put a stop-gap solution in place while putting themselves in a position to be major players in free agency next off season (Deron Williams).

I don't think there's any way they'd commit a multi-year deal to someone like Dalembert.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

I would choose Barea, as his is the harder skill set to replace.

Yeah, this is exactly the thing that boosts Barea so much for me. There aren't too many guys who do what he does, and I don't just mean on the Mavs.

[b_o_r]

Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

I'm under no illusions about Dalembert, but if Chandler leaves Dallas is going to need another center. Feel free to suggest an alternative if you can think of somebody better suited to fill the void.

Low cost options would be Kwame Brown, Jeff Foster. There is a possibility that the Bucks will use the amnesty clause on Drew Gooden.

Reach but I will dream anyway...Marc Gasol. Not only is he a top-8 center, his skill-set would make it possible to sit Dirk for longer stretches in a game by running the offense through Marc. Since the Mavs would have their center for the future, they could focus their resources on signing DWill the following year when Kidd/Terry come off the books. In addition, use the opt out clause on Brendan to fill out the roster.

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I think if the Mavs fail to re-sign Chandler they either strike a bold move through trade or they put a stop-gap solution in place while putting themselves in a position to be major players in free agency next off season (Deron Williams).

I don't think there's any way they'd commit a multi-year deal to someone like Dalembert.

That's possible. I've noticed myself giving into repeat greed and forgetting about next year's free agent crop. In the grand scheme of things, I don't think Daly for four years at MLE levels would be a bad investment for a team in need of a center. But if Dallas is thinking that they either want to re-sign TC or start prepping to make a hard push for Deron/Dwight, then the thought of giving a multi-year deal to anybody other than JJB is probably far from their minds.

[Popeye]

Does anyone know if Nick Calathes will be here this year?

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by Popeye

Does anyone know if Nick Calathes will be here this year?

I highly doubt it. Not with no summer league, compressed camp and a shortened schedule.

I'd bet on next season for him, if he ever comes over.

[CapitanObvious]

Been a long time guys. Havent posted for a while, what with the new job and the lockout crap. Anyways. Resigning Chandler is an absolute must for the mavs. All else are just secondary options.

[Popeye]

Prediction: Donnie signs AK47 to the mMLE. Total of $10mm over 3 years. Donnie knows him from Lithuania connections and he'd perfect in a zone defense splitting time w/ Marion.

[CadBane]

I'd love AK47 here.

[spreedom]

I'd love Kirilienko here too, as long as signing him made a lot more financial sense than Caron. I'd think he'd need to be considerably cheaper, considering what Caron meant to us early in the season as our #2 option. AK47 definitely can't fill that role, though I would consider him a huge upgrade defensively.

My take on the rest of the FAs from last season: Definitely need to keep Chandler; I'd love to keep JJ and Stevenson (in that order); and Peja/Cardinal are incredibly replaceable (especially if we could turn their roster spots into someone like Reggie Evans -- no clue what his price will be though).

[grndmstr_c]

Originally Posted by b_o_r

...Kwame Brown...Jeff Foster...Drew Gooden...

Hence my interest in Dalembert.

[Spurred1]

Chandler should be the top priority. Cardinal will probably resign with the Mavs, but I'm guessing he'll be pretty cheap.
AK-47 is a good player-when healthy. Now maybe my memory is just poor, but he's struck me as an oft injured player.
Apparently Butler and Wade hung out together this offseason, but I'm not sure what that means-if anything. Hell, maybe it was just a rumor.
But Miami is in need of a center more than anything else. Unless Butler is now a center, he isn't going to fill any need of theirs.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

I would choose Barea, as his is the harder skill set to replace.

Me too. Also with respect to Shawn, he also has an underappreciated inside game. He's a great fit. Caron to me seems quite redundant. I also wish Peja wasn't breaking down so much.