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aexchange · 07-03-2012, 06:41 PM

With Terry leaving and Kidd working on a new contract with the Mavs, we still have the following ammunition to retool our roster (someone feel free to correct me if I'm wrong):
- $8.9M trade exception
- $5M non-tax payer MLE
- Approximately $9M in cap space
- Still have the Bi-Annual Exception as well
- Someone also let me know if we have a portion of the trade exception left over from the Chandler S&T last year? We used a portion to absorb Odom, but am not sure if we still have the remainder left to use

Looks like the Mavs won't amnesty Haywood and Marion is likely safe as well for this season. Given what's been published to this point, Mavs will likely look for players willing to accept 2 year deals or pursue players with 2 years left on their contract.

My plan:
- Try to fit Kidd into BAE (Doubtful)
- Split DWest and Camby with MLE (Probable)
- Try to swing for a trade with your exception and eat up some cap space for Deng or Iguodala (Possible)
- Poison pill the Knicks and make an offer on Lin

Underdog · 07-03-2012, 06:46 PM

What's up with Calathes?

LonghornDub · 07-03-2012, 06:46 PM

I'll be even more upset if they don't make a serious push for Dragic.

Dirkadirkastan · 07-03-2012, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I'll be even more upset if they don't make a serious push for Dragic.

Oh... how exciting.

Underdog · 07-03-2012, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I'll be even more upset if they don't make a serious push for Dragic.

Dragic is definitely my top choice for PG, then Nash. No Lin - let someone else overpay for him...

SMC0007 · 07-03-2012, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

What's up with Calathes?

Signed in Russia I thought.

BGMaverick9 · 07-03-2012, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

What's up with Calathes?

Russia

SMC0007 · 07-03-2012, 06:50 PM

I'm down for Lin, always have been!

Poor Dirk, let him remain in Germany and take the year off while we save money and tank the season for a lotto pick next year, with a side of Dwight (ugh).

LonghornDub · 07-03-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Oh... how exciting.

Does it need to be exciting?

BGMaverick9 · 07-03-2012, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I'm down for Lin, always have been!

Poor Dirk, let him remain in Germany and take the year off while we save money and tank the season for a lotto pick next year, with a side of Dwight (ugh).

The Knicks won't let him go. I would be absolutely stunned if they did.

CanadianMavsFan · 07-03-2012, 06:52 PM

If Jeremy Lin comes to the Mavericks it will make me very sad.

jthig32 · 07-03-2012, 06:53 PM

You don't get to keep the exceptions if you use cap space. It's one or the other.

Personally, I have no interest in keeping Kidd at this point.

Dirkadirkastan · 07-03-2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Does it need to be exciting?

Last time I checked, the roster's pretty empty. Apparently free agency is too, if we're reduced to talking about Goran flippin' Dragic.

Underdog · 07-03-2012, 06:54 PM

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Marc Stein: Rockets w/d qualifying offer to Courtney Lee, making him an unrestricted free agent

Interesting... Houston waiting for someone to field an offer to Dragic or what?

SMC0007 · 07-03-2012, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

The Knicks won't let him go. I would be absolutely stunned if they did.

Well they shouldn't, it would be stupid to let a guy like that go. :/

Imo, Serious misjudgment in this guys talent and ability going forward around here...still.

EricaLubarsky · 07-03-2012, 06:56 PM

We're going to need to pull off some trades, but this team could be very good.

I just also think we need to start considering a time when Dirk is the elder statesman. I can't think of a better guy to lead that transfer of power to the next generation. I just hope we are able to get that next star before Dirk fades.

As long as we lower our standards again, continue to savor our championship but view this team as a rebuilding team. If we continue to compare this team to the championship team, we will inevitably be disappointed. If we view it as a rebuilding process, then it can be a very exciting time to be a Mavs fan.

I also think a full season will be a fun time to see the development of players.

Budapest Maverick · 07-03-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I'll be even more upset if they don't make a serious push for Dragic.

Alex Kennedy (no idea who he is) tweeted we're gonna go after Nash, then Lin, he didn't mention Dragic. I would mad as well, because imo not only Dragic>Lin, but Lin is resctricted, also, i don't think we can, or even want to compete with the Raps offer for Nash. We might as well give Dragic the 10 million he wants, especially now that the Rockets are considering offering Lin a same kind of backloaded deal they offered to Asik.

Jack.Kerr · 07-03-2012, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jthig32

You don't get to keep the exceptions if you use cap space. It's one or the other.

Personally, I have no interest in keeping Kidd at this point.

Kidd has little value to what's left of the roster. He has value to a contender, but he'd be about as useful as an NBA Championship Trophy on this team.

They're one move away from being in full-on rebuilding. Just a matter of time before the topic of amnestying Dirk is suggested. There. I did it.

LonghornDub · 07-03-2012, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Last time I checked, the roster's pretty empty. Apparently free agency is too, if we're reduced to talking about Goran flippin' Dragic.

Everybody knew what the free agency class looked like after Deron. Are you surprised that's who we're "reduced" to talking about, even though it should have been clear for months that he (and Nash) would be the next best options if Deron decided to stay?

Dirkadirkastan · 07-03-2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Everybody knew what the free agency class looked like after Deron. Are you surprised that's who we're "reduced" to talking about, even though it should have been clear for months that he (and Nash) would be the next best options if Deron decided to stay?

Seems to me that there's not really anything to talk about at all.

LonghornDub · 07-03-2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Alex Kennedy (no idea who he is) tweeted we're gonna go after Nash, then Lin, he didn't mention Dragic. I would mad as well, because imo not only Dragic>Lin, but Lin is resctricted, also, i don't think we can, or even want to compete with the Raps offer for Nash. We might as well give Dragic the 10 million he wants, especially now that the Rockets are considering offering Lin a same kind of backloaded deal they offered to Asik.

He just tweeted that they'd go after Dragic too. I see some people disagreeing about this on twitter, but I prefer him to Nash.

antoinewalker · 07-03-2012, 07:01 PM

the only life after deron is dragic.

if we get dragic, we'll make it to the WCF. you heard it here first.

Alykhan04 · 07-03-2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by antoinewalker

the only life after deron is dragic.

if we get dragic, we'll make it to the WCF. you heard it here first.

- Antoine Walker.

SMC0007 · 07-03-2012, 07:02 PM

Why is Nash even being mentioned?? Toronto offered a nice deal that we need not approach. We don't have TY or anyone else back there helping on defense. Nash can't defend worth a lick and has back issues for god knows how long. People get real.

Budapest Maverick · 07-03-2012, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Last time I checked, the roster's pretty empty. Apparently free agency is too, if we're reduced to talking about Goran flippin' Dragic.

Come on, the kid has potential. He averaged like 16/8 for what, 40 games after he became a starter? On excellent percentages i might add. He's a gamble of course, but we might as well roll the dice at this point, we can't do a total rebuild, so that's the only way.

LonghornDub · 07-03-2012, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirkadirkastan

Seems to me that there's not really anything to talk about at all.

Then leave? Your take makes no sense. "Hey, we didn't get who we wanted, so let's not talk at all about all the other decisions that have to be made."

Ok? Sorry you feel that way. Nobody's forcing you to participate.

SMC0007 · 07-03-2012, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Budapest Maverick

Come on, the kid has potential. He averaged like 16/8 for what, 40 games after he became a starter? On excellent percentages i might add. He's a gamble of course, but we might as well roll the dice at this point, we can't do a total rebuild, so that's the only way.

Sure we have to roll the dice. Start thinking ahead and looking for potential and stop looking at yesterdays news.

Alykhan04 · 07-03-2012, 07:06 PM

YouTube has convinced me Dragic is the next Nash.

markus1234 · 07-03-2012, 07:09 PM

Dragic is a "5th best player on a championship team".

Now all we need are 3 guys, better than him...(+Dirk)

Budapest Maverick · 07-03-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack.Kerr

Kidd has little value to what's left of the roster. He has value to a contender, but he'd be about as useful as an NBA Championship Trophy on this team.

They're one move away from being in full-on rebuilding. Just a matter of time before the topic of amnestying Dirk is suggested. There. I did it.

A little off topic, but i really don't think Cuban will actually ever do a "proper" rebuild, just blowing up the whole roster, and suck for talent. He's just not that guy.

Ninkobei · 07-03-2012, 07:10 PM

Let's not panic. Is there any way to acquire a few good young players and just throw them in a pot with Dirk and see if it works out?

LonghornDub · 07-03-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninkobei

Let's not panic. Is there any way to acquire a few good young players and just throw them in a pot with Dirk and see if it works out?

If they can find a way to add a few young guys while also maintaining flexibility to offer a max K next summer, that would be great. Not Deron great, but great considering.

Alykhan04 · 07-03-2012, 07:12 PM

What's the status of Hibbert? Is he planning on signing the offer sheet from Portland? Would using the amnesty clause on Haywood allow us to potentially sign both Hibbert and Dragic?

Budapest Maverick · 07-03-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninkobei

Let's not panic. Is there any way to acquire a few good young players and just throw them in a pot with Dirk and see if it works out?

Our problem is, those guys already got offers. If i'm not mistaken, Batum got a big offer from the Wolves, Asik got the Rockets deal, Hibbert got a max offer from Portland (not that this matters, Pacers will almost certainly match), Wallace got a huge deal from the Nets, the Suns considering offering the max to Gordon, those were the guys (with Deron of course) that could have been our difference makers next year. Maybe we should try to get into the Hawks' firesale? Problem Smith would be a terrible fit, and i guess they don't want to move Horford, not that we have any decent trade chip besides Dirk, really...

That's also one of our problems right now. Still, gotta have faith in Donnie and Mark.

Underdog · 07-03-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Alykhan04

What's the status of Hibbert? Is he planning on signing the offer sheet from Portland? Would using the amnesty clause on Haywood allow us to potentially sign both Hibbert and Dragic?

I was just thinking that - Dragic & Hibbert would probably cost a bit less than Deron and Haywood, so use that cap space and amnesty clause to get the best PG and center left on the market, then rebuild from there...

dude1394 · 07-03-2012, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

We're going to need to pull off some trades, but this team could be very good.

I just also think we need to start considering a time when Dirk is the elder statesman. I can't think of a better guy to lead that transfer of power to the next generation. I just hope we are able to get that next star before Dirk fades.

As long as we lower our standards again, continue to savor our championship but view this team as a rebuilding team. If we continue to compare this team to the championship team, we will inevitably be disappointed. If we view it as a rebuilding process, then it can be a very exciting time to be a Mavs fan.

I also think a full season will be a fun time to see the development of players.

Shoot me.

LonghornDub · 07-03-2012, 07:16 PM

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Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Mavs' PG priorities from here, sources say, are Nash and Jeremy Lin and re-signing J-Kidd. Team has not yet decided if it'll pursue Dragic

Bad priorities IMO. I don't see J-Kidd as a fit here anymore, and I've already said my piece about the other PGs.

Dirkadirkastan · 07-03-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Then leave? Your take makes no sense. "Hey, we didn't get who we wanted, so let's not talk at all about all the other decisions that have to be made."

Ok? Sorry you feel that way. Nobody's forcing you to participate.

I'm saying this team has embarked on a long journey to nowhere. It's something to keep in mind while you work out the details.

Budapest Maverick · 07-03-2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I was just thinking that - Dragic & Hibbert would probably cost a bit less than Deron and Haywood, so use that cap space and amnesty clause to get the best PG and center left on the market, then rebuild from there...

If i'm not mistaken every report indicates Pacers will match. But i guess it can't hurt. But theoretically, could we still offer a contract to Asik too? Nobody can sign anything until the 11th, right? So i guess, everybody's still game? Batum, Gordon, Asik, Hibbert?

ibivibiv · 07-03-2012, 07:18 PM

^ BOOM this!!!!!! Best move I agree