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tap2390 · 06-06-2021, 06:10 PM

KEY DATES

May 22 – July 22: 2021 NBA Playoffs
May 30: Deadline for an early entry player to apply for this year’s Draft (11:59 p.m. ET)
June 21-27: NBA Draft Combine
June 22: NBA Draft Lottery
July 19: Deadline for an early entry player to withdraw from the NBA Draft (5 p.m. ET)
July 29: 2021 NBA Draft
Aug. 2: Teams can begin negotiating with free agents (6 p.m. ET)
Aug. 6: Teams can begin signing free agents (12:01 p.m. ET)
Aug 8-17: MGM Resorts NBA Summer League 2021 (Las Vegas)

Dallas41 · 06-06-2021, 06:18 PM

This should actually be the 1st thing we take into consideration since the Front office kept saying we love our boys in blue right up to the deadline this year.

The Mavericks need roster improvements
There’s going to be a lot said about this in the coming days, weeks, and months. It’s been a hobby horse of mine going back to the 2019 free agency, where Dallas had the Bird Rights to many players which could’ve created some additional cap space if they wanted it. Instead they either weren’t interested in signing talent or they got caught in the flurry of activity that first night.

The Mavericks have mainly had the same set of rotation guys going back to when they traded for Porzingis and Hardaway in late January 2019. Think about who I’m talking about here: Doncic, Porzingis, Hardaway, Finney-Smith, Powell, Jalen Brunson, and Maxi Kleber. Their two main off season acquisitions of Delon Wright and Josh Richardson were variations on a disaster.

tap2390 · 06-06-2021, 06:18 PM

CAP SITUATION

2021 PROJECTED CAP: $112 million

Mavs Under Contract

Porzingis - $31,650,600
Powell - $11,080,125
Luka - $10,174,391
Kleber - $8,925,000
DFS - $4,000,000
Burke - $3,150,000
Green - $2,957,520
Brunson - $1,802,057
Terry - $1,517,981

Mavs w/ Options

Richardson - $11,615,328 (PLAYER)
WCS - $4,100,000 (TEAM)

Cap Holds

THJ - $28,462,500
Redick - $16,917,810
Melli - $5,066,667
Boban - $4,550,000
Tyler Bey - $1,489,065
Hinton - $1,489,065

If all cap holds are renounced and options declined, Mavs have $75,257,674 in salaries and $2,775,774 in holds resulting in about $34 million in cap space.

SMC0007 · 06-06-2021, 07:00 PM

Cuban isn't going to fire Rigid Rick or Donnie even though he should be highly considering it. They're all too close and comfy imo. Rick's offense is not flexible enough to accommodate KP even if he is capable of more than what he's been. Defense is suspect but so is the roster.

Offer Tim what he makes now for another cpl years and if someone wants him more than that, so be it. No more one dimensional players until we solidify our 2nd star.

2 way players are desperately needed.

Sizeable guard who can create and fn dribble. Derozan?

JRich isn't opting out so forget about it.

Dallas41 · 06-06-2021, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Cuban isn't going to fire Rigid Rick or Donnie even though he should be highly considering it. They're all too close and comfy imo. Rick's offense is not flexible enough to accommodate KP even if he is capable of more than what he's been. Defense is suspect but so is the roster.

Offer Tim what he makes now for another cpl years and if someone wants him more than that, so be it. No more one dimensional players until we solidify our 2nd star.

2 way players are desperately needed.

Sizeable guard who can create and fn dribble. Derozan?

JRich isn't opting out so forget about it.

DeRozan is a good player equal to PG IMO

But the problem is Rick might not be too high on him because he's a mid range shooter.

They value the 3 ball so much that a good player like DeRozan might get side stepped by the Mavs because of the fit in the current system.

Put him next to Luka and you get equal production with Leonard & George of the Clippers.

Dallas41 · 06-06-2021, 07:17 PM

A perfect off season for Dallas would be to reunite Lowry and DeRozan and pair them up with Luka

Fuck the age gap do like Phoenix and go for it now..

BPo001 · 06-06-2021, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

DeRozan is a good player equal to PG IMO

But the problem is Rick might not be too high on him because he's a mid range shooter.

They value the 3 ball so much that a good player like DeRozan might get side stepped by the Mavs because of the fit in the current system.

Put him next to Luka and you get equal production with Leonard & George of the Clippers.

Derozen isn’t nearly as good of a 3 point shooter or defender as PG. Although have someone like Derozen who can create a shot for himself is badly needed on this team.

Dtownsfinest · 06-06-2021, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

CAP SITUATION

2021 PROJECTED CAP: $112 million

Mavs Under Contract

Porzingis - $31,650,600
Powell - $11,080,125
Luka - $10,174,391
Kleber - $8,925,000
DFS - $4,000,000
Burke - $3,150,000
Green - $2,957,520
Brunson - $1,802,057
Terry - $1,517,981

Mavs w/ Options

Richardson - $11,615,328 (PLAYER)
WCS - $4,100,000 (TEAM)

Cap Holds

THJ - $28,462,500
Redick - $16,917,810
Melli - $5,066,667
Boban - $4,550,000
Tyler Bey - $1,489,065
Hinton - $1,489,065

If all cap holds are renounced and options declined, Mavs have $75,257,674 in salaries and $2,775,774 in holds resulting in about $34 million in cap space.

I wonder would the Mavs trade DFS....because I don't see much trade value up there.

Dtownsfinest · 06-06-2021, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Derozen isn’t nearly as good of a 3 point shooter or defender as PG. Although have someone like Derozen who can create a shot for himself is badly needed on this team.

You need a Derozen for when Luka sits on the bench. I like bringing in young players and letting them grow with Luka but I can get behind Derozen and Lowry.....not sure how you'd get them though.

Zeus · 06-06-2021, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

You need a Derozen for when Luka sits on the bench. I like bringing in young players and letting them grow with Luka but I can get behind Derozen and Lowry.....not sure how you'd get them though.

Just like Atlanta adding Bogdanovic, Lou Williams and Gallinari all in a 12 month period

Dallas41 · 06-06-2021, 10:33 PM

Pretty lengthy but a damn good read

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/h...willing-to-be/

DeMar DeRozan: Here's the likeliest big-name 2021 addition. San Antonio could certainly afford to re-sign DeRozan, but they have so many young guards that it would make little sense to do so. Even if it did, reports have suggested that DeRozan has been interested in a change of scenery for years. Other teams would be scared off by DeRozan's limitations as a 3-point shooter, but Dallas, with Porzingis and a plethora of other shooters, can afford to devote big money to a mid-range gunner. He wouldn't help their defense, but adding him to the Dallas offense would help so much that, for the time being, that might not matter to the Mavericks.

For example: say Dallas carves out enough space to sign DeRozan without losing Hardaway. They could sign both to three-year pacts. DeRozan, who turns 32 this offseason, won't get a longer offer. The other older guards available in 2021 are in the same position. From there, they'd assume that Doncic, Porzingis, Hardaway and DeRozan would be their core for the next three seasons, and would simply rely on short-term deals to support them with defenders. And then, after three years, they'd let everyone but Doncic walk and completely reshape the team in free agency.

Porzingis for Kemba Walker. Dallas was reportedly interested in Walker as a 2019 free agent. He chose Boston. Now he's starting to decline before their very eyes, and with Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum now on market-value contracts, they won't have the cap space to sign a replacement. Porzingis is significantly younger and fits their timeline, but his contract lasts a year longer than Walker's. That would essentially be the premise of the swap. Dallas gets max cap space a year early. Boston turns an injury-plagued 31-year-old into an injury-plagued 25-year-old.

Porzingis for Andrew Wiggins. If any power forward could protect Porzingis defensively, it would be Draymond Green. Think of the spacing in lineups featuring Porzingis, Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson. Most importantly, it's a chance for Golden State to take an upside swing without sacrificing its most valuable assets. They could keep James Wiseman and their picks while potentially adding to the young core while taking a swing to improve their current roster, essentially having their cake and eating it, too. Wiggins' contract, like Walker's, expires one year before Porzingis'. His defense would help the Mavericks.

Porzingis for John Wall. Wall showed flashes this season but is not nearly the same player he was in his prime. Perhaps Doncic could reinvigorate him. Houston is in the middle of a rebuild, so would likely be intrigued by the chance to swap Wall for the younger Porzingis. Doing so would also create more minutes for their young guards, and possibly, a 2021 lottery pick (Cade Cunningham, in a perfect world). Wall's deal, like the others mentioned, expires a year before Porzingis'.

Porzingis for Kevin Love. Same logic as above. Rebuilding team gets younger. Mavericks shave a year off of the Porzingis deal. This trade has the added benefit of getting Love, who seems to want to contend again, onto a better team.

Porzingis for Steven Adams. The Pelicans just gave up a first-round pick for Adams, so this one is unlikely, but hey, if they want a shooting big man to pair with Zion Williamson, there's some logic to this.

tap2390 · 06-06-2021, 11:01 PM

Porzingis for Wiggins. Sign John Collins to 4 years/ $112 million. Trade Richardson for sign and trade Alex Caruso. A boy can dream.

Luka - Brunson
Caruso - Terry
DFS - Green
Wiggins - Maxi
Collins - WCS

Some Guy · 06-06-2021, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

Porzingis for Kemba Walker. Dallas was reportedly interested in Walker as a 2019 free agent. He chose Boston. Now he's starting to decline before their very eyes, and with Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum now on market-value contracts, they won't have the cap space to sign a replacement. Porzingis is significantly younger and fits their timeline, but his contract lasts a year longer than Walker's. That would essentially be the premise of the swap. Dallas gets max cap space a year early. Boston turns an injury-plagued 31-year-old into an injury-plagued 25-year-old.

Porzingis for Andrew Wiggins. If any power forward could protect Porzingis defensively, it would be Draymond Green. Think of the spacing in lineups featuring Porzingis, Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson. Most importantly, it's a chance for Golden State to take an upside swing without sacrificing its most valuable assets. They could keep James Wiseman and their picks while potentially adding to the young core while taking a swing to improve their current roster, essentially having their cake and eating it, too. Wiggins' contract, like Walker's, expires one year before Porzingis'. His defense would help the Mavericks.

Porzingis for John Wall. Wall showed flashes this season but is not nearly the same player he was in his prime. Perhaps Doncic could reinvigorate him. Houston is in the middle of a rebuild, so would likely be intrigued by the chance to swap Wall for the younger Porzingis. Doing so would also create more minutes for their young guards, and possibly, a 2021 lottery pick (Cade Cunningham, in a perfect world). Wall's deal, like the others mentioned, expires a year before Porzingis'.

Porzingis for Kevin Love. Same logic as above. Rebuilding team gets younger. Mavericks shave a year off of the Porzingis deal. This trade has the added benefit of getting Love, who seems to want to contend again, onto a better team.

Porzingis for Steven Adams. The Pelicans just gave up a first-round pick for Adams, so this one is unlikely, but hey, if they want a shooting big man to pair with Zion Williamson, there's some logic to this.

You've been a Porzingis fan - do you like any of these ideas?

Dtownsfinest · 06-07-2021, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

Just like Atlanta adding Bogdanovic, Lou Williams and Gallinari all in a 12 month period

Yeah they have a solid mixture of vets and young guys around Trae....but the Hawks had a plan in place. Mavs don’t seem to have one.

Dallas41 · 06-07-2021, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Some Guy

You've been a Porzingis fan - do you like any of these ideas?

The only one I truly like is Wiggins....

Pull that deal off and then go hard after Collins....(Markkenen also makes sense if you can't land Collins)

Moving forward with Luka, Wiggins, DFS, Collins & WCS seems like a realistic lineup that is more playoff balanced.

Powell, Brunson, Richardson and Kleber should all be trade bait as well.

mac222b · 06-07-2021, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I wonder would the Mavs trade DFS....because I don't see much trade value up there.

Problem is he is our only athletic wing until Green is ready. Bey didn’t even look ready for garage time. We need DFS unless we get another Aaron Gordon or Jerami Grant type back. Or a star I suppose.

mac222b · 06-07-2021, 02:46 AM

Kemba is done. They would have to add something to that deal. Nesmith? He shot 37% from 3 as a rookie. When I saw him he didn’t look good at all.

I love Lowry but doubt he wants to come here. Can shoot, defend, get to the rim and even rebound well. He may have lost a half-step this season? but it’s hard to say— weird year for Toronto having to play in Tampa etc.

Not a fan of Wiggins. Would have to look at his defensive numbers. He looked like he wanted to crawl into a shell and hide in that elimination game. Scared to shoot. We have enough
guys like that. I think he is what he is at this point- a more talented but less efficient Harrison Barnes type.

DeRozan may be the most feasible. J-Rich would have to opt out and we’d have to move another contract assuming we re-sign THJ to 15-20m. I like DeRozan as a dude, by all accounts a good guy. I wonder if the Knicks throw $ at him to help with scoring.

quietsavant · 06-07-2021, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

Pretty lengthy but a damn good read

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/h...willing-to-be/

DeMar DeRozan: Here's the likeliest big-name 2021 addition. San Antonio could certainly afford to re-sign DeRozan, but they have so many young guards that it would make little sense to do so. Even if it did, reports have suggested that DeRozan has been interested in a change of scenery for years. Other teams would be scared off by DeRozan's limitations as a 3-point shooter, but Dallas, with Porzingis and a plethora of other shooters, can afford to devote big money to a mid-range gunner. He wouldn't help their defense, but adding him to the Dallas offense would help so much that, for the time being, that might not matter to the Mavericks.

For example: say Dallas carves out enough space to sign DeRozan without losing Hardaway. They could sign both to three-year pacts. DeRozan, who turns 32 this offseason, won't get a longer offer. The other older guards available in 2021 are in the same position. From there, they'd assume that Doncic, Porzingis, Hardaway and DeRozan would be their core for the next three seasons, and would simply rely on short-term deals to support them with defenders. And then, after three years, they'd let everyone but Doncic walk and completely reshape the team in free agency.

Porzingis for Kemba Walker. Dallas was reportedly interested in Walker as a 2019 free agent. He chose Boston. Now he's starting to decline before their very eyes, and with Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum now on market-value contracts, they won't have the cap space to sign a replacement. Porzingis is significantly younger and fits their timeline, but his contract lasts a year longer than Walker's. That would essentially be the premise of the swap. Dallas gets max cap space a year early. Boston turns an injury-plagued 31-year-old into an injury-plagued 25-year-old.

Porzingis for Andrew Wiggins. If any power forward could protect Porzingis defensively, it would be Draymond Green. Think of the spacing in lineups featuring Porzingis, Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson. Most importantly, it's a chance for Golden State to take an upside swing without sacrificing its most valuable assets. They could keep James Wiseman and their picks while potentially adding to the young core while taking a swing to improve their current roster, essentially having their cake and eating it, too. Wiggins' contract, like Walker's, expires one year before Porzingis'. His defense would help the Mavericks.

Porzingis for John Wall. Wall showed flashes this season but is not nearly the same player he was in his prime. Perhaps Doncic could reinvigorate him. Houston is in the middle of a rebuild, so would likely be intrigued by the chance to swap Wall for the younger Porzingis. Doing so would also create more minutes for their young guards, and possibly, a 2021 lottery pick (Cade Cunningham, in a perfect world). Wall's deal, like the others mentioned, expires a year before Porzingis'.

Porzingis for Kevin Love. Same logic as above. Rebuilding team gets younger. Mavericks shave a year off of the Porzingis deal. This trade has the added benefit of getting Love, who seems to want to contend again, onto a better team.

Porzingis for Steven Adams. The Pelicans just gave up a first-round pick for Adams, so this one is unlikely, but hey, if they want a shooting big man to pair with Zion Williamson, there's some logic to this.

Pain.

tap2390 · 06-07-2021, 07:28 AM

Wiggins is an upgrade over KP just by virtue of his position and availability. For the Warriors it might be worth a swing to get a guy who can actually play with Steph, Klay, and Dray while freeing up their logjam of young wings. Also they get to keep Wiseman and their draft pick this year and build towards the future while contending today.

I will add, because KP is the superior talent and they’re on similar contracts, if I’m the Mavs I offer Brunson + KP for either Wiggins + 6 or Wiggins + Wiseman.

Unicorn · 06-07-2021, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Wiggins is an upgrade over KP just by virtue of his position and availability. For the Warriors it might be worth a swing to get a guy who can actually play with Steph, Klay, and Dray while freeing up their logjam of young wings. Also they get to keep Wiseman and their draft pick this year and build towards the future while contending today.

I will add, because KP is the superior talent and they’re on similar contracts, if I’m the Mavs I offer Brunson + KP for either Wiggins + 6 or Wiggins + Wiseman.

Sounds good to me

Zeus · 06-07-2021, 09:04 AM

Excellent article from MavsMoneyball

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/6...ot-good-enough

purplefrog · 06-07-2021, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

Excellent article from MavsMoneyball

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/6...ot-good-enough

I agree.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-07-2021, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeus

Excellent article from MavsMoneyball

https://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2021/6...ot-good-enough

Captain obvious. But this is exactly why the Mavs should be applauded for their efforts this past season. The team overachieved.

If they fail to seriously upgrade the roster, then we will be right back here next season.

purplefrog · 06-07-2021, 09:52 AM

The foundational question that the MBT must accurately answer is "Can the team (roster + coaches) compete for a Championship?". Unfortunately, I am not sure that they see the answer as "no". In fact, most of what we see is "we like our team". It could be they are just putting on a happy face for the public, but it is essential that they (i.e. MBT) do not see the Mavs team as only needing a few tweaks to be a contender. Until they face that fact, nothing else really matters as it is not likely the offseason changes will be adequate to turn it around. I believe that Luka knows this and if they want to keep him long-term, then something more radical has to happen. Radical means trading coach favorites like Powell, Maxi, and Brunson (KP of course is also in this group), letting THJ walk, and looking to move JRich if at all possible. If an overhaul of the roster doesn't make a difference, then you look at the coaches. But first acknowledge (behind close doors if that feeds your ego) this team is not good enough (the Mavs Moneyball article is spot on) to compete for a championship.

SMC0007 · 06-07-2021, 10:08 AM

There is absolutely zero room for mistakes or duds this offseason. Donnie/MBT have to make us unquestionably better. Period. It's nut cutting time.

If KP remains here, Rigid Rick has to become flexible Rick and find a way to cater to his comforts a bit. I think it's fantasy to believe KP will be traded because there's a limit to other teams stupidity or risk taking. Even if teams notice the offensive system doesn't utilize him in the best way, it's clear that he doesn't help defensively or provide any intangibles. We had to rely on Boban to keep us in a playoff series because KP was incapable.

It's an odd feeling to have possibly the best player in the league, but so much uncertainty around him from MBT to the rest of the roster.

Jayinem · 06-07-2021, 10:16 AM

I was just listening to Dan Patrick's radio shadow and he's hearing that KP is unhappy sees himself as a superstar and thinks Luka considers him an afterthought. I think for everyone involved he needs to be traded. Could be another DSJ situation if true.

turin · 06-07-2021, 10:58 AM

Cuban won't spend the money necessary to make the dramatic upgrades needed. Yeah, Donnie's work looks like crap, but if he's only given the green light to make cheap moves around the margin for the most part, then a lot of his ineffectiveness can be laid at Cuban's feet.

The more I think about, the more I recognize that the Mavs have the same problem as the Cowboys. It's the owner.

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tap2390 · 06-07-2021, 11:58 AM

Free Agents

Not Coming to Dallas (unless hell freezes over)
Kawhi Leonard
Chris Paul
Kyle Lowry
Mike Conley

Slovenians Who May or May Not Want to Leave Miami
Goran Dragic

UFA, BUT Do We REALLY Want Them?
DeMar DeRozan
Victor Oladipo
Kelly Oubre Jr.

Playing Hard to Get (RFAs)
John Collins
Lonzo Ball
Lauri Markkanen
Josh Hart
Bruce Brown
Gary Trent Jr.
Hamidou Diallo
Duncan Robinson
Kendrick Nunn
Devonte Graham

UFAs (Including Likely Declined Options)
Justise Winslow
Spencer Dinwiddie
Norman Powell
Kris Dunn
Kevon Looney
Bobby Portis
Alex Caruso
Nic Batum
Reggie Jackson
TJ McConnell

Jayinem · 06-07-2021, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Free Agents

UFA, BUT Do We REALLY Want Them?
DeMar DeRozan
Victor Oladipo
Kelly Oubre Jr.

I would take any of those 3 honestly. We need to start looking past trying to get superstars and these are the next tier. Maybe Oubre is a tier lower than that but he's decent. Oladipo is a very good player and probably best case scenario for this offseason, he wanted Miami though and he got there so unless something changed he's not available. DeRozan can create his own shot even though his defense sucks but it's difficult to find a player that's great on both ends in free agency.

BPo001 · 06-07-2021, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayinem

I would take any of those 3 honestly. We need to start looking past trying to get superstars and these are the next tier. Maybe Oubre is a tier lower than that but he's decent. Oladipo is a very good player and probably best case scenario for this offseason, he wanted Miami though and he got there so unless something changed he's not available. DeRozan can create his own shot even though his defense sucks but it's difficult to find a player that's great on both ends in free agency.

Since when is Olidipo a very good player? He hasn’t been the same player since his injury, and he is injury prone. We have one overpaid injury prone guy. Do we really want another one? Whoever we sign (if anyone) to a big deal is going to be the core going forward. MBT has to get it right.

Jayinem · 06-07-2021, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Since when is Olidipo a very good player? He hasn’t been the same player since his injury, and he is injury prone. We have one overpaid injury prone guy. Do we really want another one? Whoever we sign (if anyone) to a big deal is going to be the core going forward. MBT has to get it right.

I forgot about his injury, I don't keep up with the teams hes on very closely. So fair point. He would have been before injury.

I have a feeling it'll be another offseason where we settle for Wright/Richardson type players though.

BPo001 · 06-07-2021, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayinem

I forgot about his injury, I don't keep up with the teams hes on very closely. So fair point. He would have been before injury.

I have a feeling it'll be another offseason where we settle for Wright/Richardson type players though.

Considering the FA pool is slim I don’t expect much. Will have to wait and see if Donnie can work a trade because clearly this roster needs a shake up.

BigDog63 · 06-07-2021, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Dallas41

They value the 3 ball so much that a good player like DeRozan might get side stepped by the Mavs because of the fit in the current system.

'They' do? Or 'the NBA' does? Mavs have had the highest percentage, by far, of mid range jump shots in the NBA, when Dirk was playing. The NBA has changed since then, but I wouldn't put that on Rick, or the Mavs. I actually think Rick wouldn't mind seeing more mid range jump-shots.

Dtownsfinest · 06-07-2021, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

Problem is he is our only athletic wing until Green is ready. Bey didn’t even look ready for garage time. We need DFS unless we get another Aaron Gordon or Jerami Grant type back. Or a star I suppose.

So I have a different view of DFS....watching this series I watched Kawhi cook him especially in the last few games. Which is to be expected he's a star. So to me having just one defensive guy out there doesn't serve many good.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to keep him. He's cheap and hell I'm coming to grips he may be our 2nd best player on the team sadly.

But that's exactly why I think he'd have some value is his contract.

Dtownsfinest · 06-07-2021, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BPo001

Since when is Olidipo a very good player? He hasn’t been the same player since his injury, and he is injury prone. We have one overpaid injury prone guy. Do we really want another one? Whoever we sign (if anyone) to a big deal is going to be the core going forward. MBT has to get it right.

Oladipo when healthy is very good. Now if you're saying he's not good because he's not available then that's fair but talent-wise? He's a very good player and exactly what this team could use if he was more healthy.

mac222b · 06-07-2021, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

So I have a different view of DFS....watching this series I watched Kawhi cook him especially in the last few games. Which is to be expected he's a star. So to me having just one defensive guy out there doesn't serve many good.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to keep him. He's cheap and hell I'm coming to grips he may be our 2nd best player on the team sadly.

But that's exactly why I think he'd have some value is his contract.

I mean, if Beal wants out and Dallas is his first choice and Washington wants to do him a solid as he’s played the good soldier there, then I’d include DFS along with KP, Brunson and whatever picks we can throw their way for Beal. A lot has to go right for that to happen though.

I think if anything we extend DFS ahead of time. Guys with his skill set are some of the toughest to find. Every team needs them. Royce O’Neal, who I think of as a slightly lesser DFS got a 9m or so early extension from Utah. I think Dodo gets the 11m or whatever he’s entitled too if we don’t include him in a trade for a second star.

mac222b · 06-07-2021, 03:55 PM

I think that any offseason plan should include the assumption of Josh Green as part of the rotation at 20-30 minutes per night. He will help with the defense and athleticism we are currently operating at.

I don’t see any way J-Rich is back here. Assuming THJ is resigned and Brunson isn’t traded we have Luka, Green, DFS, THJ and Brunson with spot minutes from Burke or Terry or whoever else we sign.

Dtownsfinest · 06-07-2021, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mac222b

I mean, if Beal wants out and Dallas is his first choice and Washington wants to do him a solid as he’s played the good soldier there, then I’d include DFS along with KP, Brunson and whatever picks we can throw their way for Beal. A lot has to go right for that to happen though.

I think if anything we extend DFS ahead of time. Guys with his skill set are some of the toughest to find. Every team needs them. Royce O’Neal, who I think of as a slightly lesser DFS got a 9m or so early extension from Utah. I think Dodo gets the 11m or whatever he’s entitled too if we don’t include him in a trade for a second star.

Oh shit if they'd take that for Beal I'd do it in a heartbeat hell I'd throw in more. I honestly think KP and Westbrook would be a great fit together but KP has ruined his trade value so much that I think we may have to do what the Sixers did with Al Hortford and hope for that type of return.

Dtownsfinest · 06-07-2021, 03:59 PM

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I think that any offseason plan should include the assumption of Josh Green as part of the rotation at 20-30 minutes per night. He will help with the defense and athleticism we are currently operating at.

I don’t see any way J-Rich is back here. Assuming THJ is resigned and Brunson isn’t traded we have Luka, Green, DFS, THJ and Brunson with spot minutes from Burke or Terry or whoever else we sign.

Pure assumption on my part but I think Richardson has screwed up his stock so bad that he may need to opt in to his deal.

mac222b · 06-07-2021, 04:06 PM

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Oh shit if they'd take that for Beal I'd do it in a heartbeat hell I'd throw in more. I honestly think KP and Westbrook would be a great fit together but KP has ruined his trade value so much that I think we may have to do what the Sixers did with Al Hortford and hope for that type of return.

It’s a serious long shot. But I do think Beal’s loyalty will be reciprocated to some extent by Washington. For the Mavs, you move heaven and earth (and multiple first-round picks) to get Beal here working under the assumption that the gravity of Luka and Beal means we can be players in FA and buyout market in a way that previously has eluded us. So you’d have to remove the protections on picks we owe NYK.

The problem arises when there is a team with a better headliner that is equally attractive destination. Like Boston, where Beal is close with Tatum. If they offer Jaylen Brown and picks it would likely trump our offer. Or GSW if they cover Wiseman and the Minny pick. It’s hard to tell. I’m assuming they’d want good picks so I doubt we would have the best offer. NO would be a great spot for Beal unless he eats a bigger market. Miami always finds a way to muscle in on deals and are a desirable location. I think it’s highly unlikely to happen but that should be by far our first phone call.