Jason Kidd is Hilarious

[howdoesmydirktaste]

This reminds me of the time he ran down the sideline and collided with the other teams coach. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...-play/related/

[Kante]

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=5

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

Desperate times, indeed... You'd think $180m could buy a better start than 4-11, but good luck achieving much with a rookie coach and a poorly constructed roster full of has-beens and castoffs.

And unlike the Woodson collision, this gimmick didn't pay off.

[Sportstudi]

Steve Blake and Xavier Henry have been involved in more play call huddles then Jason Kidd has for the Nets now.

[howdoesmydirktaste]

Originally Posted by Kante

http://www.dallas-mavs.com/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=5

His jersey will hang in the Mavs rafters one day. He will always be remembered as a Mav and my subject talked about a time when he was a Mav and ran into a coach. I'm on topic. Happy Thanksgiving.

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by howdoesmydirktaste

His jersey will hang in the Mavs rafters one day. He will always be remembered as a Mav and my subject talked about a time when he was a Mav and ran into a coach. I'm on topic. Happy Thanksgiving.

I'm not sure his jersey should hang in the Mavs rafters.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Dunno why, but I kinda feel sorry for the Nets. Can't really hate a team that hasn't done anything yet.

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Dunno why, but I kinda feel sorry for the Nets. Can't really hate a team that hasn't done anything yet.

I don't.

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by LSMF

I'm not sure his jersey should hang in the Mavs rafters.

It should and it will.

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

It should and it will.

Um, maybe I'm missing something but weren't his best years in Phoenix and New Jersey? So why is it a lock that his number will be retired here?

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by LSMF

Um, maybe I'm missing something but weren't his best years in Phoenix and New Jersey? So why is it a lock that his number will be retired here?

[adonis]

There's no way we win the title without Kidd's veteran presence down the stretch. He also played unbelievable defense on opposing team's top stars in the playoffs. Plus, Mark got over it anyway... lol

[LSMF]

Originally Posted by adonis

There's no way we win the title without Kidd's veteran presence down the stretch. He also played unbelievable defense on opposing team's top stars in the playoffs. Plus, Mark got over it anyway... lol

There's also no way we win the title without Terry, Marion, JJ Barea, and Tyson Chandler's performances. To me after Dirk, Jason Terry is the man who should have his jersey put up in the rafters. He always gave his all for this team and hit clutch shot after clutch shot for years. And to top it off when you look at his efforts in the community it shows why Jason Terry is a lock to have his jersey retired by this organization. Kidd on the other hand, I don't know about. Yes, he played a big role in the 2011 championship, but there were other guys who played big roles as well. It was a collective effort from the Mavs, with Dirk and Jet carrying us home to the title. Didn't Kidd more or less force his way out of Dallas back in the 90s due to his beef with teammate Jimmy Jackson? And then after winning a championship with us he backed out of a verbal agreement to re-sign and left for New York. Anyway, I guess it's up to Mark to decide if he wants to retire Kidd's number. But to me it's obvious his best years were not spent here in Dallas, and I don't see how that is even an argument. So if his best years weren't spent in Dallas what is the reasoning behind retiring his jersey? His role in the championship cannot be the sole reason he goes up there imho.

[dude1394]

Jet, jkiddo, Shawn, and Tyson should be in the rafters...but Tyson won't because of the collosal failed plan powder.

Ps... Shawn/jkiddo could go in either order or at the same time.

[Murphy3]

Jkidd shouldn't but he will end up in the rafters

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by dude1394

Jet, jkiddo, Shawn, and Tyson should be in the rafters...but Tyson won't because of the collosal failed plan powder.

Ps... Shawn/jkiddo could go in either order or at the same time.

Gotta agree on Shawn Marion - his contributions in Dallas have been mighty, especially during our championship run when he was tasked to contain 3 of the top 5 players in the NBA (Kobe/LeBron/Durant).

Dirk/Kidd/JET/Marion should definitely have their jerseys in the AAC rafters... And, yes, Tyson Chandler would probably be there too if he had played more than 1 season for us.

[Underdog]

Jason Kidd fined $50K for 'spill'

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Jason Kidd fined $50K for 'spill'

Man, I didn't see the blatant "hit me" that Kidd says to Taylor. Wow. Desperate times call for desperate measures I guess...

[Kidd Karma]

Now he fires his hand picked Defensive Assistant in Frank. Seems there was tension from camp, Frank was the loudest at practices, etc. then came his suspension where Joe Prunty was named the HC for the first 2 games. And well once you get into Kidd's doghouse......well you will have a difficult time getting out....as Jim Jackson found out. As for the squad, wrong fit. This is a championship or bust team, not a team in development, do you allow your 1 year old...eh 16 year old, drive your brand new Porsche? Hell no, but that is exactly what the Nets are allowing Kidd to do. The Nets tried to put dad in the passenger seat with Frank, but you know what happens, there near misses arguments, scratches on the side, screeching tires....this is what's happening to the Nets, it don't help when Williams has missed much of the season.

I think Kidd's jersey should be retired. As always, his numbers don't do him justice. What he brought to the table was a way to feed Dirk without having Dirk eaten up with triples and quadruple teams(Thanks Nellie). He brought a different game, he changed the attitude of the Mavs from a finesse up and down offensive only race horse to a more turtle elephant, grinding team, who outwilled opponents at the end of games. He helped Dirk learn to use his teammates and save gas for the fourth quarters.

[fluid.forty.one]

I like how there is there are these surprising "differences" between Kidd and Frank. Was Kidd not anticipating this? After those years with Frank, he really couldn't see how this might end up?

What a mess.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

The hilarious thing is Frank's contract. What other org would guarantee such a long and lucrative contract to an assistant?

[Kidd Karma]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

The hilarious thing is Frank's contract. What other org would guarantee such a long and lucrative contract to an assistant?

Crazy stuff, but that ain't hitting their cap. Again years where Kidd helped RJ, KMart, Mikki Moore earn big pay days, he again helps LFrank, in this case get a nice deal. Frank's hired legal help to wrangle a buyout so he doesn't have to go into the office.

I love how the NY media is spinning this, to start Kidd was after Frank. Kidd saw the 30 hour days Frank put in during his playing days and wanted Frank as HC. But now after Kidd fires Frank, reports surface from anonymous ex-Nets that Kidd hated the long practice hours, hated the 10 inch thick playbook that Frank put together, often times ignoring the play call and running his own play. I think Kidd thought it would be more of the same, where Kidd ran the show with Frank's assistance, but Frank having been in Boston and Detroit, learned to exude some control over his responsibilities, it must have been a different Frank than the one Kidd played for.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Kidd Karma

Crazy stuff, but that ain't hitting their cap. Again years where Kidd helped RJ, KMart, Mikki Moore earn big pay days, he again helps LFrank, in this case get a nice deal. Frank's hired legal help to wrangle a buyout so he doesn't have to go into the office.

I love how the NY media is spinning this, to start Kidd was after Frank. Kidd saw the 30 hour days Frank put in during his playing days and wanted Frank as HC. But now after Kidd fires Frank, reports surface from anonymous ex-Nets that Kidd hated the long practice hours, hated the 10 inch thick playbook that Frank put together, often times ignoring the play call and running his own play. I think Kidd thought it would be more of the same, where Kidd ran the show with Frank's assistance, but Frank having been in Boston and Detroit, learned to exude some control over his responsibilities, it must have been a different Frank than the one Kidd played for.

Well I certainly think Kidd thought that Frank would mentor him. That would make more sense if Frank was hired as the head coach with Jason as his top assistant. That is what should have happened. Let frank be the Nazi practice and playbook guy with Kidd being the "players" assistant coach. As we all see, it doesn't work the other way around. Kidd's head got a little too big jumping to head coach, and now he is paying the price for it with a losing team.

[EricaLubarsky]

All I know is that Lawrence is seeking legal counsel. Kidd has forbidden him from being at games.

And Pecker-ov is paying over 180 million in salaries and taxes for a team that is 5-13

[EricaLubarsky]

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nba/story/...-brooklyn-nets
Cuban: Fears playing out in Brooklyn

NEW ORLEANS -- Mark Cuban's greatest fear for the Dallas Mavericks is playing out in Brooklyn.

The Mavs owner was heavily criticized for stripping down his 2011 championship roster after the ensuing NBA lockout, opting to create space under the salary cap by not making competitive bids for several key players once they became free agents. His concern was that the franchise would deteriorate into an expensive team that wasn't good enough to contend and didn't have any realistic avenues to improve under the new collective bargaining agreement.

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That appears to be the scenario for the Brooklyn Nets, who have stumbled to a 5-13 start despite a veteran-loaded roster with a bloated payroll that will cost owner Mikhail Prokhorov $190 million including the luxury tax this season.

"That's exactly right," Cuban said Wednesday night. "You get stuck. That's exactly what I thought. ... That was definitely a fear."

Cuban had paid the luxury tax every season of its existence until 2011-12. The new CBA includes much harsher luxury tax penalties, which escalate for repeater taxpaying teams and at an incremental rate based on how much teams are over the limit.

However, it's not necessarily the money that concerned Cuban. Rather, it's the difficulty of improving a roster as a team paying the luxury tax under the current set of rules that led him to bid farewell to key championship pieces such as Tyson Chandler, J.J. Barea and current Nets guard Jason Terry.

"Those two go hand in hand," Cuban said. "If we were [a team full of 25-year-olds], the massive luxury tax bill is nothing. But when you know as you get older, you get stuck. ... It's not just that you're stuck for a week or a half a season, you're stuck. Now that the rules got even more stringent, you're even more stuck."

Cuban's plan had been to sign a superstar to pair with Dirk Nowitzki in one of the last two offseasons. But he struck out on that goal, as Nets point guard Deron Williams and Houston Rockets center Dwight Howard turned down the Mavs and Los Angeles Clippers point guard Chris Paul declined even a meeting with the team.

The Mavs instead added several free agents this summer, a crop headlined by guards Monta Ellis and Jose Calderon. They're now positioned to contend for a Western Conference playoff spot -- after Dallas' 12-year playoff run ended last season -- and will have the cap space to be major players in free agency again this summer.

The Nets did manage to make bold moves last summer, acquiring 37-year-old Kevin Garnett, 36-year-old Paul Pierce and 36-year old Terry in a trade with the Boston Celtics. Their contracts are worth a combined $33.4 million plus luxury-tax penalties this season. Garnett and Terry are signed through next season.

"There was a reason they were trying to get rid of them," Cuban said of those contracts.

That trade created a lot of positive publicity for the Nets at the time, but it hasn't panned out so far. The production of Pierce (12.4 points per game), Garnett (6.5) and Terry (5.3) has dropped off dramatically from last season in Boston, much less the prime of their careers. Now, the Nets are in the news for the wrong reasons.

"It was almost like the Lakers, right?" Cuban said, referring to last season's heavily hyped Los Angeles team after its summer acquisitions of Howard and Steve Nash. "It was just preordained, a super team, and it's just tough. We went into last season thinking the Lakers [would be great]. The discussion was, would they win 70 games? Super teams are tough, particularly as guys get older. Again, they could still turn it all around. It's just not easy."

Asked if he had any advice for Prokhorov, Cuban cracked, "Drink more? I don't know."

[Bayliss]

Kidd (IMO) will be a GREAT coach. He brings to coaching what many of the other great players lack: articulation and teaching ability.

But the Nets are a trainwreck right now. They have no young talent, and their old vets are way past their prime.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Kidd (IMO) will be a GREAT coach. He brings to coaching what many of the other great players lack: articulation and teaching ability.

But the Nets are a trainwreck right now. They have no young talent, and their old vets are way past their prime.

And they mostly traded away their draft picks for the next 5 years to get those over-the-hill vets... The Nets went all-in and faceplanted.

[sike]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

He brings to coaching what many of the other great players lack: articulation and teaching ability.

BAZING

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by Bayliss

Kidd (IMO) will be a GREAT coach. He brings to coaching what many of the other great players lack: articulation and teaching ability.

But the Nets are a trainwreck right now. They have no young talent, and their old vets are way past their prime.

I think Kidd outlasts King, at least for now. Kidd might get a season longer than King gets. King has a sort of façade of competence, but the Sixers, apart from that fluky championship series appearance where they played sacrificial lamb to the Lakers, seemed held together with bailing wire and duct tape thereafter. Never quite understood replacing Rod Thorn with Billy King (though maybe that was Avery's doing--who knows.) Seems like Thorn was on his way out as soon as Prokhorov bought in.

Kidd, to mix a few metaphors, looks like a deer lost in the headlights, stuck in the starting blocks, who has not yet begun to fight. As distasteful as the thing with Frank is/was, at least he's showing a competitive pulse. But he's going to have to show more than the ability to be a backbiting corporate infighter to survive. And soon.

Everything hinges on Williams getting healthy, coming back and clicking with Kidd. In fact, Williams and Lopez are a reasonable start in terms of talent. But King's bulk purchase of Celtics is looking like a losing bet--KG is further gone in terms of production than anticipated, Pierce and Terry are injured. Ditto for AK-47. But all of these are King's moves, including Kidd. I just don't see how he (King) won't be held responsible before Kidd.

[Jack.Kerr]

Kidd's path just got a little steeper: Lopez out for the year with a broken foot. Three surgeries since 2011. Damned shame. Will his career get cut short like Ming's? Or will he be able to play a long career in a diminished role like Bill Cartwright?

Logical option would be Asik, but Nets have no assets. Would Houston take KG in a package? Would KG waive his no-trade clause? Billy King says the Nets won't be making any moves, but tough to see them moving up if they don't move someone into Lopez's spot.

Really hate to see a talented player like Lopez have his career shortened.

[Kidd Karma]

Rumors floating that Houston asked for Deron in trade for Asik and Lin.

And this:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba...r-pacers-loss/

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

All I know is that Lawrence is seeking legal counsel. Kidd has forbidden him from being at games.

And Pecker-ov is paying over 180 million in salaries and taxes for a team that is 5-13

17-22, 7th in the east and 7-3 in their last 10.

Lessee so that is 12-9 since jkiddo fired Lawrence.

[sike]

Love the idea of Kidd turning around that team.

Unlike some in Big D, I've got nothing but love for JKidd.

*Other than his troublesome private life*

[dude1394]

I'd also love to see Carmelo fail, that would be icing.

[Underdog]

@KBergCBS: In a wholly unexpected turn of events, the Nets have given coach Jason Kidd permission to talk to the Bucks, league source confirms.

@KBergCBS: Kidd made a play to become the Nets' president and coach and lost, source says. Owner Mikhail Prokhorov, according to one account, said no.

‏@KBergCBS: Whatever happens in Milwaukee, difficult to imagine Kidd returning to Nets. "I don't see it," source said of bombshell turn of events.

@KBergCBS: Not clear what Kidd's end game is with Bucks, who have a coach, Larry Drew, and a GM, John Hammond, who just drafted Jabari Parker.


Denied promotion, Jason Kidd gets OK to talk with Bucks

[EricaLubarsky]

Wow.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

In some ways, I don't blame Kidd. That organization is terribly run, and he thought he could take advantage. Shocking that this would go as far as him leaving though.

[j0Shi]

dat swag

[Jack.Kerr]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

In some ways, I don't blame Kidd. That organization is terribly run, and he thought he could take advantage. Shocking that this would go as far as him leaving though.

Dolan laughs. Billy King wipes his brow. Lawrence Frank files another weekly report with a wry grin. Mark Jackson licks his lips. Larry Drew and John Hammond simultaneously mouth, "WTF?!" Byron Scott finishes off a bag of popcorn and shakes his head. Kevin McHale glances over his shoulder. Somewhere in China, Stephon Marbuy says, "SEE? I told y'all I was the best point guard in the NBA." And somewhere Jim Jackson lip synchs "Unbreak My Heart".

Kidd is moving way too fast, but it's probably also an indictment of Billy King that Kidd saw this power play as his best chance at survival. And for his trouble, Milwaukee.

[twelli]

What's with the hurry? He might be better off working as an assistant coach first, why wanting all that power after just one season?