2019 Mavs Free Agency - Page 14 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

sefant77 · 03-14-2019, 12:19 PM

I want us to get either Kemba or Vuc and a really solid roleplayer like Beverley.

But the way Beverley is playing the past weeks he is going home with a 10m contract

EricaLubarsky · 03-14-2019, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

guys I want us to get are - and I think we will get all 3.
Vucevic
Brogdan
Beverly

In an absolutely perfect world we could get 50mill. That's Porzingis taking the QO, Powell walking, everyone else taking min.

Each of those guys will be 20+ so I don't see how we even get 2.

dirt_dobber · 03-14-2019, 12:55 PM

we have $35m now then if Powell opts out gets us to $45
Porzingis takes the QO but doesn't sign until we take care of business - then we can go over the cap.
Brogdan takes 22m
Beverly's price should will probably be in the $8-10m range.

sefant77 · 03-14-2019, 03:13 PM

KP wont take the QO....

Melonhead · 03-14-2019, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

guys I want us to get are - and I think we will get all 3.
Vucevic
Brogdan
Beverly

All 3 wont fit under the salary cap. Powell may walk but we have to pay for KP

Melonhead · 03-14-2019, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dirt_dobber

we have $35m now then if Powell opts out gets us to $45
Porzingis takes the QO but doesn't sign until we take care of business - then we can go over the cap.
Brogdan takes 22m
Beverly's price should will probably be in the $8-10m range.

KP did not come over to take the QO. Were talking about a sure fire (if healthy throughout) a multi year all star.

turin · 03-14-2019, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Melonhead

KP did not come over to take the QO. Were talking about a sure fire (if healthy throughout) a multi year all star.

Can't KP take the QO but then negotiate a long-term deal after other free agents are signed? I understood this to mean that we could go over the cap to sign him with this timing. Obviously, he has to have faith that the Mavs will negotiate a long-term deal in good faith with him if he takes the QO, but I don't see this as an issue if there is an understanding already in place.

sefant77 · 03-14-2019, 09:02 PM

After missing 18 months he is not taking a 4m QO instead of a 158m contract. He is not that stupid. Specially if he likes everything about the franchise (if he isnt lying)

turin · 03-14-2019, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

After missing 18 months he is not taking a 4m QO instead of a 158m contract. He is not that stupid. Specially if he likes everything about the franchise (if he isnt lying)

I understand, but if he likes the Mavs long-term, why wouldn't he be inclined to maneuver his long-term deal in such a manner as to enable the Mavs to improve their talent level in FA? It would be a Dirk-like maneuver on his part, and would also say a lot about his trust in the Mavs organization. Yeah, I know. $158m is stupid money, so I understand not risking it.

sefant77 · 03-14-2019, 10:14 PM

He can help them allready with agreeing to it at july 1st but just sign it after the Mavs blew the remaining cap

MFFL · 03-14-2019, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by turin

I understand, but if he likes the Mavs long-term, why wouldn't he be inclined to maneuver his long-term deal in such a manner as to enable the Mavs to improve their talent level in FA? It would be a Dirk-like maneuver on his part, and would also say a lot about his trust in the Mavs organization. Yeah, I know. $158m is stupid money, so I understand not risking it.

And what happens if he gets permanently hurt? There's no way to make back that $150m. Cuban isn't giving it to him out of the goodness of his heart

I know his camp floated the idea of taking the QO but it was always a bluff. The last player who took the QO was Noels and he lost about $50m. That's too much to risk

sefant77 · 03-15-2019, 12:05 AM

Taking the QO was a bluff to get out of NY.

I hope the Mavs are able to write some injury protections in the contract, like Philly did with Embiid. If he stays healthy, he gets the max. If not he gets less...

turin · 03-15-2019, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

He can help them allready with agreeing to it at july 1st but just sign it after the Mavs blew the remaining cap

Ahhh, okay. I didn't know that was an option. Obviously, that's the way to go. Thanks for the clarification.

lotus5944 · 03-17-2019, 01:02 AM

https://hoopshype.com/2019/02/08/nba...e-top-players/

We need to go after one or more of the following: Klay Thompson, Patrick Beverley, Nikola Vucevic, Jeremy Lamb, Reggie Bullock, Brook Lopez, Ed Davis, Al Farouq Aminu, Julius Randle, Thad Young, Marcus Morris, Terrence Ross, Rodney Hood, Kenneth Faried and Danny Green

rimrocker · 03-17-2019, 09:34 AM

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https://hoopshype.com/2019/02/08/nba...e-top-players/

We need to go after one or more of the following: Klay Thompson, Patrick Beverley, Nikola Vucevic, Jeremy Lamb, Reggie Bullock, Brook Lopez, Ed Davis, Al Farouq Aminu, Julius Randle, Thad Young, Marcus Morris, Terrence Ross, Rodney Hood, Kenneth Faried and Danny Green

If there is any way to add Vuc and Beverley to our roster we will definitely be a PO caliber team next season (assuming everyone is healthy). Not sure there is any way to make that happen but if Powell continues to play at this level there might be a chance he opts out and Bev/Vuc could become a reality.

I'd rather go younger but I could definitely be happy with that roster for a few years.

Beverley/Brunson/Harris or Barea
Luka/THJ/Lee
DFS/Jackson/Broek
KP/Maxi/Kostas
Vuc/Mejri/Vet Min (Dirk?) or Rookie

pocman · 03-17-2019, 12:44 PM

I don't know if we should pay a high price for Vucevic.
He would bring a lot offensively but I still question his defense. Ok some of his defensive stats are good (defensive plus/minus, box outs) but when I see him play he tends to get dominated in his matchups with top-tiers big guys...

Alternatively, if we fail to get a top free agent, it could make sense to land 3 good role players, I'm thinking like Beverley + Bogdanovic + Ed Davis (Or Dedmond). Particularly after watching the last few games, I'm less and less enthousiastic about DFS as a starter, and we definitely need some spot-up shooting to benefit from Luka playmaking... What do you guys think ?

Melonhead · 03-17-2019, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by pocman

I don't know if we should pay a high price for Vucevic.
He would bring a lot offensively but I still question his defense. Ok some of his defensive stats are good (defensive plus/minus, box outs) but when I see him play he tends to get dominated in his matchups with top-tiers big guys...

Alternatively, if we fail to get a top free agent, it could make sense to land 3 good role players, I'm thinking like Beverley + Bogdanovic + Ed Davis (Or Dedmond). Particularly after watching the last few games, I'm less and less enthousiastic about DFS as a starter, and we definitely need some spot-up shooting to benefit from Luka playmaking... What do you guys think ?

Maxi and DFS aren’t starters unfortunately. Agreed on that. I’m not high on Vuc as others are and I still question the fit. I’d like to get Davis because then they can focus the rest of the money on offensive guys.

MFFL · 03-17-2019, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by rimrocker

If there is any way to add Vuc and Beverley to our roster we will definitely be a PO caliber team next season (assuming everyone is healthy). Not sure there is any way to make that happen but if Powell continues to play at this level there might be a chance he opts out and Bev/Vuc could become a reality.

I would be shocked if Beverley goes for more than the MLE. This offseason it is over $9m a year and he's only making $5m with the Clippers. Honestly I think he'd take a 3 year deal at two-thirds of the MLE. If we have to go the whole MLE though I think he'd be worth it

Underdog · 03-17-2019, 08:36 PM

I don't know about his defense, but Vuc had a 27 points and 21 rebounds today.

endtroducing MASKED · 03-17-2019, 09:24 PM

I just really hate thinking about paying long-term max money to a player that isn’t elite or a true star. If you mess it up there, the consequences are pretty damn bad. Think he’s a little old for the money and the years too.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-17-2019, 09:33 PM

I'm taking a break from posting, but I HAD to chime in on this. I think Brunson's rather huge leap forward absolutely changes things with regards to the offseason. Vuc now seems like a no-brainer to me. Realistically, we can't afford a bunch of really good B guys because they are going to be overpaid by someone. And I don't think it makes sense to get Walker because you can more than live with Brunson. But even JUST signing Vuc...

Docic
Brunson
THJ
KP
Vuc

They lack some speed and defense, but it's an absolute juggernaut offensively. And that's basically what you HAVE to be in today's NBA where defense has taken a big back seat.

dirt_dobber · 03-18-2019, 05:36 AM

I smell what DHWS is cooking - and I like it!

sefant77 · 03-18-2019, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'm taking a break from posting, but I HAD to chime in on this. I think Brunson's rather huge leap forward absolutely changes things with regards to the offseason. Vuc now seems like a no-brainer to me. Realistically, we can't afford a bunch of really good B guys because they are going to be overpaid by someone. And I don't think it makes sense to get Walker because you can more than live with Brunson. But even JUST signing Vuc...

Rick loves at least two ballhandler on the court. That means pretty much 96 minutes are available for playmakers, so there are enough minutes for Luka, Walker AND Brunson. And yes, i dont count with 37y old Harris or post-achilles 35y Barea, even if they probably get new contracts.

But in the end it just matter that we get at least ONE big name. If its Kemba or Vuc doesnt really matter that much. But this team needs a third go-to guy. You wanna manage KPs workload and you also dont wanna run Luka with a 35%+ usage rate in the ground, specially late in the season/playoffs.

rimrocker · 03-18-2019, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'm taking a break from posting, but I HAD to chime in on this. I think Brunson's rather huge leap forward absolutely changes things with regards to the offseason. Vuc now seems like a no-brainer to me. Realistically, we can't afford a bunch of really good B guys because they are going to be overpaid by someone. And I don't think it makes sense to get Walker because you can more than live with Brunson. But even JUST signing Vuc...

Docic
Brunson
THJ
KP
Vuc

They lack some speed and defense, but it's an absolute juggernaut offensively. And that's basically what you HAVE to be in today's NBA where defense has taken a big back seat.

Basically the same way I see it...if nothing else Brunson has made the PG/SG need a lower priority.
I'd put DFS as the starter instead of THJ though because he is adequate as a 5th option starter and by far our best perimeter and wing defender. Let THJ be the scoring catalyst of the 2nd unit with Maxi/Powell/Jackson/Barea?

Honestly if we only sign Vuc I think we are still a PO caliber team. He isn't flashy and not making any highlight reels but he is a solid player that will help spread the floor for Luka to operate while giving us a presence in the paint.

SMC0007 · 03-18-2019, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I'm taking a break from posting, but I HAD to chime in on this. I think Brunson's rather huge leap forward absolutely changes things with regards to the offseason. Vuc now seems like a no-brainer to me. Realistically, we can't afford a bunch of really good B guys because they are going to be overpaid by someone. And I don't think it makes sense to get Walker because you can more than live with Brunson. But even JUST signing Vuc...

Docic
Brunson
THJ
KP
Vuc

They lack some speed and defense, but it's an absolute juggernaut offensively. And that's basically what you HAVE to be in today's NBA where defense has taken a big back seat.

I definitely agree about Brunson, but I dislike THJ being relied on for more than role player minutes on a team that has playoff intentions.

Bryan_Wilson · 03-18-2019, 10:31 AM

I love Vuc but I'm still all on board the Kemba train. I agree with Sefant that as long as you get one of them it's a success. But Kemba is a no brainer to me regardless of Brunson.

endtroducing MASKED · 03-18-2019, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

I definitely agree about Brunson, but I dislike THJ being relied on for more than role player minutes on a team that has playoff intentions.

we are paying him a lot of money for a long time. he’s going to be playing and have a big role.

SMC0007 · 03-18-2019, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED

we are paying him a lot of money for a long time. he’s going to be playing and have a big role.

It's not for a long time. He will basically become an expiring asset after next season. It was necessary to involve him in order to get Porz. We didn't get him thinking he would be a great 3rd option on a playoff team. I doubt many folks see him as a big player on a contending team.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-18-2019, 04:48 PM

THJ would be the 5th option though which is pretty much exactly how I envision his future role here. I'm not as down on him as a lot of fans are. He has a quietness to his game, shots made or not, that I actually think fits in decently well if surrounded by stars. He doesn't play hero ball like Wes does. And he has played much better the last two games, and the defense hasn't been as atrocious as I thought it would be. Either way, Rick is going to give him minutes with that contract.

I still think it's better to address other needs versus adding a star guard like Walker. I really never thought Brunson was more than a backup, but I really don't think the team can keep thinking that anymore. 21 pts, 5 assists, 4 rebounds on 62% shooting and 48% from three in his last 5. Against some stiff competition as well.

SMC0007 · 03-18-2019, 07:22 PM

I dont hate THJ but I am hoping for more more consistency from him.

Underdog · 03-18-2019, 08:01 PM

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I dont hate THJ but I am hoping for more more consistency from him.

I think not asking him to be the 2nd scorer every night would go a long way.

endtroducing MASKED · 03-18-2019, 09:29 PM

Brunson gives us more flexibility with our money. We don’t need someone to supplant him, we need vets or other useful players that can help him grow while we still have him under team control super cheap. Beverly, Elfrid Payton, etc. I don’t think the move is investing tons of money and years in the backcourt.

turin · 03-18-2019, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I think not asking him to be the 2nd scorer every night would go a long way.

Agree 100%. I'm cautiously hopeful. Worst case, he's a main cog next year, and an expiring the following who could end up like Wes as a trade chip due to size of expiring salary.

Underdog · 03-18-2019, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by turin

Agree 100%. I'm cautiously hopeful. Worst case, he's a main cog next year, and an expiring the following who could end up like Wes as a trade chip due to size of expiring salary.

Bingo.

SMC0007 · 03-19-2019, 12:52 AM

I'd take a flier on kenrich Williams.

MFFL · 03-19-2019, 09:08 AM

Everyone still out on Randle? I personally love the kid

Underdog · 03-19-2019, 09:22 AM

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Everyone still out on Randle? I personally love the kid

I’ve never been out on him, it’s just a matter of price vs. other options.

rimrocker · 03-19-2019, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MFFL

Everyone still out on Randle? I personally love the kid

Its more about fit to me than anything.
I don't think he is the greatest fit in Rick's system. Randle seems like an old-school PF and I'm not sure that type will flourish as a Mav.

Having said that, if we end up signing Kemba and Randle in the off-season I certainly won't be disappointed. Defense would be a complete mess but it would be pretty fun to watch offensively.

Melonhead · 03-19-2019, 11:49 AM

I think Randle would fit perfect with the Mavs. Guy you need around the basket since KP works a lot of his game outside. And he will definitely come cheaper than Vuc. And I think he's attainable since hes from the area and NO is about to blow up the team once AD is gone.

SMC0007 · 03-19-2019, 01:54 PM

I wonder what Randle salary vs Vuce would look like. It would be nice to keep Brunson and add a two way wing, not just a 3 and D guy. Butler and Randle is interesting as far as not over reaching goes...like KD.