Nellie on Barkley

[LRB]

Originally posted by: dirno2000

I don't think that's what he gets paid for. I would argue that he's paid to entertain, while pissing some people off in the process. He seems to be doing a good job. I've read a couple of places that sometimes the TNT post game show actually draws a higher rating than the game.

It’s not just the Mavs either. The message boards of all the major contenders have had F’ Barkley threads at one time or another over the past year.

dirno that may possibly be what they do pay Charles for, but it's certainly not what I think they should pay him for.

BTW my abysmally low opinion is not just based on Mavs games, I absolutely cannot stand the ignonorant tripe that spews from his mouth during games between other teams as well. Barkley is the antithesis to well informed, knowledgeable, and objective.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: bernardos70

Just to back that up, on the Spurs game broadcast through TNT, Barkley said about the mavs: "They can't keep this team they got now, they ain't got no rebounding, no defense, they gotta make a trade."
..... no rebounding even though we're outrebounding our opponents, huh barkley?

A game BTW which we outrebounded the Spurs and played better D than the Spurs. Heaven forbid that Charles pull his fat head out of his fat butt for 2 minutes to look at the most obvious and glaring of facts before opening his fat mouth.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: sbjensen

Fans probably DO point that out. TNT will NEVER point that out, b/c Charles brings viewers to the post-game show and the telecasts in general. The qualities that cause people to watch Charles on TNT are his celebrity, his outspoken opinions, and his humor. If he was better prepared, he would be right more often, but the ratings would probably be unaffected.

So, please explain to Charles why he SHOULDN'T be lazy. :-)

Ratings mean Jack Sh!t. Mostl knowledgeable fans are getting something to eat, using the bathroom, or doing something else other than listen to Charles pontificate at half time. Put an knowledgeable and informed announcer with real insights and a good personality and I'm quite sure that they would have many more people watching the than those who currently watch the Charles Barkley dumbass halftime show.

[dude1394]

Originally posted by: sbjensen

Fans probably DO point that out. TNT will NEVER point that out, b/c Charles brings viewers to the post-game show and the telecasts in general. The qualities that cause people to watch Charles on TNT are his celebrity, his outspoken opinions, and his humor. If he was better prepared, he would be right more often, but the ratings would probably be unaffected.

So, please explain to Charles why he SHOULDN'T be lazy. :-)

Welll.. Because he would be better prepared, make more intelligent comments and not be thought of as the crazy-aunt in the attic buffoon. In a nutshell he would do a better job. If you are saying that it's his actual laziness that makes people watch him I don't agree. He does have strong opinions and could do a fine job making intelliegent comments if he wasn't so lazy.

[grndmstr_c]

You know, I'm all for the argument that Charles' humor and outspoken ways are a ratings boon, but there is no reason you can't be opinionated and well informed at the same time, and there is nothing worse than a stubbornly ignorant and misinformed buffoon having unlimited license to verbally crap all over something you enjoy. I'm not inclined to lay all the blame at his feet, though, because the only person on that show I have seen actually try to discuss how the Mavs actually play is Magic. Kenny, in particular, is just as bad as Barkley much of the time, just not as loud.

[sbjensen]

Originally posted by: LRB

Ratings mean Jack Sh!t. Mostl knowledgeable fans are getting something to eat, using the bathroom, or doing something else other than listen to Charles pontificate at half time. Put an knowledgeable and informed announcer with real insights and a good personality and I'm quite sure that they would have many more people watching the than those who currently watch the Charles Barkley dumbass halftime show.

That may be so. Many of the fans who watch, however, are NOT "knowledgeable" fans. And, as some of the input on this thread demonstrates, some fans who at least THINK of themselves as knowledgeable (myself included), actually LIKE Charles.

I have no Nielsen data or focus group data about TNT, or it's pre-game, halftime, and post-game shows. In general, however, I know that TV audiences are thrilled by controversy, especially when accompanied by celebrity and humor. Charles brings a potent ratings combination, despite his laziness.

[LRB]

Originally posted by: sbjensen

That may be so. Many of the fans who watch, however, are NOT "knowledgeable" fans. And, as some of the input on this thread demonstrates, some fans who at least THINK of themselves as knowledgeable (myself included), actually LIKE Charles.

I have no Nielsen data or focus group data about TNT, or it's pre-game, halftime, and post-game shows. In general, however, I know that TV audiences are thrilled by controversy, especially when accompanied by celebrity and humor. Charles brings a potent ratings combination, despite his laziness.

It is certainly possible to be a knowledgeable fan and like listent to Charles' buffoonery, but I would still say IMO that the vast majority of knowledgeable fans watch much less than they would if Charles was well informed ro there was a well informed commentator taking his place. The key for any sports entertainment personality is to have personality or rather a personality that viewers can enjoy. However if all viewers want is completely uniformed buffoonery, then they can watch SNL or some comedy show instead. A commentator should be a good mix of personality and knowledge. Above all the commentator should do their homework, something which exceptionally few national NBA sports commentators and announcer do. If we had better commentators and announcers we would probably have more knowledgeable fans as well. None the less, Charles schtick which is all schtick and no substance wears thin eventually on all but the most diehard supporters.

Surely it's not impossible to but a knowledgeable crew on the TNT halftimes who also have entertaining personalities.

[bernardos70]

I think a perfect example of a good commentator and personality is Steve Kerr. Proving that it isn't that hard to do, the guy is new but he does his homework.

[Joey]

My feeling is this...
No matter what the reasoning for his dislike of the Mavs, BARKLEY IS AN IDIOT!!!

[ReDIRKulous]

Originally posted by: FilthyFinMavs

Well Dirk surely hasn't hit as many game winners as Reggie has.

I meant was reggie Miller's game similar to Dirk's mostly O and not a ton of D. I was just trying to remember what Reggie's D was like and no defensive plays jumped out in my memory.

[DwD]

But i must say that Barkley does have a few humurous quotes. My favorite: "You know the world is off tilt when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest basketball player is Chinese, and Germany doesn't want to go to war."

Even in his "funny" quotes, Barkley proves his idiocy as us Mavs fans know that the tallest basketball player is Shawn Bradley at 7'6" and not Yao Ming at 7'5".

[superheadcat]

But i must say that Barkley does have a few humurous quotes. My favorite: "You know the world is off tilt when the best rapper is a white guy, the best golfer is a black guy, the tallest basketball player is Chinese, and Germany doesn't want to go to war."

excuse me, but that quote is from chris rock. if barkley did say that, he repeated what chris rock said.

[MightyToine]

If you remember last year also it was the whole "gone fishing" stuff. Barkley talked about the mavs "going fishing" because they would get beat and Michael quite flatley stating "I DON'T FISH"...

I wonder....


If Finley ever decides to Fish, you think we can use Sir Charles as Live Bait? [img]i/expressions/devil.gif[/img]

[Walkerforthree]

Barkley, I don't want to comment on him, because it would just anger some.

[MavKikiNYC]

Barkley and Galloway harmonize. <with Kiki lip-synching in the background>

Mavs need a mulligan in their drive to catch the Lakers
By Randy Galloway
Star-Telegram Staff Writer

The Lakers are here tonight. Maybe you've noticed, but the timing of their local arrival is not good. Even as we speak, Charles Barkley is warming up his trademark cackle.

Sir Charles will be telling us again, via TNT, how the Mavericks are nothing more than NBA mutants. At the moment, there's little evidence to offer in the way of rebuttal. Certainly not when compared to the Lakers. As if any team compares to the Lakers in the early-go of the season.

So in search of an argument, or better yet, nasty name-calling, I fired off this opinion Wednesday to the always volatile Mark Cuban:

"If only the NBA had a mulligan rule, and what was done could be undone, and the Mavs of last season were suddenly the Mavs of this season. Welcome back, Nicky, Raef, Raja, etc. And we would all still be gladly waiting on that one over-the-top trade for a frontline bouncer."

Cuban's e-mail response came quickly, but unfortunately, it read calmly, almost like a reassuring letter from Mom and the family back home.

I hate it when Mark is calm. It's more fun when Cuban overreacts to my overreactions.

"We are a much better team this year," Cuban said. "We rebound, shoot and defend better."

He also echoed the Mavs' main sermon. Give the new mix time to blend.

Cuban's bottom line: "We have better players, a better mix of skills."

I don't know about any of that "better" business.

It is obvious, of course, that what had been the sweetest shooting team in basketball has gone to Brick City, routinely dipping into the 30s. And that's not a cold front. At least, weatherwise, it's not.

Even Don Nelson, who has seen it all as an NBA coach, is befuddled by all those shots that now go clang.

And OK, the Spurs are also struggling with their wholesale off-season roster changes, as is Minnesota, which many had promoted to "Big Five" status in the monster that is the Western Conference. Sacramento was another off-season fiddler. The Kings win at home, but have been so-so on the road and are still without the injured Mr. Webber.

But then there are the Lakers. It was in all the papers. The Lakers "changed," too.

LA brought in Karl Malone and Gary Payton. Everybody got excited, or for those conference foes, worried.

Shaq and Kobe. Now Malone and Payton to boot.

But Shaq and Kobe, we are told, have a strong dislike for each other. Over the summer, Kobe also had a problem with room service at a Colorado hotel. Big trouble happened. Lawyers and DAs are involved. Again, it's been in all the papers.

The Lakers are supposed to have their "issues." Distractions are possible. Maybe distractions will happen. A couple of early November road losses were encouraging for Laker-haters everywhere.

But now?

Beautiful harmony and beautiful basketball prevail.

The Lakers pass, shoot, score, defend, rebound. My gawd, Kobe is even being called a team player. And that doesn't mean his legal defense team.

By the way, be honest here. Did you think Karl Malone wasn't an off-season answer for the Mavericks, even knowing the 40-year-old would have signed in a second?

Twenty years ago, Karl vowed the Mavericks would regret passing him up in the draft. They did, and did, and did.

And now, another regret appears to be on the way. Malone has not only been sensational, but also taken over a leadership role on a Lakers team that had no leader.

Meanwhile ...

Golden State is off to its best start in seven years -- a meager 8-7, but progress anyway. And the leader of all this? Nick Van Exel. Little Nicky, the bad guy who went good under Nelson, is being praised in the Bay Area as the veteran glue who has united the locker room. The same thing happened here in the playoffs last spring, right?

And Raja Bell? Went to Utah. The Jazz, without Malone and John Stockton for the first time since World War I, are a shocking 10-6, and Bell has become the favorite of hard-butt coach Jerry Sloan.

Raef LaFrentz? He's still useless, this time in Boston, but for those of us now inclined to call a mulligan on the off-season deals, Raef has to be included in the recall.

At the moment, however, nothing is like last season for the Mavs, unless you include Dirk Nowitzki's ankle pain.

The Lakers are here tonight. The timing is not good, and neither is the shooting. Go ahead, Charles, and cackle.

[Chiwas]

So in search of an argument, or better yet, nasty name-calling, I fired off this opinion Wednesday to the always volatile Mark Cuban:

"If only the NBA had a mulligan rule, and what was done could be undone, and the Mavs of last season were suddenly the Mavs of this season. Welcome back, Nicky, Raef, Raja, etc. And we would all still be gladly waiting on that one over-the-top trade for a frontline bouncer."

Cuban's e-mail response came quickly, but unfortunately, it read calmly, almost like a reassuring letter from Mom and the family back home.

I hate it when Mark is calm. It's more fun when Cuban overreacts to my overreactions.

"We are a much better team this year," Cuban said. "We rebound, shoot and defend better."

He also echoed the Mavs' main sermon. Give the new mix time to blend.

Cuban's bottom line: "We have better players, a better mix of skills."

I don't know about any of that "better" business.

Old-timers never die; only get stuck.

[MavKikiNYC]

Maybe Galloway was questioning whether there was any 'mix' at all--or whether instead, there were two or three guys who appear to do pretty much the same thing, and as a result, can't play together at the same time.

They are rebounding better. They aren't shooting better. Defending is more or less the same. Tonight won't really be a fair gauge of their ability with Dirk down, but.....maybe they can show some guts.

[Captain Disaster]

Currently Galloway is right on; we'll see if time changes reality. Maybe one day the Fab Five will all play to their potential, consistently.

[Captain Disaster]

No one can predict the future, but as of right now, last year's team would've possibly been the 2nd best team in the league this year if they had all come back.

[grndmstr_c]

They would have right now, but not at the end of the year. It's the end of the year that matters.

[bogey]

Galloway is a drunken bastard who wouldn't know a good sports opinion if it hit him in the typewriter. I would much rather listen to Barkley cackle in a mildly amuzing idiotic way than have to suffer through one of Galloways whiskey induced slurry stupors.

[MavKikiNYC]

Originally posted by: bogey
Galloway is a drunken bastard who wouldn't know a good sports opinion if it hit him in the typewriter. I would much rather listen to Barkley cackle in a mildly amuzing idiotic way than have to suffer through one of Galloways whiskey induced slurry stupors.

But what about my lip-synching?

[bogey]

Originally posted by: MavKikiNYC

But what about my lip-synching?

Can you slur drunkenese?

[Psychedelic Fuzz]

I'd rather listen to kiki lip synching [img]i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif[/img]

I heard this from galloway on my way home yesterday. He can't be serious. The mavs are staying in ugly games with of all things DEFENSE and REBOUNDING.
Then again, I'm still not over how coop and newy got cancelled for that. Maybe it's because I'm pretty apathetic to everything except basketball. Randy is just simply a football guy. Coop and Newy were basketball guys.

I'm setting the over/under on how many fat lips he gets on Newy's show tomorrow at 5.

[sike]

Originally posted by: bogey

Can you slur drunkenese?

cow is so very mean......his daddy cow must has hit the milk really hard....all those sad nights listening to mom cow and dad cow moo in anger really made him one bad cow!
he's like the Mike Tyson of cows!

[Murphy3]

Chuck wouldn't be one of the people that I called if I needed to know something about the NBA.
Nellie wouldn't be one of the top 10 or so options if I needed to select a coach for a b'ball team.

[Simon2]

Barkley wasn't as biased last night against the Mavs. Very unusual. He even picked the Mavs to win. Maybe the Lakers are the bigger evil to him. Think about it. When great players without rings are mentioned, who are on top of the list. Barkley, Malone, Payton and Stockton. If Malone and Payton get rings, then Barkley and Stockton will be left without rings. Maybe that's why Barkley is hoping the two don't get their championship.