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DevinHarriswillstart · 12-13-2023, 06:36 PM

Our other additions are nice, but if that guy keeps improving, then we're pretty legit. Some of the things he does on defense is shocking for a 19 year old.

EricaLubarsky · 12-13-2023, 07:51 PM

His defense is so raw. He really needs to improve and had a lot of room to.

That said, it?s been 13 years since we?ve had someone so skilled and with that much potential. Since I started watching in 2000, we?ve had someone like him once? in 2011.

Love his energy and personality. Love that Kidd trusts him. Love watching him improve.

SMC0007 · 12-13-2023, 08:49 PM

In the last 5 games he's snagged 16 rebounds twice. I'd like to see him average double digit rebs per this season.

Having a mobile athletic center changes things a lot. When he catches lobs, it ignites the team and crowd. Huge momentum plays while not having the ball that much. Its crazy to think that we have gone 12 years without this type of big when our franchise played its best basketball ever with one.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-13-2023, 11:14 PM

Really don't think Lively is that raw on defense. Sure, he makes rookie mistakes, but he has high IQ stuff like the way he defended Lebron attacking the rim. He always has his hands in the cookie jar with regards to knowing where the ball is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuLt...l=FLHighlights

Does things defensively that 10 year vets don't do.

SMC0007 · 12-13-2023, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Really don't think Lively is that raw on defense. Sure, he makes rookie mistakes, but he has high IQ stuff like the way he defended Lebron attacking the rim. He always has his hands in the cookie jar with regards to knowing where the ball is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuLt...l=FLHighlights

Does things defensively that 10 year vets don't do.

Agreed. Maybe He is raw compared to what he will be in 3-5 years, but he is already looking like he has been around that long compared to most other rookies. He switches well and provides intelligent help while protecting the rim as a default.

Hell, I wondered how many Luka and Kyrie passes would bounce off his dome as a rookie but nope, he has hit the ground running here. It looks like he has been playing with this group for a few seasons.

EricaLubarsky · 12-14-2023, 11:13 AM

See I think it's the opposite.

Rebounding - he's just so big and active, but he's raw. Weirdly enough he could learn blocking out from Powell. So many times guys just blow around him for a rebound. He also gets bullied a lot for rebounds which is more about size than fundamentals.

Defense - He makes great decisions sometimes and he's mature for 19, but he still struggles to be an impact-maker. His man's FG% at the rim is really high. He could also be much more effective as the help man. Again some of it is his weight/strength. A lot more of it is his attitude-- he's been told to avoid fouls so he's playing a lot of games avoiding contact, but he has to learn how to get up on guys and block shots without a foul.

For now it's good-- fewer fouls mean that he can stay out there (and god knows that we struggle when he's on the bench for fouls), but he has a long way to go to live up to his potential. Then again, he's solid now and the fact that he's far from h is potential just shows how good he could be.

saclare · 12-14-2023, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Really don't think Lively is that raw on defense. Sure, he makes rookie mistakes, but he has high IQ stuff like the way he defended Lebron attacking the rim. He always has his hands in the cookie jar with regards to knowing where the ball is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuLt...l=FLHighlights

Does things defensively that 10 year vets don't do.

Watching that live was so fun. He's going to be a good one.

I still want a solid to plus 4 option and maybe even a 4/5 hybrid like Isaiah Stweart. I know they just re-upped him, but curious if interested in a trade or at the very least, the kind of guy I'm talking about.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-14-2023, 01:21 PM

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Watching that live was so fun. He's going to be a good one.

I still want a solid to plus 4 option and maybe even a 4/5 hybrid like Isaiah Stweart. I know they just re-upped him, but curious if interested in a trade or at the very least, the kind of guy I'm talking about.

I agree, but in the interim, I hope Morris and Omax keep filling in.

I'm somewhat concerned about Maxi coming back. Guy just doesn't have anything left.

SMC0007 · 12-14-2023, 02:19 PM

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I agree, but in the interim, I hope Morris and Omax keep filling in.

I'm somewhat concerned about Maxi coming back. Guy just doesn't have anything left.

I hope Maxi doesnt come back.

dirt_dobber · 12-14-2023, 02:56 PM

I think it is awesome that Tyson Chandler is mentoring and coaching him.
Lively has great hands and decision making and is such an improvement over Powell it's laughable.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-14-2023, 03:08 PM

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I think it is awesome that Tyson Chandler is mentoring and coaching him.
Lively has great hands and decision making and is such an improvement over Powell it's laughable.

And Tyson owes the franchise absolutely nothing after the way the FO treated him. So for him to be here says a lot.

Melonhead · 12-14-2023, 03:18 PM

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And Tyson owes the franchise absolutely nothing after the way the FO treated him. So for him to be here says a lot.

Funny I just told someone today its nothing short of a miracle he's even here after what Cuban did to him twice. We are lucky to have him mentoring Lively.

rimrocker · 12-14-2023, 04:10 PM

I still think Lively is the key piece to keeping Luka in Dallas.

EricaLubarsky · 12-14-2023, 05:34 PM

Stickied because he does

Melonhead · 12-18-2023, 12:15 AM

Lively out vs Denver. Good win vs blazers. This one will be an uphill battle

SMC0007 · 12-18-2023, 08:57 AM

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Lively out vs Denver. Good win vs blazers. This one will be an uphill battle

We need to let Jokic go 1v1 and not double. We cant afford to let him get everyone else going. It is a huge uphill battle but we are going to be in trouble ifnwe are scrambling after wide ipen 3 pt shooters because he is slinging it all over the court. Id rsther him score 50 on Powell than 35/16/15

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-18-2023, 09:43 AM

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We need to let Jokic go 1v1 and not double. We cant afford to let him get everyone else going. It is a huge uphill battle but we are going to be in trouble ifnwe are scrambling after wide ipen 3 pt shooters because he is slinging it all over the court. Id rsther him score 50 on Powell than 35/16/15

1v1 against who Powell? Good luck with that.

SMC0007 · 12-18-2023, 11:19 AM

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1v1 against who Powell? Good luck with that.

Doesnt matter who, they're getting killed without Lively. I think it will be worse trying to trap and double, though.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-18-2023, 12:55 PM

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Doesnt matter who, they're getting killed without Lively. I think it will be worse trying to trap and double, though.

I'd go bold and start Omax at center so they can be mobile for doubling. You're right though we're screwed either way.

Melonhead · 12-18-2023, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

We need to let Jokic go 1v1 and not double. We cant afford to let him get everyone else going. It is a huge uphill battle but we are going to be in trouble ifnwe are scrambling after wide ipen 3 pt shooters because he is slinging it all over the court. Id rsther him score 50 on Powell than 35/16/15

Jokic will do what he wants. There?s no stopping him

SMC0007 · 12-18-2023, 08:57 PM

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Jokic will do what he wants. There?s no stopping him

Yup

EricaLubarsky · 12-18-2023, 10:08 PM

Holmes sick and Lively injured

50% minutes with Powell 6?10?
29% of minutes with Morris 6?9?
21% of minutes with DJJ at center who is 6?6? in shoes

EricaLubarsky · 12-21-2023, 05:49 PM

Wanna see a Lively graph?
https://x.com/iztok_franko/status/17...424473045?s=20

EricaLubarsky · 12-23-2023, 03:49 PM

@GrantAfseth
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3h
The Dallas Mavericks are now 0-5 without Dereck Lively II, giving up an average of 121.2 points and facing an average margin defeat of 18.2 points.

Lively Out: 0-5
Lively Plays: 16-7
Lively + Doncic Plays: 16-6
Lively + Irving Plays: 10-5
Lively + Doncic + Irving Plays: 10-4

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-23-2023, 05:51 PM

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@GrantAfseth
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3h
The Dallas Mavericks are now 0-5 without Dereck Lively II, giving up an average of 121.2 points and facing an average margin defeat of 18.2 points.

Lively Out: 0-5
Lively Plays: 16-7
Lively + Doncic Plays: 16-6
Lively + Irving Plays: 10-5
Lively + Doncic + Irving Plays: 10-4

I love Afseth (best person covering the Mavs), but that is way too simple and feels excusey for the real issue that is Kidd. Hiding behind injuries is what the FO and coach do best.

I guess it's just an obvious observation that you need your best players to win, but we are crash and burning come playoff/play in time if the defense and rebounding isn't fixed. Defense is putrid just about every single game so far.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-16-2024, 04:24 PM

https://twitter.com/DL2Muse/status/1747028849156673804

EricaLubarsky · 02-12-2024, 03:44 PM

Happy 20th birthday to Lively.

Can't even drink but he can dominate the paint.

LukaMagic · 03-03-2024, 11:02 AM

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Happy 20th birthday to Lively.

Can't even drink but he can dominate the paint.

Yes. Happy birthday to Lively.

Scoobay · 04-15-2024, 11:49 AM

any update on lively's status for the playoffs?