The "Dwight Howard to the Mavs" Info Thread v.2012-2013

[MascisMan]

Nash
Kobe
Jamison
Gasol
Howard

Yikes.

[nowhereman]

At least we have 2011.

Hope that team fizzles out like the 2004 Lakers with GP/Kobe/Malone/Shaq, but I doubt it.

[nowhereman]

All it takes after all this is just for Orlando to get back Afflalo, Harrington, and Vucevic.

[EricaLubarsky]

I actually think the new Lakers are actually pretty scary without Kobe and probably better without him. With Kobe? The team just jacks up shots and wins/loses based on Kobe's selfish (and often ill-advised) shooting. Nash+ a post defender= one scary combo.

Nash/Gasol/Dwight is a scary combo. Dwight anchors the defense and Dwight's total lack of offense won't be an issue with Nash running point. Gasol is a decent PF with some mid-range and some post moves. If he ever grows some balls, that will be a pretty decent team.

Dwight
Pau
World-Peace
Kobe
Nash

Looks like half a 2009 allstar team.

[nowhereman]

Originally Posted by MascisMan

Nash
Kobe
Jamison
Gasol
Howard

Yikes.

Not as scary as Miami to me. Older guys with some major defensive weaknesses. Even with veterans like that it's going to take some time to figure out. And how are all the guys going to react to Kobe's hero-ball?

[Underdog]

Why do teams always bend over backwards to make the Lakers better?

[nowhereman]

shut it down.

let's go home.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Why do teams always bend over backwards to make the Lakers better?

Am I missing something? Why would Orlando do that deal?

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by MascisMan

Nash
Kobe
Jamison
Gasol
Howard

Yikes.

Jamison (and I guess World Peace) are shells of their former selves. Even in his prime, Jamison was an offense-only guy with a decent total-package on offense. The guy just has no hope of defending SFs when he can barely defend the PF position. Dwight will be nice but Jamison will be a defensive liability.

Still, he'll be scary for the Lakers with Nash running things and Dwight defending the middle. I predict he'll get some looks as 6th man of the year.

[fluid.forty.one]

Welp...

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Why do teams always bend over backwards to make the Lakers better?

Looks like they bent over forwards.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Welp...

...see ya later!

[EricaLubarsky]

We'd still be competing for our third championship if we only had

Chandler 3yrs/42mill
Nowitzki 2yrs/44mill
Marion 2yrs/18mill
Barea 2yrs/9.2mill
Terry 3yrs/15mill
Boobs 1yr/2.2mill
DoJo 1yr/1.3mill
Wright 1yr/1mill
-----------------
58mill (the cap) this year.

Maybe Kidd again. Coulda had Collison and Jones.

Oh well, I guess Johnny Capspace beats the guaranteed championships we would have had with that squad last year and this.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

That's just how they operate. They ALWAYS find a way to get what they want.

It is truly bizarre how teams around the league continue to help the Lakers facilitate good deals for themselves when equally viable (or sometimes even better) deals not involving the Lakers are available.

[LonghornDub]

"If Los Angeles doesn't work out for Dwight, Dallas will be there waiting for him," the source told Stein.

Yeah....right. He's staying in LA.

[ibivibiv]

Yeah scratch Howard off the list..... hmmm let's see now, who else is there? Maybe we can trade for Chandler back LOL?????? That would be kinda funny actually. Silly Cuban, Shark Tanks for kids!!! LOL. Seriously though I can't see Bynum staying in Philly. Maybe we can pick him up?

[sefant77]

Dwight will stay in LA with Nash ansd sun and plenty of bitches around him.

I guess Bynum is our 2013 target then

[Bayliss]

If that trade goes down... I'm glad the Mavs won a ring before Dirk retired.

[Bayliss]

I just have to repost this line:

Looks like the league just got Mitchslapped.

[chumdawg]

Is Howard really that much better than Bynum? I know that Bynum is a bitch, too...but still.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Is Howard really that much better than Bynum? I know that Bynum is a bitch, too...but still.

He's quite a bit better. "That much"? I dunno. Perhaps not.

I'd be tempted to say that, with the uncertainty w/ Howard's back, maybe it's closer than people might think. But then again, Bynum's had his own history of injury issues....

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

It is truly bizarre how teams around the league continue to help the Lakers facilitate good deals for themselves when equally viable (or sometimes even better) deals not involving the Lakers are available.

The only thing I can think of, which is ridiculously flawed, is the rising tide lifts all boats.

[Bayliss]

Is Howard really that much better than Bynum? I know that Bynum is a bitch, too...but still.

Offensively? Not really. But defensively? World's better. Howard is a shot intimidator around the rim. And with Pau's already length and his own shot blocking ability... throw in MWP's perimeter defense and Kobe's perimeter defense... you are looking at one formidable defensive group.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

The only thing I can think of, which is ridiculously flawed, is the rising tide lifts all boats.

If one is the kind of person to believe in conspiracies, that's actually not at all a bad theory.

Myself, I think a lot more is made of Lakers trades than they are worth. They have, and have had, a big payroll, a lot of attractive trade assets, a desire to win, and a willingness to take on even more salary. That's exactly the kind of team that is going to be a player when big names come up for trade.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Myself, I think a lot more is made of Lakers trades than they are worth. They have, and have had, a big payroll, a lot of attractive trade assets, a desire to win, and a willingness to take on even more salary. That's exactly the kind of team that is going to be a player when big names come up for trade.

That's true in general, but it doesn't explain very well why why teams consistently deal with the Lakers when comparable or better packages are available.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by LonghornDub

That's true in general, but it doesn't explain very well why why teams consistently deal with the Lakers when comparable or better packages are available.

I guess we would have to be sure we knew that those packages were indeed available. Can't believe everything you read, and all that. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if some GM's/owners didn't have the balls to pull off some of those deals, after all. I mean, we always hear that these trades are very complicated things that take a long time to pull off, and that most of them that are discussed never come to fruition.

Again, who knows. But something like the above is a lot more reasonable to me than the notion that teams would make some sacrifice of their own best interests in order to help the Lakers--or any other team, for that matter.

[Underdog]

Sources: Dwight Howard to Lakers

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/82...-deal-complete

A four-team trade that would send Dwight Howard to the Los Angeles Lakers is complete, multiple sources told ESPN on Thursday night.

A source with direct knowledge of the talks told ESPN.com's Marc Stein the Lakers will receive Howard, the Denver Nuggets will acquire Andre Iguodala, the 76ers will receive Andrew Bynum and Jason Richardson, and the Magic will get Arron Afflalo, Al Harrington, Nikola Vucevic and one protected future first-round pick from each of the three teams.

In addition, the Magic will be getting other pieces, including 76ers No. 1 draft pick Moe Harkless, a source told Stein.

Sources close to the process told Stein and ESPNLosAngeles.com's Ramona Shelburne that a trade call with the league office has been scheduled for Friday to secure the necessary NBA approval to make the deal official.

Lakers forward Pau Gasol had been in and out of talks, sources told Shelburne, before ultimately being excluded.

One source briefed on Howard's plans told Stein the All-Star center will indeed stand firm on his intent to play out the 2012-13 season without extending his contract so he can become a free agent on July 1, 2013. Going that route will enable Howard to decide how comfortable he is in Los Angeles before deciding whether to re-sign with the Lakers or join the Dallas Mavericks, who will have the requisite salary-cap space to sign Howard and remain one of his preferred destinations from his original list of three teams (Brooklyn Nets, Lakers and Mavericks).

"If Los Angeles doesn't work out for Dwight, Dallas will be there waiting for him," the source told Stein.

One source close to Kobe Bryant, meanwhile, told Stein the Lakers' star was estatic Thursday night upon hearing that Los Angeles was able to complete such a significant transaction without surrendering Gasol. Bryant is with Team USA at the London Olympics.

Sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard that Philadelphia has not spoken to Bynum or his representatives, and has no assurances he will sign a long-term extension with the team.

"The Sixers are willing to take a shot (without Bynum's commitment)," one source said.

Although Bynum signing an extension with the 76ers is not out of the question, according to a source, his stance all summer has been he only will sign an extension with the Lakers.

Bynum, who grew up about an hour away from Philadelphia in Plainsboro, N.J., could sign a three-year, $60 million extension this season or wait to become a free agent after the season and be eligible for a five-year, $102 million deal.

Earlier Thursday, Yahoo! Sports, citing sources, reported that talks of a four-team trade involving Howard have taken place this week and have "grown serious."

Near the end of July, Howard met with Magic general manager Rob Hennigan and reiterated his desire to be traded, and if he isn't, would leave the team as a free agent after next season.

The Lakers' position on Howard had remained relatively unchanged for the past few months, league sources familiar with the situation told ESPNLosAngeles.com. The Lakers always had been willing to trade for Howard without assurances he'd re-sign with them after the season, believing that once Howard experienced a championship culture, he would want to stay.

[mavsjunkie]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Why do teams always bend over backwards to make the Lakers better?

This is the argument I was having with my Brother-in-law just a few minutes ago, and he's a Lakers fan. I told him that everyone wants to go to either the Lakers, or Boston, etc.

I hate the NBA the way it's set up. It's set up to accommodate just a few teams. I'll bet this, if Durant never wins before his contract is up, he'll be trying to join forces with the Lakers, or Boston or teams like that.

I just wish that the NBA would spread the talent out. Make it like the NFL which is the greatest sport on earth in my opinion (Soccer for others) and it continues to be because they don't cater to specific teams.

**** the NBA.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

If one is the kind of person to believe in conspiracies, that's actually not at all a bad theory.

Myself, I think a lot more is made of Lakers trades than they are worth. They have, and have had, a big payroll, a lot of attractive trade assets, a desire to win, and a willingness to take on even more salary. That's exactly the kind of team that is going to be a player when big names come up for trade.

The Gasol trade still smells like ass:

The thing that really stunk with the Gasol deal was that the grizzlies asked over months for half of the Bulls S5 and picks etc just to trade Gasol months later over night (!!! no rumors, no putting him back on the market etc) for an expiring and the draft rights to Marc - who was a talented slightly overweight euro prospect and no one knew if the could really survive in the NBA). On top the Grizzlies had Cardinals **** contract and the Lakers had other expirings to absorb Cardinal but they didnt include him in the deal!

[Underdog]

Good thing Chris Kaman can operate away from the paint - Dwight Howard won't be able to stop us!

(yeah, I'm grasping at straws here...)

[sefant77]

Camps just starting in two months. Two more months for Hennigan to search better deals or try to lure Morey into giving up Lamb or the Raps pick.

He also knew after dec 15 he can trade any day Dwight/Jrich for Kaman/Mayo/Roddy/Collison....

I dont get why now...for this crap

[4Dirk1Nowitzki]

I'm not worried one bit. Dirk and Kaman can both pull Howard out of the paint. I can't wait for opening night.

[BGMaverick9]

Houston is F'ed.

[grbh]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

We'd still be competing for our third championship if we only had

Chandler 3yrs/42mill
Nowitzki 2yrs/44mill
Marion 2yrs/18mill
Barea 2yrs/9.2mill
Terry 3yrs/15mill
Boobs 1yr/2.2mill
DoJo 1yr/1.3mill
Wright 1yr/1mill
-----------------
58mill (the cap) this year.

Maybe Kidd again. Coulda had Collison and Jones.

Oh well, I guess Johnny Capspace beats the guaranteed championships we would have had with that squad last year and this.

Damn we had guarantred champioships. Hell a threepeet. We did blow it.

[Underdog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uCS-CkM26g

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Houston is F'ed.

Seriously. And we feel like we have it bad.....

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

I guess we would have to be sure we knew that those packages were indeed available. Can't believe everything you read, and all that. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if some GM's/owners didn't have the balls to pull off some of those deals, after all. I mean, we always hear that these trades are very complicated things that take a long time to pull off, and that most of them that are discussed never come to fruition.

Again, who knows. But something like the above is a lot more reasonable to me than the notion that teams would make some sacrifice of their own best interests in order to help the Lakers--or any other team, for that matter.

I definitely agree that teams aren't knowingly sacrificing their own interests to help out the Lakers. That's why it's so fascinating to me.

There are probably several things at work here, but one possibility is just that the Lakers have had some particularly adept negotiators in their FO positions, specifically at GM. We certainly can't assume that all NBA GM's are created equal in terms of their ability to persuade others. Some people are just naturally better at getting what they want in an arms-length transaction.

[Bayliss]

Yeah, I just don't get the love affair that teams in the NBA have with the Lakers regarding trades.

Team X has Sammy Superstar. Team X wants to trade him. All the other teams start inquiring about possible scenarios. Team X squawks about having to have other superstars and lots of draft picks. The Lakers call Team X up. Team X trades Sammy Superstar to the Lakers for literally sh*t.

[grndmstr_c]

Wow. What a great trade for Orlando.

[sefant77]

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