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FanNBA · 07-12-2012, 07:25 PM

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Mavericks will be aggressive bidders for Scola on the amnesty wire, league sources said. Dallas is serious about Elton Brand too.
On Sunday you will know who will be on your Team next season.

Scola amnesty bid deadine: Sunday at 5 PM ET. Minimum bid: $10.5M total ($3.4M/yr). Only under-the-cap teams eligible

OneLove22 · 07-12-2012, 08:06 PM

I like this a lot. Scola is a very good player.

Dale4Saul2Red0 · 07-12-2012, 08:11 PM

I prefer Scola to Brand but either is fine

BGMaverick9 · 07-12-2012, 08:42 PM

The official Twitter page for the Rockets just started following Howard, Davis, Richardson and Duhon.

Interesting.

DTownKidd · 07-12-2012, 08:56 PM

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The official Twitter page for the Rockets just started following Howard, Davis, Richardson and Duhon.

Interesting.

Well, I'd imagine that a trade would be in place if they we're going to amnesty him.

They could do it without one obviously..but it would be pretttty strange!

BGMaverick9 · 07-12-2012, 08:59 PM

@ZachLowe_SI:
If Rox lose out on Asik/Lin, their cap space + Martin expiring + $6M of young guys almost exactly = D12 + Hedo + Duhon + Baby + J-Rich

Bayliss · 07-12-2012, 09:01 PM

So the Mavs will know the fate of Brand before Scola actually gets amnestied.

sike · 07-12-2012, 09:24 PM

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So the Mavs will know the fate of Brand before Scola actually gets amnestied.

That stinks. Scola is far preferable to Brand.

Except can Scola play Center?

Bayliss · 07-12-2012, 09:29 PM

Sike, mine was a question not a certainty. But Mavs should know by tomorrow night on Brand. And Scola hasn't been "officially" amnestied yet so......

sike · 07-12-2012, 09:34 PM

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Sike, mine was a question not a certainty. But Mavs should know by tomorrow night on Brand. And Scola hasn't been "officially" amnestied yet so......

Ok, Gotcha.

Underdog · 07-12-2012, 09:49 PM

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That stinks. Scola is far preferable to Brand.

Except can Scola play Center?

No, Scola can't play center - he plays the same position as our franchise player. And he has 3 years left on his contract. And he'll cost $10M.

Scola is the better player, but Brand is the better fit - both in our current roster and in our current fiscal model.

dude1394 · 07-12-2012, 09:51 PM

So how does amnesty work for a multi year player? Let's say you get scoala for the least that you can get him for. And that is.... ( feel free to fill in the blank here! ) and his salary is 10million or so. As I understand it, you would get him for that minimum for three years ( lets say 1million) and Houston picks up the rest for three years.

If he could then be traded you have picked up one hell of a nice trading,chip.

jthig32 · 07-12-2012, 10:02 PM

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So how does amnesty work for a multi year player? Let's say you get scoala for the least that you can get him for. And that is.... ( feel free to fill in the blank here! ) and his salary is 10million or so. As I understand it, you would get him for that minimum for three years ( lets say 1million) and Houston picks up the rest for three years.

If he could then be traded you have picked up one hell of a nice trading,chip.

Whatever you bid is split evenly over the years remaining on his contract.

BGMaverick9 · 07-12-2012, 10:05 PM

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Whatever you bid is split evenly over the years remaining on his contract.

Also, he wouldn't be available to be traded until July 1 of the following year.

rabbitproof · 07-12-2012, 11:03 PM

Are you able to bid and win on two players?

aexchange · 07-12-2012, 11:05 PM

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Are you able to bid and win on two players?

Yes, but you have to have existing space for both.

rabbitproof · 07-12-2012, 11:07 PM

Nice! Go halfsies on each and see what happens.. I do like Brand more.

I almost worry we won't have enough minutes but can bank on injuries and also Dirk's minutes probably really needs to go down.

Bayliss · 07-12-2012, 11:26 PM

Scola just hurt his knee in a game. Will have an MRI tomorrow.

chumdawg · 07-12-2012, 11:31 PM

That's how you get through waivers!

EricaLubarsky · 07-13-2012, 12:21 AM

Brand>scola

But both are nice pieces to be had.

Zki41 · 07-13-2012, 02:40 AM

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Whatever you bid is split evenly over the years remaining on his contract.

So if Mavs bid lets say 6 million on Scola and win, then Scola's contract for the Mavs would look something like 2 million per year for 3 years. Then Houston picks up the rest of his contract.

He15man · 07-13-2012, 03:13 AM

Hopefully we can get one of those guys

Kante · 07-13-2012, 06:32 AM

Brand over Scola.

FiZth · 07-13-2012, 06:51 AM

In my opinion Elton Brand is much better fit for this team. He is really underrated defender and can defend all these PF type centers and handel even these big centers like Bynum. Something Scola can't do. As we can't play much Scola next to Dirk in playoffs (defense, rebound etc against teams like Lakers, Thunder and so on), there isn't point giving him only back up PF minutes. But it would be really good mindf**k for other team centers to face Kaman, Nowitzki, Scola and Wright, so damn much offense versatility.

Five-ofan · 07-13-2012, 07:26 AM

Scola is not, nor has he ever been better than Elton brand

oilfieldtrash · 07-13-2012, 08:16 AM

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No, Scola can't play center - he plays the same position as our franchise player. And he has 3 years left on his contract. And he'll cost $10M.

Scola is the better player, but Brand is the better fit - both in our current roster and in our current fiscal model.

You really believe bringing a 15/8 guy into the fold for 4 mil a year affects the team in a negative way?
Me personally I say bring him in and let Dirk play 28-30 minutes a game (remember Next year Dirk is 35) and let him save him legs and knees. If you want you could let Dirk play the 5 against small teams or even let Scola play the 3.
The contract in itself is an asset. A quality big like Scola under contract for 3 years for NBA peanuts.
This is about as big a no brainer as it gets.

jthig32 · 07-13-2012, 08:21 AM

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So if Mavs bid lets say 6 million on Scola and win, then Scola's contract for the Mavs would look something like 2 million per year for 3 years. Then Houston picks up the rest of his contract.

Yes, although 10Mil appears to be the minimum bid.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-13-2012, 08:26 AM

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You really believe bringing a 15/8 guy into the fold for 4 mil a year affects the team in a negative way?

To be fair, the last 15/8 pf we brought in did affect the team in a negative way. Yes, he was crazy, but the fit wasn't there either...

Underdog · 07-13-2012, 08:33 AM

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You really believe bringing a 15/8 guy into the fold for 4 mil a year affects the team in a negative way?
Me personally I say bring him in and let Dirk play 28-30 minutes a game (remember Next year Dirk is 35) and let him save him legs and knees. If you want you could let Dirk play the 5 against small teams or even let Scola play the 3.
The contract in itself is an asset. A quality big like Scola under contract for 3 years for NBA peanuts.
This is about as big a no brainer as it gets.

You want to rest Dirk's legs and knees, but then you suggest that he should play center? Those two ideas are completely contradictory.

And $10M is the MINIMUM bid - what makes you think that another team with more cap space isn't going to bid higher? Also, Scola hasn't even been technically amnestied yet, whereas the bidding for Brand begins today... You'd likely have to pass on Brand to even attempt to get Scola, which increases the chances of getting neither.

Sure, Scola is a good player and an excellent asset, but Brand actually fits a need, seeing as how he can play center - Kaman is a lot more likely to need the rest than Dirk, and Brand can provide relief for both. Plus, we don't need another Humphries/Bass wasting away on the bench behind Dirk. Scola really only makes sense if we plan on trading him.

Also, Scola has never played small forward in the NBA. What makes you think he'd start now?

It's not nearly as much of a "no-brainer" as you claim...

oilfieldtrash · 07-13-2012, 08:35 AM

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To be fair, the last 15/8 pf we brought in did affect the team in a negative way. Yes, he was crazy, but the fit wasn't there either...

How is that fair to compare Scola to Odom? So we should avoid quality big men from here on out? I'm trying really hard to understand your line of thinking here.

oilfieldtrash · 07-13-2012, 08:44 AM

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You want to rest Dirk's legs and knees, but then you suggest that he should play center? Those two ideas are completely contradictory.

And $10M is the MINIMUM bid - what makes you think that another team with more cap space isn't going to bid higher? Also, Scola hasn't even been technically amnestied yet, whereas the bidding for Brand begins today... You'd likely have to pass on Brand to even attempt to get Scola, which increases the chances of getting neither.

Sure, Scola is a good player and an excellent asset, but Brand actually fits a need, seeing as how he can play center - Kaman is a lot more likely to need the rest than Dirk, and Brand can provide relief for both. Scola only makes sense if we plan on trading him for a star.

Also, Scola has never played small forward in the NBA. What makes you think he'd start now?

It's not nearly as much of a "no-brainer" as you claim...

I personally believe playing in the post is much easier on the knees than playing perimeter. It's the sudden starting stopping cutting that usually gets the knees. Either way I was just throwing the center idea out there.
I do understand the min bid is 10 mil. When I said 4 mil I was referring to yearly.

Underdog · 07-13-2012, 08:49 AM

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I personally believe playing in the post is much easier on the knees than playing perimeter. It's the sudden starting stopping cutting that usually gets the knees. Either way I was just throwing the center idea out there.
I do understand the min bid is 10 mil. When I said 4 mil I was referring to yearly.

Dirk doesn't do a whole lot of sudden stopping/cutting on the perimeter, and there's a lot more physical contact in the post, especially when battling for position/rebounds.

Also, playing Dirk/Scola at the same time would be a complete defensive liability, unlike Dirk/Brand.

oilfieldtrash · 07-13-2012, 08:58 AM

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Dirk doesn't do a whole lot of sudden stopping/cutting on the perimeter, and there's a lot more physical contact in the post, especially when battling for position/rebounds.

Also, playing Dirk/Scola at the same time would be a complete defensive liability, unlike Dirk/Brand.

Really in the post it's the upper body that takes the abuse. The pushing fighting for position really doesn't strain the lower body as I'm sure Dirk puts tons more weight on his legs when he does his lifting routine.
I really think this team has a place for Scola. When Dirk took a breather last year we'd go from up 10 to losing by 2 in a matter of minutes.

vinylstar · 07-13-2012, 09:03 AM

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RThe pushing fighting for position really doesn't strain the lower body

You're doing it wrong.

Underdog · 07-13-2012, 09:05 AM

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Really in the post it's the upper body that takes the abuse. The pushing fighting for position really doesn't strain the lower body as I'm sure Dirk puts tons more weight on his legs when he does his lifting routine.
I really think this team has a place for Scola. When Dirk took a breather last year we'd go from up 10 to losing by 2 in a matter of minutes.

Did you completely gloss over the whole "Dirk/Scola is a defensive liability" part? We've seen Dirk play center before, and it's ugly.

If you want Scola to be another Humphries/Bass who wastes away on the bench while playing only 15 MPG, then fine - otherwise he really doesn't have a place on this team. His only real value would be as a trade asset.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-13-2012, 09:08 AM

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How is that fair to compare Scola to Odom? So we should avoid quality big men from here on out? I'm trying really hard to understand your line of thinking here.

We have a pf who plays the majority of the minutes there. That is my line of thinking. Scola would be lucky if he got 20 mpg. Those decent stats of his are going go way down. Look, I like Scola a lot, but there really isn't a fit. He needs minutes that we don't have.

oilfieldtrash · 07-13-2012, 09:31 AM

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You're doing it wrong.

In the NBA they're not gonna let you go at it NFL offensive lineman style. Like I said if you're weight training correctly you should be pushing your legs much more than you would in a game so it should be easy.

oilfieldtrash · 07-13-2012, 09:32 AM

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We have a pf who plays the majority of the minutes there. That is my line of thinking. Scola would be lucky if he got 20 mpg. Those decent stats of his are going go way down. Look, I like Scola a lot, but there really isn't a fit. He needs minutes that we don't have.

I'm not worried about Scola's minutes or stats.

LRB · 07-13-2012, 09:32 AM

When will we know if our bid for Brand won? And when do we have to lock in our bid for Scola?

rabbitproof · 07-13-2012, 09:54 AM

Meh, I like Scola at 3/10M. Don't bid anymore as that only leaves about 4-5M for Brand, right?

Minutes may be sparse from game to game but they will be there at the end of the season. Budget Kaman for 20-30 missed games. That's 875 (25*35 mpg) minutes opening up right there. That's 10+mpg per over 82 games. Brand also has an injury history although he's been more durable the last two years. Dirk is getting older, needs his minutes dropped and you might guess he misses 5-10 games himself this year.

I bet Scola will find himself in the low 20s mpg - it will just vary a lot game to game depending on the health of our old big men. Plus, he's a good matchup tool for Rick.

Financially, he's a good trade chip and doesn't interfere with cap too much down the road. Also adds a touch of stability as Brand and Kaman may be one-year rentals and gone next year.

I am skeptical we get both Brand for 4-5M and Scola for the minimum bid though.