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Tights squeezed....
League would amend uniform code to ban tights
Updated: March 30, 2006, 6:30 PM ET
By Darren Rovell and Marc Stein
ESPN.com
After instituting a "business casual" dress code and cracking down on the length of uniform shorts, the NBA has identified its next fashion crusade.
League and team sources have told ESPN.com that the NBA, starting next season, intends to ban the tights sported at various points this season by several players, including three MVP candidates: Kobe Bryant, LeBron James and Dwyane Wade.
Although NBA officials are not publicly commenting on the issue, sources say that the league simply does not like the look of players wearing visible hose. It's believed that the league office, which already has regulations in place to curtail short lengths, can unilaterally outlaw tights by simply amending its uniform code before the 2006-07 season.
Sources say that the NBA informed its 30 teams at last month's competition committee meeting in Houston that tights would be banned immediately after All-Star Weekend. But the league wound up holding off on that ban, perhaps to avoid a new controversy after the initial furor sparked by the off-court dress code faded quickly and quietly.
Players who wish to wear tights are required to send the league a written request from a team doctor detailing a "medical need" for the leggings. That's because the league, according to sources, believes that some players are merely wearing them because they like the look.
Yet there are numerous players who insist that wearing full-length spandex under their uniform shorts keeps limbs warmer and looser than anything seen previously in the NBA. Dallas Mavericks swingman Jerry Stackhouse is widely seen as the pioneer of this practice, relying on a pair of runners' tights throughout last season's playoffs to combat a longstanding groin injury.
"I'm a 100-percent advocate," Stackhouse said.
That's why the 11-year veteran felt compelled to call NBA vice president Stu Jackson directly after learning of the forthcoming ban upon returning from the All-Star break. Stackhouse bristles at the notion that he's merely trying to be fashionable, pointing out that he has worn tights to every behind-closed-doors practice and shootaround until expectedly shedding them in Dallas' past three games.
"I've had a couple groin injuries and they help me get comfortable," Stackhouse said. "I wear thigh sleeves, too, and the tights also help keep them from sliding down my legs. They just hold everything together.
"When I talked to Stu, he was sympathetic. They don't want to be the ones causing guys to get hurt. But I don't know what the end result is going to be. I get the feeling they think it's some fashion statement or culture statement. It's really not. I'm just trying to take every preventative measure that I can."
Said Mavericks team physician T.O Souryal: "The tights provide compression. Compressed muscles fire efficiently, especially if injured. Players with muscle strains benefit from the improved circulation and support."
The sight of tights on an NBA player has inevitably been mocked by some -- Denver's Marcus Camby chastised peers for wearing "pantyhose" -- but became more commonplace this season after Bryant unveiled his leggings in November. James wore them briefly as well in January after injuring his knee, but the Cleveland star hasn't been seen in spandex for more than 25 games ... in part because he grew weary of answering so many questions about them. Bryant has since decided to play tights-free in the Los Angeles Lakers' past five games.
But Wade still wears them in Miami and so does New Jersey's Vince Carter. The team most devoted to the concept is Milwaukee, with five everyday tights-wearers after Joe Smith tried them first: Andrew Bogut, Toni Kukoc, Michael Redd and Maurice Williams in addition to Smith.
Bogut recently told the Associated Press: "I don't like how it looks, but I don't play basketball for looks."
Smith told the AP: "It's something to keep you warm. It keeps my knee from swelling up, keeps some tightness around it so it won't blow up on me when I'm out there. It's meant a lot to me."
More than five percent of the league's players have worn tights at some stage during the season, including five of its top 10 leading scorers. At least eight players that have worn tights this year -- including Bryant, James, Redd and Carter -- are Nike-sponsored athletes, and the shoe giant now sells a "pro basic" pair of tights for $35 and a "pro thermal" pair for $50.
Stackhouse, though, supplies his own tights and has been since he came up with the idea almost a year ago.
"If they ban 'em," Stackhouse said, "I'll find something else."
Tight wearers
The following NBA players have been spotted wearing tights this season:
• Ray Allen, Seattle
• Andrew Bogut, Milwaukee
• Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers
• Vince Carter, New Jersey
• Eddy Curry, New York
• Samuel Dalembert, Philadelphia
• Allen Iverson, Philadelphia
• LeBron James, Cleveland
• Toni Kukoc, Milwaukee
• Rashad McCants, Minnesota
• Michael Redd, Milwaukee
• Joe Smith, Milwaukee
• Jerry Stackhouse, Dallas
• Nick Van Exel, San Antonio
• Dwyane Wade, Miami
• Chris Webber, Philadelphia
• Bonzi Wells, Sacramento
• Jason Williams, Miami
• Mo Williams, Milwaukee
-- Paul Lukas, ESPN.com
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2390599
Ridiculous...
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03-31-2006, 04:45 AM
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Seems silly - but there is no question that these should be illegal.
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03-31-2006, 05:05 AM
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complete B.S. move if you ask me
who exactly in the NBA "big shots" office is getting their rocks off to this sort of conformity? what the F*** is the point?
seriously. annoying as f.
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03-31-2006, 09:03 AM
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I always believe that tights are worn for comfort and injuries, not for fashion. BS call by the league.
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03-31-2006, 09:38 AM
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Milwaukee looks like the undisputed league leader in shorts--with no less than five players wearing them.
I suspect these guys just want to leave the arena afterwards without bothering to shower, and the tights are to keep them warm in frigid Milwaukee--those winds off the lake can be brutal.
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03-31-2006, 09:54 AM
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I have no problem with someone wearing them for injury purposes, so as the league will mandate, a doctors note. That will be fine with me.
And about the conformity thing, that is what a team is all about. You all wear the same uniform, uniform meaning you all look alike. They can't just wear whatever the hell they want to out there. But again, I have no problem if it is an injury thing. I don't want it getting to the point where it is fashion and everyone wears them.
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03-31-2006, 11:23 AM
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Why not just let them wear pants? Then nobody will know what's under there.
I wonder if knee-high socks are the next to go. Or maybe headbands.
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03-31-2006, 11:53 AM
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I find wristbands highly offensive. And don't get me started on the multicolored sneakers.
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03-31-2006, 12:01 PM
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just a question, but why after what, 50 years and more, all of a sudden, players have to wear tights for injuries and to keep "warm". Did they all forget how to strech and warm up before a game or something.
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03-31-2006, 12:02 PM
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I wonder if knee-high socks are the next to go.
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This is for sure...Cubes even had a blog entry on it.
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03-31-2006, 12:41 PM
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I really don't like the tatoos. Maybe they can instigate fines whenever a tatooed person gets on the court.
And hair past the forehead. Look out Nash, Kaman, etc.... they are coming for you....
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03-31-2006, 12:42 PM
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One last thing.... This would be like if the NFL instigated fines for the fun-to-watch creative end zone celebrations. I mean, they are fun to watch and all so why would they curtail them? I doubt that would ever happen.
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03-31-2006, 01:32 PM
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And...just so there's no confusion :
queer
adj. queer·er, queer·est
(1) Deviating from the expected or normal; strange: a queer situation.
(2) Odd or unconventional, as in behavior; eccentric. See Synonyms at strange.
(3) Of a questionable nature or character; suspicious.
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I really don't like the tatoos. Maybe they can instigate fines whenever a tatooed person gets on the court.
And hair past the forehead. Look out Nash, Kaman, etc.... they are coming for you....
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I dont even like the shaved head look. I think all NBA players should have a Mullin/military buzzed flattop
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03-31-2006, 02:07 PM
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Please answer this, Why do they wear the tights?
I am going somewhere with this..
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03-31-2006, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
I dont even like the shaved head look. I think all NBA players should have a Mullin/military buzzed flattop
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I found something called an "NBA mullet":
Does that do anything for you?
Link - hilarious.
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03-31-2006, 02:43 PM
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sixeight, would you shut up already?
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03-31-2006, 02:50 PM
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Everbody is on here bitching about the league mandating "this sort of conformity" (by Wraith). Tights are for injuries. plain and simple that is what they are for. They are not for fashion, and fashion should never come before the game. If the players wear them for injuries, then "Players who wish to wear tights are required to send the league a written request from a team doctor detailing a "medical need" for the leggings." It is that easy. Get your team doctor to write a note. They are not being effing banned from basketball. Hell, why don't we just let them wear hats,. or wear bling, or wear pants, or wear work boots, or wear whatever the f they want to. If you got an injury, then prove it and you can wear the tights. If not, then shut the f up and wear shorts, just like you ahve done your whole life.
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Players who wish to wear tights are required to send the league a written request from a team doctor detailing a "medical need" for the leggings. That's because the league, according to sources, believes that some players are merely wearing them because they like the look.
keeps limbs warmer and looser than anything seen previously in the NBA. Dallas Mavericks swingman Jerry Stackhouse is widely seen as the pioneer of this practice, relying on a pair of runners' tights throughout last season's playoffs to combat a longstanding groin injury.
That's why the 11-year veteran felt compelled to call NBA vice president Stu Jackson directly after learning of the forthcoming ban upon returning from the All-Star break. Stackhouse bristles at the notion that he's merely trying to be fashionable, pointing out that he has worn tights to every behind-closed-doors practice and shootaround until expectedly shedding them in Dallas' past three games.
"I've had a couple groin injuries and they help me get comfortable," Stackhouse said. "I wear thigh sleeves, too, and the tights also help keep them from sliding down my legs. They just hold everything together.
"When I talked to Stu, he was sympathetic. They don't want to be the ones causing guys to get hurt. But I don't know what the end result is going to be. I get the feeling they think it's some fashion statement or culture statement. It's really not. I'm just trying to take every preventative measure that I can."
Said Mavericks team physician T.O Souryal: "The tights provide compression. Compressed muscles fire efficiently, especially if injured. Players with muscle strains benefit from the improved circulation and support."
The sight of tights on an NBA player has inevitably been mocked by some -- Denver's Marcus Camby chastised peers for wearing "pantyhose"
. James wore them briefly as well in January after injuring his knee, but the Cleveland star hasn't been seen in spandex for more than 25 games ... in part because he grew weary of answering so many questions about them. Bryant has since decided to play tights-free in the Los Angeles Lakers' past five games.
Bogut recently told the Associated Press: "I don't like how it looks, but I don't play basketball for looks."
Smith told the AP: "It's something to keep you warm. It keeps my knee from swelling up, keeps some tightness around it so it won't blow up on me when I'm out there. It's meant a lot to me."
"If they ban 'em," Stackhouse said, "I'll find something else." [quote]
Her are some main points from the article.
So in essence, it is not a fashion thing. It is for injuries and to keep limbs warm. So there should be no problem for those that need to wear them.
Quit Bitching.
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03-31-2006, 05:26 PM
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you're the only one doing the bitching, bitch
and you're posting articles and highlighting points (which didn't even turn out right) and formulating essays on this subject as if you're somebody special
your opinion is meaningless (so is mine), so spare us the trouble of having to hear it THAT much
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03-31-2006, 05:40 PM
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To be honest I don't give a crude. But the sports dudes really care about uniforms.
They probably should just wear flesh-colored panty hose.
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03-31-2006, 06:04 PM
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To be honest I don't give a crude. But the sports dudes really care about uniforms.
They probably should just wear flesh-colored panty hose.
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I'm actually a strong advocate of the league mandating cheerleaders to wear nothing.
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I'm actually a strong advocate of the league mandating cheerleaders to wear nothing.
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Hoo Rah!!...Dang it, I couldn't give you any more +rep!
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03-31-2006, 07:16 PM
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I dont even like the shaved head look. I think all NBA players should have a Mullin/military buzzed flattop
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I agree. The league just hasn't seemed the same ever since we lost Eric Montross and his amazing table-top fade...
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03-31-2006, 07:19 PM
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I dont even like the shaved head look. I think all NBA players should have a Mullin/military buzzed flattop
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I agree. The league just hasn't seemed the same ever since we lost Eric Montross and his amazing table-top fade, and Big Country always made that look work for him as well...
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All I am saying is that if they need to wear them for injuries or to keep them warm to prevent injury, by all means, wear them.. But not for fashion statements. althogh I don't know why they would wear them for the fashion, Kinda gay to me.
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03-31-2006, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by sixeightmkw
All I am saying is that if they need to wear them for injuries or to keep them warm to prevent injury, by all means, wear them.. But not for fashion statements. althogh I don't know why they would wear them for the fashion, Kinda gay to me.
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Yeah, only a few players can pull off that look heheh
but hey, that rule they're about to implement about not being able to wear knee-high socks ala Jason Terry, KVH, etc...
that's hideously retarded and I see no reason for them to make that into a rule. even Mark Cuban (of course) was baffled by that
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Yeah, only a few players can pull off that look heheh
but hey, that rule they're about to implement about not being able to wear knee-high socks ala Jason Terry, KVH, etc...
that's hideously retarded and I see no reason for them to make that into a rule. even Mark Cuban (of course) was baffled by that
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that wasn't in the article. I think someone just said that. But if that is true, then yes I agree with you. I didn't see that anywhere.
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that wasn't in the article. I think someone just said that. But if that is true, then yes I agree with you. I didn't see that anywhere.
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it's straight out of Mark Cuban's blog in an entry back in February I believe.
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Wonder if they could in a sportsjacket and at least a nice pair of jeans? Might be more palatable to the corporate sponsorship set.
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Wonder if they could in a sportsjacket and at least a nice pair of jeans? Might be more palatable to the corporate sponsorship set.
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I like it.
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Is this an April fool's joke?
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And...just so there's no confusion :
queer
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(2) Odd or unconventional, as in behavior; eccentric. See Synonyms at strange.
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ORANGEDAYS...where in the hell are you getting all these sweet pictures? And i think the tights shoul be legal..who gives a crap...its not like they are performance enhancing steroids.
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Why not just let them wear pants? Then nobody will know what's under there.
I wonder if knee-high socks are the next to go. Or maybe headbands.
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I'm wearing a pair right now.
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ORANGEDAYS...where in the hell are you getting all these sweet pictures? And i think the tights shoul be legal..who gives a crap...its not like they are performance enhancing steroids.
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The tights don't seem to make Brickhouse a better player, so this isn't a big deal.
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they seriously can't ban knee-socks tho. those are the shiznat
i think nick van exel would retire immediately. or his lower legs might shrivel up
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hahahahaha
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