2018 Free Agency / Armchair GM Thread - Page 28 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

3_Ball · 07-02-2018, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I think you're missing the point here -- Boogie would have turned his nose up at anything less than a max offer from any team aside from Golden State. They got the "hardware discount" that no other team could have offered because nobody else can give him a championship on a silver platter.

There's far more than a $5-10m gulf between the Warriors and the Mavericks for a guy like Cousins.

I agree. It looks like that on the surface, but according to what Marc J Spears said on Sportscenter tonight, Cousins literally received no interest from any team (i.e. not a single phone call from anybody). He was up late last night at his Vegas hotel, sitting on his balcony & very disappointed/insulted. He called his agent at that moment & said call Golden State.

Doesn't sound like he was hell bent on going to Golden State from the jump. Although, that could totally be a post-signing narrative to make it seem less "super-teamy" to the media & fans.

Also, a little nugget from Woj. He said "several teams" had concerns about Cousins attitude & did not want him in their locker room around their young players. I take that to mean the Mavs because Woj consistently mentioned the Mavs being an option for Cousins prior to the draft. If that's the case, then Kudos to the Mavs! Very sound judgement.

Again, I did not want Cousins here. Just very surprised nobody offered him anything & he had to settle for a MLE. Achilles & all, the guy is still a 4-time All Star. He must have a total shit reputation among NBA inner circles.

Dtownsfinest · 07-02-2018, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

With 2/5 of our starters being too young to legally buy alcohol in this country? We might be gunning for that last playoff spot, but yeah, it's a rebuild.

Yeah but what about the rest of the team? 2 of our 5 best players are over 30 with Dirk closing at 40....I just looked at this as a "retool". A true rebuild is to completely start over from scratch and tank a few years.

Dtownsfinest · 07-02-2018, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Soooo...whats realistic and good options for us now? Who is going to sign for ~4m?

With Cousins taking the deal he took....now i'm wondering are there anymore guys out there who'd take a little less just to showcase their skills and raise their value some?

Dtownsfinest · 07-02-2018, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Wayne Ellington? Luc Mbah a Moute? Avery Bradley (best-case scenario)?

We really could use Ellington's shooting........Avery Bradley is intriguing but he's not the shooter we need.

3_Ball · 07-02-2018, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Soooo...whats realistic and good options for us now? Who is going to sign for ~4m?

This is a great question... Seems like we cast aside the role players to grab DJ. Gotta trust the Mavs have some hidden gems in mind to give those spots to, but who those hidden gems might be. No idea. I'd say that's why they're hidden. Everyone that was on my radar has signed with another team now.

edit: Technically, Isaiah Thomas is still on the market. Doesn't fit in here at all tho. Tyreke Evans is out there, rumored to have multiple teams interest (think that rumor was started by his agent tho). As long as we're welcoming Jordan to Dallas with open arms, why not D Wade too?

Jeff Green do anything for you? Not me.

Alex Len... meh...

Noah Vonleh???

Pat Connaughton??? Plz tell me we don't get that desperate.

EricaLubarsky · 07-02-2018, 10:38 PM

We have 13 players out of a max of 15— and no money

Don’t get too excited

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-02-2018, 10:42 PM

The reality is that the Wes deal falling through semi-screwed us this summer, but next summer there will be a lot of talent with all of these one year or two year player option deals.

3_Ball · 07-02-2018, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Jordan/Powell/Mejri
Dirk/Kleber
Barnes/DFS/
Doncic/Matthews
Smith/Barea/Brunson/Yogi (QO)
*Motley

13+1 guys on the roster.

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

We have 13 players out of a max of 15— and no money

Don’t get too excited

I suppose you're right... Kleber I like a little, don't mind him as a very back of the bench guy... Motley I'm fine with seeing what he has for a season. Hopefully he sees more minutes this season.

Yogi is very meh to me. I'd rather just have Brunson in his role.

I'm almost certain DFS doesn't belong on an NBA roster. Feel like we should of been able to upgrade there as one of the few teams with cap space. I feel the same way about Mejri, but he is a former teammate of Luka & has an attitude, so whatevs…

I don't see where the 3 point shooting is on the bench. Wes & Dirk, but it use to be a strength. Plus, Wes & Dirk offer precious little else at this point in their careers.

There's certainly no perimeter defense on the bench outside of maybe DFS?

SMC0007 · 07-02-2018, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Yeah but what about the rest of the team? 2 of our 5 best players are over 30 with Dirk closing at 40....I just looked at this as a "retool". A true rebuild is to completely start over from scratch and tank a few years.

I got only one of our 5 best at 30.
Barnes
DSJ
Jordan
Powell
Luka

This falls between a retool and a rebuild. Dirk is still here as well as wes for another year but they are definitely not the core of the team. Considering Dirk and wes 2 of the best 5 is a huge stretch.

Underdog · 07-02-2018, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Yeah but what about the rest of the team? 2 of our 5 best players are over 30 with Dirk closing at 40....I just looked at this as a "retool". A true rebuild is to completely start over from scratch and tank a few years.

Jordan, Dirk, Barea, Wes, and Mejri all come off the books next year, Barnes and Powell come off the books the year after that... Everybody over 25 (half the roster) could be gone in the next two years. That's a rebuild.

mac222b · 07-02-2018, 11:06 PM

Ellington was here a few years back and couldn’t get off the bench. Doubt he wants to come back for the prospect of more of that

mac222b · 07-02-2018, 11:08 PM

Mbah Moute has a nice year and can provide spacing but he’s more of a 4-5 and had that separated shoulder issue recur. He’s seemingly always dinged up.

Mavs#1Fan · 07-02-2018, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 3_Ball

edit: Technically, Isaiah Thomas is still on the market. Doesn't fit in here at all tho.

I'd take a flyer on Thomas instead of Yogi

Trade JJ to any interested party and roll with Smith & Thomas

NeedlesKane · 07-02-2018, 11:13 PM

Ellington is a different player, and this is a different team. I think he could actually be a better fit with this squad.

sefant77 · 07-02-2018, 11:30 PM

Heeeeeell no to Isiah...the guy is desperate for his first payday and is going to look at his stats and nothing else.

Dude is 29 and has career earnings of 23 million. Parsons is the same age and has 130m in the books. Thomas is still desperate for that max contract, the injury happened at the worst time. Let him hit FA in 16 or 17 and he walks away with a 100m contract.

I think Thomas ends up with the Magic on a one year deal.

SMC0007 · 07-02-2018, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

Ellington is a different player, and this is a different team. I think he could actually be a better fit with this squad.

This. No one is offering him a starring role. We gave him a shot when he hadn't proven much of anything back then. Now hes a better and more confident player...and we're basically out of options.

Mavs#1Fan · 07-02-2018, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Heeeeeell no to Isiah...the guy is desperate for his first payday and is going to look at his stats and nothing else.

How is this different than Jordan? He's looking for another big payday too

A one year deal can benefit both the Mavs and Thomas

sefant77 · 07-02-2018, 11:56 PM

Jordan is ny far not so desperate like Thomas. Thomas is REALLY desperate for the money, you can hear it in pretty much every interview in the past year.

Also, Jordan knows he could have a longterm future here if all works out. The Mavs medical stuff gets a perfect look at him too and if they get the feeling that he wont fall off a cliff until 34, i could see the Mavs giving him a three year contract next summer.

sefant77 · 07-02-2018, 11:57 PM

Bradley 25/2 Clippers..

mac222b · 07-03-2018, 12:00 AM

Ellington went to Miami and got magically “in the best shape of his life!”
So yeah, he’s a different player. Just saying not a lot of minutes here if he wants to sign a one year and dip back in 2019 FA. And Rick didn’t seem too into him the first go round. He was a shooter then and had been in the league for a few years at that point

mac222b · 07-03-2018, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Bradley 25/2 Clippers..

So they got a better younger version of Wes instead of trading for Wes

3_Ball · 07-03-2018, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mavs#1Fan

I'd take a flyer on Thomas instead of Yogi

Trade JJ to any interested party and roll with Smith & Thomas

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Originally Posted by sefant77

Heeeeeell no to Isiah...the guy is desperate for his first payday and is going to look at his stats and nothing else.

Dude is 29 and has career earnings of 23 million. Parsons is the same age and has 130m in the books. Thomas is still desperate for that max contract, the injury happened at the worst time. Let him hit FA in 16 or 17 and he walks away with a 100m contract.

I think Thomas ends up with the Magic on a one year deal.

I agree with both of these statements. Kinda crazy because they don't go together at all... It's a theoretical conversation, because I just can't see Isaiah Thomas in the Mavs' system. They're not going to redesign their offense around him, which is what Stevens did in Boston to make him an All Star 2 years ago. And, I agree, ORL seems like a good fit for IT2 to get his market value up.

That said, once he started getting healthy at the end of last season, he had some really productive games for the Lakers.

The other part of this is Thomas doesn't seem himself as a backup in this league, so I doubt he'd sign here even everything else wasn't an issue. He is about the best FA left on the market tho.

Dtownsfinest · 07-03-2018, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I got only one of our 5 best at 30.
Barnes
DSJ
Jordan
Powell
Luka

This falls between a retool and a rebuild. Dirk is still here as well as wes for another year but they are definitely not the core of the team. Considering Dirk and wes 2 of the best 5 is a huge stretch.

Wes Matthews is better than Powell.

Dtownsfinest · 07-03-2018, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Jordan, Dirk, Barea, Wes, and Mejri all come off the books next year, Barnes and Powell come off the books the year after that... Everybody over 25 (half the roster) could be gone in the next two years. That's a rebuild.

This is true. I think by next season it's a true rebuild.

j0Shi · 07-03-2018, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

The reality is that the Wes deal falling through semi-screwed us this summer, but next summer there will be a lot of talent with all of these one year or two year player option deals.

Still not sure why we weren't able to get him somewhere. Dude has little value to us at this point. And he might not even start, which is also bad for him personally. I expect him to be gone by the trade deadline. Some contender might be willing to offer a 2nd + matching expirings.

Underdog · 07-03-2018, 05:57 AM

If you desperately want Wes off your roster because he’s overpaid and underperforming, then there’s your reason why nobody else wants him.

SMC0007 · 07-03-2018, 08:27 AM

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Wes Matthews is better than Powell.

Hes really not. I would take Powell over Wes 10 of 10 times. This discussion will be answered this season tho.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-03-2018, 08:31 AM

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Wes Matthews is better than Powell.

Nope.

turin · 07-03-2018, 09:00 AM

I've read a blurb or two that Chris Bosh's health may be much improved. I think I'd give him a call. There's nothing to lose, and he's a local Texas boy.

tap2390 · 07-03-2018, 09:15 AM

Prediction: Clint Capela takes the QO and becomes a UFA next season.

texasbball · 07-03-2018, 09:31 AM

Just heard Seth Curry signed elsewhere. Just caught the end of the story...

texasbball · 07-03-2018, 09:32 AM

Trail Blazers. 1+1 for 2.75 million.

BPo001 · 07-03-2018, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by tap2390

Prediction: Clint Capela takes the QO and becomes a UFA next season.

Capela to the Warriors next season confirmed.

sefant77 · 07-03-2018, 09:36 AM

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Prediction: Clint Capela takes the QO and becomes a UFA next season.

Morey is going to try to semi-lowball him but not that much to piss him that much off....i think he demands Aaron Gordon money and Morey accept it. They have no other choice and cant piss him off.

purplefrog · 07-03-2018, 09:39 AM

Pat Connaughton was released by the Blazers. He might be a 3pt specialist to look at. He has some size and would likely be cheap.

Bad news is Cousins is a Warrior and, if he can still play after his injury, will make them even more formidable. On the bright side, I am more confident that DAJ will not be poached by someone else.

SMC0007 · 07-03-2018, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

Pat Connaughton was released by the Blazers. He might be a 3pt specialist to look at. He has some size and would likely be cheap.

Bad news is Cousins is a Warrior and, if he can still play after his injury, will make them even more formidable. On the bright side, I am more confident that DAJ will not be poached by someone else.

Somehow his 3% dropped a lot last season. I just remember him draining 3's every time I watched him.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-03-2018, 09:43 AM

I'm surprised to see people around the interwebs actually upset over losing Seth Curry. 1. He obviously still isn't healthy 2. He was never really that good. 3. We have to at least attempt to get players that are over 6'3.

Skywalker · 07-03-2018, 09:49 AM

I'm much more sad about Doug than Seth. He'd be an incredibly perfect fit with this team tbh

purplefrog · 07-03-2018, 09:52 AM

Wolves parted ways with Nemanja Bjelica. he shot 41% from 3pt last season and is a career 37% from long distance. Don't know much about him, but he is a 6'10" PF... he is also 30 years old.

SMC0007 · 07-03-2018, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

Wolves parted ways with Nemanja Bjelica. he shot 41% from 3pt last season and is a career 37% from long distance. Don't know much about him, but he is a 6'10" PF... he is also 30 years old.

He's not a bad defender but Idk if he can defend the wing well enough to reap full benefits of him being able to stretch the floor offensively. I have no idea if we could even afford him.