2018 Free Agency / Armchair GM Thread - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

tap2390 · 02-20-2018, 01:03 PM

Figured since we all have an eye towards the future it's time to discuss our cap situation and see what magic we can work this offseason

Under Contract

Harrison Barnes -- $24,107,258

Wesley Matthews -- $18,622,513

Dwight Powell -- $9,631,250

Jose Juan Barea -- $3,710,850

Dennis Smith Jr. -- $3,819,960

Team Options

Dirk Nowitzki -- $5,000,000 if TO exercised OR $9,500,000 CAP HOLD if declined as bird free agent coming off non-rookie scale K (190% of previous salary)

Dorian Finney-Smith -- $1,544,951 if TO exercised OR $1,706,394.30 CAP HOLD if declined as early bird coming off non-rookie scale K (130% of previous salary)

Maxi Kleber -- $1,378,242 if TO exercised OR $1,337,872 CAP HOLD if declined (is non bird free agent (120% of previous salary), BUT cap hold must reach minimum salary for second year vet)

Kyle Collinsworth -- $$1,378,242 if TO exercised OR $1,337,872 CAP HOLD if declined (is non bird free agent (120% of previous salary), BUT cap hold must reach minimum salary for second year vet)

Reasonable Cap Holds

Seth Curry -- $3,939,933 CAP HOLD as early bird coming off non-rookie scale K (130% of previous salary)

Salah Mejri -- $2,795,625.80 CAP HOLD as bird free agent not coming off rookie scale K (190% of previous salary)

Yogi Ferrell -- $1,706,394.30 CAP HOLD as early bird coming off non-rookie scale K (130% of previous salary)

Johnathan Motley -- $1,337,871 CAP HOLD as two-way player (one year vet min)

Unreasonable Cap Holds

Nerlens Noel -- $12,562,797 CAP HOLD as bird free agent coming off rookie scale K where he earned less than estimated average salary (300% of previous salary) (not 100% sure about this because he took QO)

Doug McDermott -- $9,884,982 CAP HOLD as bird free agent coming off fourth year of rookie scale K where he earned less than estimated average salary (300% of previous salary)

Draft Picks/ Roster Spots Holds

Roster spot hold for teams with less than 12 -- $831,311.00

First Round Rookie Hold -- TBD, approximately $4.5 - 6 million

CAP PROJECTED TO BE $101 million --- someone please correct me if I'm wrong / check my math

tap2390 · 02-20-2018, 01:22 PM

Now, let's assume that we exercise all TOs except for Dirk's (as we all know he'll take the minimum to allow us to sign a free agent).

Furthermore, let's assume we renounce Noel, Mcroberts, Mcdermott, and Yogi (we can't afford him, I see him starting for the Pacers next year).

This puts us at more or less $86 million in salaries and cap holds with the first round pick hold, however we know that Dirk will take the minimum of $2,373,466, so technically we're at about $79 million with about $22 million in cap space before any major moves.

Underdog · 02-20-2018, 01:28 PM

Mavs waived Josh McRoberts after the deadline. http://www.nba.com/article/2018/02/1...sh-mcroberts#/

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-20-2018, 02:03 PM

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Mavs waived Josh McRoberts after the deadline. http://www.nba.com/article/2018/02/1...sh-mcroberts#/

I got to see him play IN PERSON. There isn't much else to live for...

Underdog · 02-21-2018, 10:52 AM

Magic's Aaron Gordon could dictate market for flawed class of restricted free agents
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news...medium=twitter

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Another team with interest in Gordon, according to sources, would be the rebuilding Mavericks, who have been eager to find a budding star to fill in alongside Harrison Barnes and Dennis Smith Jr., softening the blow of Dirk Nowitzki’s retirement, which could come in just months.

sefant77 · 02-21-2018, 11:27 AM

The draft is going to determinate our entire FA.

Drafting JJJ or Bagley and you can skip Gordon, Randle, Favors etc. Drafting Ayton or Bamba and you can scratch Capela/Cousins.

But yeah the way Cuban sounded they are going to try hard to add the 4th rebuilding piece to the core Barnes/Smith/pick.

Gordon/Cousins/Capela as "big" targets, someone as Barton or Randle as consolation prize

spreedom · 02-21-2018, 01:04 PM

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Magic's Aaron Gordon could dictate market for flawed class of restricted free agents
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news...medium=twitter

Among guys that I think we have a realistic chance at signing, he's my #1 target. I love the potential he'd have as a pick and roll outlet for DSJ.

Underdog · 02-21-2018, 01:17 PM

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Among guys that I think we have a realistic chance at signing, he's my #1 target. I love the potential he'd have as a pick and roll outlet for DSJ.

Yeah, I'd say the best-case scenario for this summer is drafting DeAndre Ayton and signing Aaron Gordon... Next-best is drafting Jaren Jackson Jr. and signing Clint Capela (I'd also be fine with Doncic if we could land Capela).

mac222b · 02-21-2018, 02:34 PM

Why not Aaron Gordon and Jaren? I think he'll be playing the 5 in a couple years when he fills out.

Btw I noticed Gordon was right on the court high-fiving DSJ after his dunk. Maybe they have a connection? Not that it matters if Orlando is just going to match. But I'm sure MBT values DSJ's input

Underdog · 02-21-2018, 02:50 PM

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Why not Aaron Gordon and Jaren? I think he'll be playing the 5 in a couple years when he fills out.

I'd be happy with that too... As I mentioned in the draft thread, I already think Jaren can play the 5 on defense, while still being an effective floor-stretcher at the 4 on offense (he'd pair well with guys like Powell and Kleber, who play more like centers on offense but PFs on defense).

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Btw I noticed Gordon was right on the court high-fiving DSJ after his dunk. Maybe they have a connection? Not that it matters if Orlando is just going to match. But I'm sure MBT values DSJ's input

Not sure if there's a connection there or not, but I love that players around the league are friendly with and excited by Dennis... That was always Dirk's biggest weakness when it came to attracting FAs, but it doesn't look like DSJ has that problem.

mac222b · 02-21-2018, 03:17 PM

I think Gordon and Jackson is my new offseason dream scenario. I'm prepared to be disappointed. Is there any scenario under which Orlando doesn't match? Is his max 25m?

spreedom · 02-21-2018, 03:33 PM

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I think Gordon and Jackson is my new offseason dream scenario. I'm prepared to be disappointed. Is there any scenario under which Orlando doesn't match? Is his max 25m?

I think his max is 25% of the cap, which would be pretty close to $25M this summer. Orlando would probably at least balk at a full max offer sheet, considering they have a new GM/POBO since Gordon was drafted. I remember reading that they really like Jonathan Isaac and view him as their long-term PF.

EricaLubarsky · 02-21-2018, 03:39 PM

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I think his max is 25% of the cap, which would be pretty close to $25M this summer. Orlando would probably at least balk at a full max offer sheet, considering they have a new GM/POBO since Gordon was drafted. I remember reading that they really like Jonathan Isaac and view him as their long-term PF.

Is Isaac ever going to be healthy? Seems like Gordon isn't in their long-term plans, but there are a lot of red flags with Isaac.

Underdog · 02-21-2018, 03:42 PM

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I think Gordon and Jackson is my new offseason dream scenario. I'm prepared to be disappointed. Is there any scenario under which Orlando doesn't match? Is his max 25m?

Yeah, his max is $25m... Orlando is in a tricky place with Aaron Gordon. He can play either SF or PF, but they drafted Jonathan Isaac last summer to be their longterm solution at PF... They also have free agent-to-be Mario Hezonja, who can play SG/SF, but hasn't really done much in the league until Gordon went down with an injury and Mario started to shine in the SF position... So basically Orlando could re-sign Hezonja for a lot cheaper than Gordon and roll with Hezonja/Isaac at their forward positions, then spend their money elsewhere (DeAndre Jordan is a rumored target). There's also the possibility that they draft someone like Michael Porter Jr. or Luka Doncic and see Gordon as expendable.

Of course, if Orlando decides to match on Gordon, then Hezonja could be a target for us as well -- assuming he doesn't get snatched up during the moratorium.

Dtownsfinest · 02-21-2018, 04:00 PM

Isn't Gordon their best player though? Hard to imagine they don't see him as their franchise player......even though they did ship out Payton for a 2nd rounder like it was nothing.

Underdog · 02-21-2018, 04:18 PM

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Isn't Gordon their best player though? Hard to imagine they don't see him as their franchise player......even though they did ship out Payton for a 2nd rounder like it was nothing.

One thing I failed to mention is that Orlando is already on the books for $84m next season, which means they'll have to go over the cap to keep Gordon. Not sure if a lottery team can justify doing that... I suppose they could try to trade Fournier and Biyombo, whose contracts expire after next season, but 2/3 of the league are already over the cap for 2018-19, so it could prove just as difficult to ship those expirings this summer as it was at the trade deadline.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-21-2018, 04:32 PM

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One thing I failed to mention is that Orlando is already on the books for $84m next season, which means they'll have to go over the cap to keep Gordon. Not sure if a lottery team can justify doing that... I suppose they could try to trade Fournier and Biyombo, whose contracts expire after next season, but 2/3 of the league are already over the cap for 2018-19, so it could prove just as difficult to ship those expirings this summer as it was at the trade deadline.

They might be able to move Vucevic & his $12 mil, but yeah it's going to be hard this upcoming offseason.

That said, I think they could of moved Gordon at the trade deadline & got something in return. Maybe they're planning on doing a sign & trade in the offseason. Rumors were that the only 2 players were not touchable on the Magic at the trade deadline: Aaron Gordon & Johnathan Isaac.

I don't see them just not matching & letting him walk. Sign & trade would probably be the only way another team gets Gordon.

Dtownsfinest · 02-21-2018, 04:37 PM

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One thing I failed to mention is that Orlando is already on the books for $84m next season, which means they'll have to go over the cap to keep Gordon. Not sure if a lottery team can justify doing that... I suppose they could try to trade Fournier and Biyombo, whose contracts expire after next season, but 2/3 of the league are already over the cap for 2018-19, so it could prove just as difficult to ship those expirings this summer as it was at the trade deadline.

Jesus...with their talent they have no business being even close to over the cap. I can't imagine them having to try and sell season tickets without Gordon. They may can find some trade partners for Fournier and Biyombo though.

tap2390 · 02-21-2018, 04:42 PM

Don't know where to put this... Nerlens Noel conversation with Kevin Hart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWzmANFyfi0

Underdog · 02-21-2018, 04:50 PM

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They might be able to move Vucevic & his $12 mil, but yeah it's going to be hard this upcoming offseason.

That said, I think they could of moved Gordon at the trade deadline & got something in return. Maybe they're planning on doing a sign & trade in the offseason. Rumors were that the only 2 players were not touchable on the Magic at the trade deadline: Aaron Gordon & Johnathan Isaac.

I don't see them just not matching & letting him walk. Sign & trade would probably be the only way another team gets Gordon.

I don't really see a whole lot of motivation for a sign and trade -- if the Magic match, then they dedicate to going over the cap and can't get any instant financial relief in a trade since the salaries will have to match. And it's unlikely that they'd get a better/more useful player in return. I suppose they could trade for some expiring contracts bundled with a high future pick, but there aren't many (if any) teams that could/would offer that, nor are there any guarantees that the pick would be worth it.

Seems like they'd be best off just keeping Gordon if they bother to match... Unless I'm missing another angle here?

Underdog · 02-21-2018, 05:04 PM

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Jesus...with their talent they have no business being even close to over the cap.

It's insane how many teams are bumping up against the cap this summer... As it stands, there are only about 6 or 7 teams that can offer max contracts to players not already on their roster without making significant moves to free up salary. That creates a domino effect around the entire league, as there's only so much money to be had this offseason.

So, yeah, Orlando is in the worst spot -- they're a bad team AND they have very little cap space to work with. Which is why there's a possibility that Aaron Gordon could be had... It's also probably why they're focused on drafting a splashy guy like Trae Young -- they still gotta sell tickets, especially if they let their best player walk.

tap2390 · 02-21-2018, 05:33 PM

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I don't really see a whole lot of motivation for a sign and trade -- if the Magic match, then they dedicate to going over the cap and can't get any instant financial relief in a trade since the salaries will have to match. And it's unlikely that they'd get a better/more useful player in return. I suppose they could trade for some expiring contracts bundled with a high future pick, but there aren't many (if any) teams that could/would offer that, nor are there any guarantees that the pick would be worth it.

Seems like they'd be best off just keeping Gordon if they bother to match... Unless I'm missing another angle here?

We will have cap space to absorb... maybe we send them something like Dwight Powell and a future protected pick?

Underdog · 02-22-2018, 02:08 PM

Looks like we're not the only ones thinking about Ayton/Gordon this summer... This pic is giving me wood.

@ArizonaNBA: What do you think #Mavericks fans?

tap2390 · 02-22-2018, 02:38 PM

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Looks like we're not the only ones thinking about Ayton/Gordon this summer... This pic is giving me wood.

@ArizonaNBA: What do you think #Mavericks fans?

Cue South Park meme with Stan.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-22-2018, 03:08 PM

Underdog brought up legit points about the problems with a sign & trade for Gordon in the offseason.

I still have a hard time understanding why Orlando wouldn't of dealt him at the trade deadline, if they were just going to let him walk. They apparently weren't even taking calls on Gordon. Orlando is a joke of a franchise, so obviously they could screw this up, but it makes no sense not to even take calls at the trade deadline for a guy you're going to let walk & receive no compensation for in return in less than 6 months.

Eman · 02-22-2018, 03:17 PM

Don't forget Jabari Parker, Milwaukee might not want to pay the max for him, and if he's healthy? he's worth it.

sefant77 · 02-22-2018, 03:18 PM

With so less teams with cap and some of them with no need at this position they probably hope they can lowball him and dont have to match a 20+ offer

Bulls with Markkanen, Hawks with Collins, Lakers with Kuzma...Bagley/Jackson in the draft etc

Underdog · 02-22-2018, 03:30 PM

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We will have cap space to absorb... maybe we send them something like Dwight Powell and a future protected pick?

Is Powell a net-positive? I don't think Orlando would want to take on his salary/years just to land what will likely be a mid-first round pick -- it puts them right up against the cap, and they're currently trying to dump salary... And if we traded for a maxed-out Gordon, then we wouldn't be able to eat any other contracts in the deal.

Underdog · 02-22-2018, 03:38 PM

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Don't forget Jabari Parker, Milwaukee might not want to pay the max for him, and if he's healthy? he's worth it.

If he was a UFA I'd consider it, but I'm not interested in money-whipping an RFA who's torn his ACL twice now.

tap2390 · 02-22-2018, 03:41 PM

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Don't forget Jabari Parker, Milwaukee might not want to pay the max for him, and if he's healthy? he's worth it.

Give me Gordon if we're dishing out max money. He doesn't have the handles/ sophisticated offensive game of Jabari, but he's a better spot up shooter, more active defender, and doesn't come with the health questions.

Edit: plus him and DSJ seem to be tight

Underdog · 02-22-2018, 03:45 PM

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With so less teams with cap and some of them with no need at this position they probably hope they can lowball him and dont have to match a 20+ offer

Bulls with Markkanen, Hawks with Collins, Lakers with Kuzma...Bagley/Jackson in the draft etc

Yeah, I assume you're correct here, especially with the two biggest suitors -- Phoenix and Dallas -- picking high in the draft and possibly taking Bagley, Jackson or Porter, which would likely nullify their interest in Gordon... It's a good possibility that there aren't any teams left with cap space who require his services, so Orlando can pay him less than max.

Excellent observation.

Melonhead · 03-06-2018, 05:02 PM

My realistic attainable scenario is Aaron Gordon and Deandre Ayton or [insert high draft pick]

Also would love to have Seth/Mcdermott back on low contracts. Yogi will probably want to test the waters, and he should.

I dont believe we can get Capela.

Bryan_Wilson · 03-06-2018, 11:09 PM

I like dougie mcbuckets a lot more than I thought I would. I liked the trade initially but now I really like it tbh. Hope we can keep him for a reasonable price.

Underdog · 03-06-2018, 11:21 PM

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I like dougie mcbuckets a lot more than I thought I would. I liked the trade initially but now I really like it tbh. Hope we can keep him for a reasonable price.

Co-sign.

mac222b · 03-06-2018, 11:29 PM

Don’t we have a team option for him at around 5m?

saclare · 03-07-2018, 10:00 AM

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Don’t we have a team option for him at around 5m?

$4.5mm qualifying offer

spreedom · 03-07-2018, 11:55 AM

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I like dougie mcbuckets a lot more than I thought I would. I liked the trade initially but now I really like it tbh. Hope we can keep him for a reasonable price.

I'm thinking something along the lines of 3yrs/$20-25M is a pretty good deal for him. TBH at times he's looked like a better fit for Carlisle's offense than HB.

sike · 03-09-2018, 02:33 PM

Ed Davis has played some mean D this season for Portland and I believe is a UFA this off season...

SMC0007 · 03-09-2018, 02:36 PM

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Ed Davis has played some mean D this season for Portland and I believe is a UFA this off season...

IF Powell keeps playing the way he's playing, and Motley continues to improve... id Ed Davis necessary?

Luke · 03-09-2018, 02:59 PM

I've done a 180 on McDermott as well.. just hope I don't do another 180.