NBA Coast to Coast - Josh Howard better than Dirk?! - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Dortmund · 01-30-2008, 02:46 PM

did you all hear what one of the idiots on nba coast-to-coast said last night?!

he's claiming that josh howard is a better overall player than dirk. it also sounded like he was leaning on howard being more important to the team.

now where the hell does he get that?

overall leaders between dirk and josh:

fg% - dirk
ft% - dirk
3pt% - dirk
rebounds - dirk
assists - dirk
blocks - dirk
points - dirk
steals - josh

josh is only better in steals. and looking at it from a non-stat perspective, dirk is the one that teams worry about. its dirk that always gets double teamed, not josh. dirk usually takes the big shots and is our franchise player ffs.

sorry for the rant. stupid "professional" analysts.

anyone got any thoughts?

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-30-2008, 02:53 PM

What bothers me is why the media thinks KG is God's gift to earth. I'd have Dirk over KG any day of the week.

Hydhypedplaya · 01-30-2008, 03:44 PM

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What bothers me is why the media thinks KG is God's gift to earth. I'd have Dirk over KG any day of the week.

How can you even say that? KG is wayyyyyyyyyyyy better than Dirk..its not even close...KG has a great offensive game and is an amazing defender (something Dirk is not even close to being)

Thespiralgoeson · 01-30-2008, 04:10 PM

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How can you even say that? KG is wayyyyyyyyyyyy better than Dirk..its not even close...KG has a great offensive game and is an amazing defender (something Dirk is not even close to being)

KG is a much better defender, but the simple fact is that opposing defenses don't scramble to try to find ways to deal with him. His offensive game is good, but not "great." At the end of the day, I would say Dirk leaves at least as much of a mark on the game, probably more. Really it's a toss up, but of the two I would take Dirk.

Hydhypedplaya · 01-30-2008, 04:27 PM

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KG is a much better defender, but the simple fact is that opposing defenses don't scramble to try to find ways to deal with him. His offensive game is good, but not "great." At the end of the day, I would say Dirk leaves at least as much of a mark on the game, probably more. Really it's a toss up, but of the two I would take Dirk.

KEVIN GARNETT
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 19.2
RPG 9.9
APG 3.8
SPG 1.4
BPG 1.4
FG% 0.551
FT% 0.803
3P% 0.000
MPG 35.0

DIRK
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 22.3
RPG 8.6
APG 3.8
SPG 0.7
BPG 1.0
FG% 0.487
FT% 0.871
3P% 0.322
MPG 36.5

Garnett does everything Dirk does either better or the same. Dirk plays a couple extra minutes more a game then KG too. Also you have to remember that earlier in the season the Celtics were just repeatedly blowing out teams so KG would barely play any minutes in the 4th quarter. Whenever the celtics would have a close game KG's numbers would go up...after taking all of this into account you have to remember that KG controls the paint on the defensive end....the guy just has amazing defense and that is something that Dirk will never be able to do throughout his career...Another thing about KG is that somebody like Stephen Jackson would NEVER EVER be able to shut down KG...that would just fire KG up more...the guy wears his heart on his sleeve and plays w/ raw emotion and brings it EVERY SINGLE GAME...I mean put your homerism aside for a second and really think about who the better player is. (Also remember if KG has to he can EASILY be the leagues top rebounder, he has done it in the past and if his team needs him to he would do it again)

Thespiralgoeson · 01-30-2008, 05:26 PM

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KEVIN GARNETT
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 19.2
RPG 9.9
APG 3.8
SPG 1.4
BPG 1.4
FG% 0.551
FT% 0.803
3P% 0.000
MPG 35.0

DIRK
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 22.3
RPG 8.6
APG 3.8
SPG 0.7
BPG 1.0
FG% 0.487
FT% 0.871
3P% 0.322
MPG 36.5

Garnett does everything Dirk does either better or the same. Dirk plays a couple extra minutes more a game then KG too. Also you have to remember that earlier in the season the Celtics were just repeatedly blowing out teams so KG would barely play any minutes in the 4th quarter. Whenever the celtics would have a close game KG's numbers would go up...after taking all of this into account you have to remember that KG controls the paint on the defensive end....the guy just has amazing defense and that is something that Dirk will never be able to do throughout his career...Another thing about KG is that somebody like Stephen Jackson would NEVER EVER be able to shut down KG...that would just fire KG up more...the guy wears his heart on his sleeve and plays w/ raw emotion and brings it EVERY SINGLE GAME...

Dude, it's easy to dole out shallow stats like ppg. The fact of the matter is, as scorers they're really not even close. Dirk can create his own shot, Garnett can't. Defenses are thrown into chaos trying to cover Dirk. They don't do that for Garnett. Never have.

And also, it wasn't Stephen Jackson who shut down Dirk, it was the warriors (and I'd say Avery did as much as he could to "shut Dirk down" as well.) And if KG was in the same position, I doubt they'd have to "shut down" KG, because they'd probably just put single coverage on him through the whole series.

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I mean put your homerism aside for a second and really think about who the better player is. (Also remember if KG has to he can EASILY be the leagues top rebounder, he has done it in the past and if his team needs him to he would do it again)

Garnett is a better passer, rebounder and defender than Dirk is. But as scorers, they're not close. And please, don't just throw stats like PPG or FG%, because if you're just going to go by the most arbitrary of statistics, then Duncan's career pales in comparison's to Garnett's, but we all know that's just not true.

DirkFTW · 01-30-2008, 03:03 PM

I think it's clear from these reports that Josh is our MIP. 501, yo!

MavsX · 01-30-2008, 03:03 PM

good stats.

Dortmund · 01-30-2008, 03:12 PM

i just posted those stats to see what he could have been talking about when he said better overall player? nothing shows for his arguement. the stats don't and neither does anything else like his importance to the team, vision on the court, smarts, etc.

Flacolaco · 01-30-2008, 03:46 PM

Anyone seen Silk lately?

mary · 01-30-2008, 04:51 PM

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Anyone seen Silk lately?

who?

Silk Smoov · 01-30-2008, 10:10 PM

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Anyone seen Silk lately?

I am here. I have been very busy lately and have been just lurking around reading the boards. My interest has peaked again with all those three way trade stuff going on right now.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-30-2008, 04:27 PM

Ok lets put it this way..when the two duel, Dirk usually wins. And I don't think Hypedplaya watches many Mavs games if he thinks Dirk isn't even close to as good of a defender. I think Dirk is a very solid defensive player this season. He covers the post very well this year.

Bathouse Bear · 01-30-2008, 04:59 PM

Dirk is a better basketball player than Kevin Garnett.

He wins more, he scores more and he produces in the playoffs.

When the two of them went head to head in the 2002 playoffs Dirk averaged 30 points and 15 rebounds in leading the Mavs to a sweep.

cjbcool · 01-31-2008, 03:19 AM

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Dirk is a better basketball player than Kevin Garnett.

He wins more, he scores more and he produces in the playoffs.

When the two of them went head to head in the 2002 playoffs Dirk averaged 30 points and 15 rebounds in leading the Mavs to a sweep.

Are you Serious?
What about the two other guys that averaged 20 points a game?
We had the better team. Steve Nash and Michael Finley contributed alot to that win. Both shot a better FG% than Dirk.

The Mavs beat the Twolves.

And what is this "he produces in the playoffs" crap. When we have needed Dirk to step up in the Play0ffs he hasnt. Dont get me wrong, in 05 he played great up until the Heat Series. And we won't talk about last year. Like it or not, Dirk will be judged like a Super Star, and Super stars shine when no one expects them to. They shine bright in the regular season, but in the playoffs they are blazing.

endrity · 01-31-2008, 06:10 AM

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Are you Serious?
What about the two other guys that averaged 20 points a game?
We had the better team. Steve Nash and Michael Finley contributed alot to that win. Both shot a better FG% than Dirk.

The Mavs beat the Twolves.

And what is this "he produces in the playoffs" crap. When we have needed Dirk to step up in the Play0ffs he hasnt. Dont get me wrong, in 05 he played great up until the Heat Series. And we won't talk about last year. Like it or not, Dirk will be judged like a Super Star, and Super stars shine when no one expects them to. They shine bright in the regular season, but in the playoffs they are blazing.

please don't start this because it clearely says you never watched the t-wolves. That year we beat them, KG had the best team outside the 04 one. In case you don't know I will tell you. They had Billups, who also averaged about 25 that series. They had Wally in his All Star year, giving them about 20 a game with deadly outside shooting. They had a guy name Anthony Peeler, who you probably have no idea who he is, who was at the time one of the best 3pt shooters in the league. And they also had, if I am not forgetting, Earvin Johnson at center, a typical tough minded defensive center.

You know what happened in that series. Anytime it was close, the Mavs would throw the ball to Dirk in the mid post, kinda like they do now. KG was on him everytime. And Dirk schooled the man. It's that simple.Maybe it's hard for you to understand how a white European can do that to an all-powerful and athletic american 7footer but he did, and has done it to the rest of the league. Since you saw Bird play, I suppose you are not that young, you should understand this better than anyone.

p.s Spiral, thnx for the propz

Thespiralgoeson · 01-31-2008, 04:41 PM

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please don't start this because it clearely says you never watched the t-wolves. That year we beat them, KG had the best team outside the 04 one. In case you don't know I will tell you. They had Billups, who also averaged about 25 that series. They had Wally in his All Star year, giving them about 20 a game with deadly outside shooting. They had a guy name Anthony Peeler, who you probably have no idea who he is, who was at the time one of the best 3pt shooters in the league. And they also had, if I am not forgetting, Earvin Johnson at center, a typical tough minded defensive center.

You know what happened in that series. Anytime it was close, the Mavs would throw the ball to Dirk in the mid post, kinda like they do now. KG was on him everytime. And Dirk schooled the man. It's that simple.Maybe it's hard for you to understand how a white European can do that to an all-powerful and athletic american 7footer but he did, and has done it to the rest of the league. Since you saw Bird play, I suppose you are not that young, you should understand this better than anyone.

p.s Spiral, thnx for the propz

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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to endrity again.

ugh

Five-ofan · 01-31-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by cjbcool

Are you Serious?
What about the two other guys that averaged 20 points a game?
We had the better team. Steve Nash and Michael Finley contributed alot to that win. Both shot a better FG% than Dirk.

The Mavs beat the Twolves.

And what is this "he produces in the playoffs" crap. When we have needed Dirk to step up in the Play0ffs he hasnt. Dont get me wrong, in 05 he played great up until the Heat Series. And we won't talk about last year. Like it or not, Dirk will be judged like a Super Star, and Super stars shine when no one expects them to. They shine bright in the regular season, but in the playoffs they are blazing.

you must not consider kg a superstar.

nikeball · 01-31-2008, 01:30 PM

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Are you Serious?
What about the two other guys that averaged 20 points a game?
We had the better team. Steve Nash and Michael Finley contributed alot to that win. Both shot a better FG% than Dirk.

The Mavs beat the Twolves.

And what is this "he produces in the playoffs" crap. When we have needed Dirk to step up in the Play0ffs he hasnt. Dont get me wrong, in 05 he played great up until the Heat Series. And we won't talk about last year. Like it or not, Dirk will be judged like a Super Star, and Super stars shine when no one expects them to. They shine bright in the regular season, but in the playoffs they are blazing.

So...anybody who doesn't "blaze" in the playoffs isn't a superstar? People who can't get out of the first round usually mean they dont "blaze" enough. Sorry Tmac (even though he really isnt a superstar), KG, Kobe (post Shaq), or maybe they didn't shine brightly enough to win a championship. Sorry anyone not named Tim Duncan or Shaq.

cjbcool....your post contradicts itself. In the first half you say that Teams win basketball series (Mavs beat TWolves)..and then in second half you say that superstars win series (Dirk didnt beat Heat)..which is it?

Underdog · 01-31-2008, 01:38 PM

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When we have needed Dirk to step up in the Play0ffs he hasnt.

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Tokey41 · 01-30-2008, 05:07 PM

I've heard a few analysts make the claim that Josh is the Mavericks best all around player. We all know that's ridiculous, and we all know this team wouldn't be where it's at if Dirk wasnt on it.

And for the little mini debate going on here... if we replaced the reigning MVP with KG, we would have a similar record. But KG is by no means a far better player than Dirk, it's too close to call (although Dirk usually gets the best of him in head to heads, which in my books gives him the slight edge).

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-30-2008, 05:08 PM

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I've heard a few analysts make the claim that Josh is the Mavericks best all around player. We all know that's ridiculous, and we all know this team wouldn't be where it's at if Dirk wasnt on it.

And for the little mini debate going on here... if we replaced the reigning MVP with KG, we would have a similar record. But KG is by no means a far better player than Dirk, it's too close to call (although Dirk usually gets the best of him in head to heads, which in my books gives him the slight edge).

Amen brotha!

AxdemxO · 01-30-2008, 05:40 PM

OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

why do people on here always start dumb comparisons

KG > Dirk > Howard

I love Dirk but hes not better then KG period as an overall BB player. Dirk is obviously better then Josh, but I would assume that what the guys meant is that Josh is "Good" or average at almost every aspect of the game while Dirk is grat (one of the best ever) in one aspect and average or below average in others. Thats wht they meant by Josh being better overall, but that one place where Dirk is great makes him better than Josh and thats offense. If Josh keeps improving his offense and gets to a certain point then you could make a case but rite now its not.

**response to some1 saying somthing tht made no sense a cup of posts above. KG is always doubled and teams do always look for ways to stop him, but they never do because hes a great passer and if hes not doing it offensively then he is defensively.

Thespiralgoeson · 01-30-2008, 11:31 PM

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**response to some1 saying somthing tht made no sense a cup of posts above. KG is always doubled and teams do always look for ways to stop him, but they never do because hes a great passer and if hes not doing it offensively then he is defensively.

No way. I've watched both players their entire careers and Garnett does nowhere near the damage that Dirk does to the opposing team's defensive schemes. Now, Garnett has been doubled for most of his career, but that's because Minnesota never had anyone else worth guarding. But Garnett's offensive game is just not nearly as deadly as Dirk's.

fluid.forty.one · 01-30-2008, 11:33 PM

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No way. I've watched both players their entire careers and Garnett does nowhere near the damage that Dirk does to the opposing team's defensive schemes. Now, Garnett has been doubled for most of his career, but that's because Minnesota never had anyone else worth guarding. But Garnett's offensive game is just not nearly as deadly as Dirk's.

Yep. It would also be interesting to see how switching Dirk and KG in dallas would affect Jho and maybe even Harris' numbers. I'm almost certain Howard would not be getting all star like numbers if this were the case.

Dirkadirkastan · 01-30-2008, 05:46 PM

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't pay much heed to those who intentionally misspell words.

Underdog · 01-30-2008, 05:50 PM

When is the last time Josh (or even Garnett) was TRIPLE-teamed?

endrity · 01-30-2008, 05:58 PM

When will people realize that KG's offense is average, not good at anything. When did anyone see him dominate in the low block. Please tell me. Please tell me what low block moves does he have, cause I've watched him for a couple of years and have yet to see any. He has one, ONE, offensive move, a little turnaround on the left block 10-15 feet away. But it only extends at that. His shooting beyond that range is iffy. What Dirk does to opposing defenses is incomparable to Garnett. I never saw the Spurs change their whole philosophy to cover Garnett.

Fact is great players take over games by scoring. We have had one player in this league that made a reputation as a all-time great with defense, Bill Russell. And one could argue that he had so much offensive talent around that he never needed to score. The problem with KG is that he is good at every trade, a master at none. Which means in the 4th quarter you can only do so much. That is why Dirk has consistently been a great 4th quarter scorer and KG hasn't. And by the way Dirk's defense might not be as good as Garnett's but ever since Nash and Fin left, I rarely see Dirk put in a tough situation. The penetration we allowed back in the day made him look even worse than he really was. The Mavs have been a great defensive team under Avery so Dirk can't be that bad. And I have read scouts who say that the one which gives orders to the defense on the floor is Dirk, he points out the plays of the opposition and stuff. His physical limits will not allow him to be a great defender, but he has become a smarter one.

Regarding the Josh thing. It's not new. It's just people trying to find something new to say. They blame Dirk for last year, so in order to say that the Mavs are good this year you gotta reward someone else. Anyone that has seen the Mavs knows it's not true. More important than that, you could argue our success in the 1st half is just as much because of Devin. But he is not known nationally so you can't say him just yet.

Thespiralgoeson · 01-30-2008, 11:34 PM

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When will people realize that KG's offense is average, not good at anything. When did anyone see him dominate in the low block. Please tell me. Please tell me what low block moves does he have, cause I've watched him for a couple of years and [have yet to see any. He has one, ONE, offensive move, a little turnaround on the left block 10-15 feet away. But it only extends at that. His shooting beyond that range is iffy. What Dirk does to opposing defenses is incomparable to Garnett. I never saw the Spurs change their whole philosophy to cover Garnett.

This man speaks the truth!

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Fact is great players take over games by scoring. We have had one player in this league that made a reputation as a all-time great with defense, Bill Russell. And one could argue that he had so much offensive talent around that he never needed to score. The problem with KG is that he is good at every trade, a master at none. Which means in the 4th quarter you can only do so much. That is why Dirk has consistently been a great 4th quarter scorer and KG hasn't. And by the way Dirk's defense might not be as good as Garnett's but ever since Nash and Fin left, I rarely see Dirk put in a tough situation. The penetration we allowed back in the day made him look even worse than he really was. The Mavs have been a great defensive team under Avery so Dirk can't be that bad. And I have read scouts who say that the one which gives orders to the defense on the floor is Dirk, he points out the plays of the opposition and stuff. His physical limits will not allow him to be a great defender, but he has become a smarter one.

Regarding the Josh thing. It's not new. It's just people trying to find something new to say. They blame Dirk for last year, so in order to say that the Mavs are good this year you gotta reward someone else. Anyone that has seen the Mavs knows it's not true. More important than that, you could argue our success in the 1st half is just as much because of Devin. But he is not known nationally so you can't say him just yet.

Preach it!!

AxdemxO · 01-30-2008, 06:04 PM

KG is double teamed and triple teamed and if you dont think so then you dont watch many games with him in it. He was being double and triple teamed long before Dirk was.
Dirk is better on offense ...no doubt...but over all BB player....KG is ahead

Underdog · 01-30-2008, 06:10 PM

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KG is double teamed and triple teamed and if you dont think so then you dont watch many games with him in it. He was being double and triple teamed long before Dirk was.
Dirk is better on offense ...no doubt...but over all BB player....KG is ahead

Doubled teamed? Yes...

Tripled teamed??? Well, if we're watching the same games, then I'm not smoking the same shit you are...

The only player in the league that I see constantly tripled is Dirk (and that's only because it worked against him in the Golden State series...)

Nobody in the NBA gets tripled regularly because most great players (Kobe, LeBron, even Garnett) will punish a team for it, so nobody swarms their entire defense on ONE player...

The good news? Dirk is learning how to punish teams with his pass, so by the end of this season nobody in the league is going to be tripled...

AxdemxO · 01-30-2008, 06:13 PM

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The only player in the league that I see constantly tripled is Dirk (and that's only because it worked against him in the Golden State series...)

Ohhhh thats BS..."constantly"...pleasee you make it sound like he playing one on 3 out there everynite. You are soo over exaggerating this. Yes Dirk is double and triple teamed, but constantly? the only player?? KG, Kobe, and other get that too

Underdog · 01-30-2008, 06:16 PM

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Ohhhh thats BS..."constantly"...pleasee you make it sound like he playing one on # out there everything. You are soo over exaggerating this. Yes Dirk is double and triple teamed, but constantly? the only player?? KG, Kobe, and other get that too

Okay, let me rephrase: Dirk is the only player in the NBA who gets tripled teamed every 1 in 3 games...

Garnett gets tripled at a couple crucial points in the season... Dirk gets tripled with regularity (although that's dropped off as he's learned to deal with it...)

JeopardE · 01-30-2008, 06:37 PM

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Okay, let me rephrase: Dirk is the only player in the NBA who gets tripled teamed every 1 in 3 games...

Garnett gets tripled at a couple crucial points in the season... Dirk gets tripled with regularity (although that's dropped off as he's learned to deal with it...)

Yao Ming would like to have a word with you.

Five-ofan · 01-30-2008, 07:54 PM

couple of things, KG is no longer a signifigantly better or even clearly better passer than dirk. KG is a better rebounder. that is unquestionable. KG is a better defender than dirk. However, rebounding and defense is much easier to get out of role players than DOMINANT scoring. Whens the last time you heard someone say about a roll player all he does is put up 25 a night but he doesnt defend or rebound? The answer is never because guys who do that arent role players. They are stars. as to the dirk/josh debate, its insanely obvious to anyone who watches the mavs play(and if you think josh is at least average in everything you need to see him pass) but its not shocking to say dirk is the mavs best player so they dont say that.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-30-2008, 08:52 PM

The difference between Dirk and KG in defense is much less than the gap between KG and Dirk on offense is what I think people are trying to say.

Hydhypedplaya · 01-30-2008, 10:43 PM

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The difference between Dirk and KG in defense is much less than the gap between KG and Dirk on offense is what I think people are trying to say.

I just dont understand all these people who say that Dirk is wayyyyyy better than KG on offense. I mean I seriously do not think they watch basketball beyond the Mavs games. Well I took both KG's and Dirk's best statistical season and compared them side by side, and as you can see on offense there is not much of a difference. Dirk scored 2pts more a game, and they both averaged 18shots a game. In this particular season KG had a better fg% than Dirk, but I'm not blind I know that Dirk is the better all around shooter. So yes I do give Dirk the nod on offense as being the better offensive player, but he is not that much better than KG. All the people who say that KG does not get doubled team seriously do not watch KG play much. All the people that say if KG was so great then he should have led his team out of the first round more than once do not realize that KG has never been surrounded by the talent that Dirk has through out his career. Dallas has been a great team for a REALLY REALLY long time, year after year Dallas has had a great team. The same way teams plan defensively for Dirk, they do the same exact thing for KG. Especially when KG played for Minny and was the only person who could hurt them in any way during a game. I mean when he played for Minny they didn't have to prepare for anybody on that team except for KG. So on the offensive end Dirk gets the nod, but KG is not far behind him. While on defense KG has always anchored his team on defense. The guy is just a spectacular defender and can guard all sorts of players, something Dirk could never even dream of doing. (Yes Dirk has become a better defender, but you still cant put him in the same sentence as KG on defense.) KG can and does change the game on the defensive end, he asserts his will on the game through his defense, and he is capable of doing the same thing on offense. (But Dirk is more capable than KG in asserting his will on the offensive end) There is a reason Boston became one of the best defensive teams in the league right when KG came to their team. Please people put your homerism aside and look at these two players objectively.

Five-ofan · 01-30-2008, 10:50 PM

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I just dont understand all these people who say that Dirk is wayyyyyy better than KG on offense. I mean I seriously do not think they watch basketball beyond the Mavs games. Well I took both KG's and Dirk's best statistical season and compared them side by side, and as you can see on offense there is not much of a difference. Dirk scored 2pts more a game, and they both averaged 18shots a game. In this particular season KG had a better fg% than Dirk, but I'm not blind I know that Dirk is the better all around shooter. So yes I do give Dirk the nod on offense as being the better offensive player, but he is not that much better than KG. All the people who say that KG does not get doubled team seriously do not watch KG play much. All the people that say if KG was so great then he should have led his team out of the first round more than once do not realize that KG has never been surrounded by the talent that Dirk has through out his career. Dallas has been a great team for a REALLY REALLY long time, year after year Dallas has had a great team. The same way teams plan defensively for Dirk, they do the same exact thing for KG. Especially when KG played for Minny and was the only person who could hurt them in any way during a game. I mean when he played for Minny they didn't have to prepare for anybody on that team except for KG. So on the offensive end Dirk gets the nod, but KG is not far behind him. While on defense KG has always anchored his team on defense. The guy is just a spectacular defender and can guard all sorts of players, something Dirk could never even dream of doing. (Yes Dirk has become a better defender, but you still cant put him in the same sentence as KG on defense.) KG can and does change the game on the defensive end, he asserts his will on the game through his defense, and he is capable of doing the same thing on offense. (But Dirk is more capable than KG in asserting his will on the offensive end) There is a reason Boston became one of the best defensive teams in the league right when KG came to their team. Please people put your homerism aside and look at these two players objectively.

those numbers for dirk are wrong. he hasnt played 82 games in the playoffs for his career.

Hydhypedplaya · 01-30-2008, 11:02 PM

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those numbers for dirk are wrong. he hasnt played 82 games in the playoffs for his career.

Umm according to NBA.COM they are correct...please do some research yourself before trying to take out all validity from my post.

Five-ofan · 01-30-2008, 11:10 PM

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Umm according to NBA.COM they are correct...please do some research yourself before trying to take out all validity from my post.

i just went by basketballreference.com. theirs says 53 for his games played for some reason even though if you add it up it comes out to 82. odd. sorry