Mavs get Porzingis

[Thespiralgoeson]

For all the talk about firing Carlisle and how utterly horrible and incompetent Cuban and Donnie are, and we're going to lose Luka because of their incompetence... I honestly think almost everything negative about the Mavs' prospects can be traced back to Porzingis.

A few weeks ago, the Mavs seemed like they were in freefall, and it seemed like Carlisle has lost the team. I said then that if things didn't improve soon, it might be time to move on. But guess what? Things improved. The Mavs have won 7 of their last 9 games, and morale seems to be infinitely better. You can't tell me coaching has nothing to do with this. Yes, Luka carries the team on his back, but Carlisle must be doing something right also.

As for the roster problems and the team being lousy outside of Luka... well, again, I feel like it comes back to Porzingis not being the guy we need him to be. We can complain about how horrible it was for the Mavs to have made the trade for KP in the first place, but that's totally revisionist. Everyone on this forum and in the entire basketball world thought at the time that it was a genius move for the Mavs and yet another idiotic disaster for the Knicks. We gave up two draft picks, and a guy who didn't fit with Luka, wasn't part of our long terms plans, and has pretty much washed out of the NBA entirely. The KP trade was NOT seen as some high-risk, swing-for-the-fences, all-in type of deal. Quite the opposite. It seemed incredibly low risk at the time. Signing KP to the max in retrospect seems like a disaster, but again, not so at the time.

I'm not saying the MBT has done some kind of amazing job- the Josh Green pick looks like a waste- but they've hardly been terrible either. The truth is, building an NBA title contender is really frigging hard, and requires a LOT of good luck. The Mavs, sadly, ran into some really bad luck with Porzingis.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

I'm not saying the MBT has done some kind of amazing job- the Josh Green pick looks like a waste- but they've hardly been terrible either. The truth is, building an NBA title contender is really frigging hard, and requires a LOT of good luck. The Mavs, sadly, ran into some really bad luck with Porzingis.

Why was Green a bad pick?

I'm just curious as to why people feel this way.

My feeling is he's a good player very active on defense and does a great job on offense in terms of moving without the ball.

I felt like when he was getting minutes doing the covid situation he actually got better game by game.

But IMO I just don't think RC gave him that much rope as a rookie. On most other rosters I think he would be getting 10-12 MPG every night.

I fully expect Green to turn out to be a solid NBA rotation player down the road.

As for KP, I just think it's a matter of him staying healthy and also the Mavs need to keep him engaged offensively early in games. He has a tendency to venture outside all game if the Mavs aren't calling set plays for him.

That Brooklyn game was more like a blue print as to how he should be used but I know because this a 3-point happy team we may not see KP utilized that way moving forward.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Why was Green a bad pick?

I'm just curious as to why people feel this way.

My feeling is he's a good player very active on defense and does a great job on offense in terms of moving without the ball.

I felt like when he was getting minutes doing the covid situation he actually got better game by game.

But IMO I just don't think RC gave him that much rope as a rookie. On most other rosters I think he would be getting 10-12 MPG every night.

I fully expect Green to turn out to be a solid NBA rotation player down the road.

As for KP, I just think it's a matter of him staying healthy and also the Mavs need to keep him engaged offensively early in games. He has a tendency to venture outside all game if the Mavs aren't calling set plays for him.

That Brooklyn game was more like a blue print as to how he should be used but I know because this a 3-point happy team we may not see KP utilized that way moving forward.

I'll be honest. I haven't seen him play more than the rare minute or two here and there he got for the Mavs this season. He might end up being a fine player. I have no idea. I just know that DNP's in the G-league don't look good, particularly when other players drafted after him are thriving.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

As for KP, I just think it's a matter of him staying healthy

That has always been KP's problem, and I'm convinced that it always will be. He has missed, what, 40% of his NBA career? I hope I'm wrong, but so far in his Mavs' career, my most pessimistic expectations for his health have been exceeded. Some guys are just injury prone. Ridiculously tall guys like him usually are. (And anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Seriously, I'm not having that argument again with anyone.)

And I'm afraid that Bubble KP is probably gone forever. I just don't think you can have surgery on both knees without losing some mobility.

[taibumu]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

That has always been KP's problem, and I'm convinced that it always will be. He has missed, what, 40% of his NBA career? I hope I'm wrong, but so far in his Mavs' career, my most pessimistic expectations for his health have been exceeded. Some guys are just injury prone. Ridiculously tall guys like him usually are. (And anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Seriously, I'm not having that argument again with anyone.)



And I'm afraid that Bubble KP is probably gone forever. I just don't think you can have surgery on both knees without losing some mobility.

You are wrong. The most important player in Europe in the defensive way Eddie Tavares is as tall as KP and he is always available.

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[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by taibumu

You are wrong. The most important player in Europe in the defensive way Eddie Tavares is as tall as KP and he is always available.

Enviado desde mi Mi 10 mediante Tapatalk

There are rare exceptions, but they are indeed the exceptions. And even IF there was no correlation between height and injury, it's moot when it comes to KP. KP is injury prone, regardless of whether or not it's related to his height.

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Some guys are just injury prone. Ridiculously tall guys like him usually are. (And anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Seriously, I'm not having that argument again with anyone.)

And I say you are wrong about 7’3” guys being more injury prone. I have done research that says otherwise. And seriously - don’t start the argument up again if you don’t want to argue the point

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by MFFL

And I say you are wrong about 7’3” guys being more injury prone. I have done research that says otherwise.

History is not on your side. But whatever.

And seriously - don’t start the argument up again if you don’t want to argue the point

Nah, I'll say it whenever I feel like it, thank you.

[MFFL]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

History is not on your side. But whatever.

Nah, I'll say it whenever I feel like it, thank you.

I think you don't understand the phrase, correlation is not causation. But whatever

Say it whenever you want to. I'll be your huckleberry

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by MFFL

I think you don't understand the phrase, correlation is not causation. But whatever.

I understand it exactly. Do you? It's actually hilarious that you bring it up, because that's exactly what I was thinking when you responded. You mentioning it undermines your argument because it actually concedes that there IS a correlation. Saying that correlation is not causation does not mean that there is no correlation. It means that merely that it isn't definitively proven that one thing is the cause of the other. And that is absolutely true. It isn't definitively proven, and I certainly can't prove that really, really tall players are injury prone. There have been no real scientific studies on this to my knowledge. But correlation IS a form of evidence, and it is suggestive of causation, if not definitive proof of it.

Say it whenever you want to. I'll be your huckleberry

Good. Because I'm saying it again. There absolutely 100% is a correlation between being extremely tall and being injury prone. If you say otherwise, you are absolutely wrong.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

. Ridiculously tall guys like him usually are. (And anyone who says otherwise is wrong.

For the record, these were the exact words I used. Usually. Not always. Usually. If you really want to maintain that that's just a coincidence, fine. But you are definitely in the minority.