The Official Dallas Cowboys Draft Thread

[aexchange]

Lets get it on...

Projected picks?

[sixeightmkw]

I'm just guessing, but I think Chad Jackson from Florida. I think they have tried to lure people away from him by addressing other needs but I think they go wide receiver.

[chumdawg]

Lindale White!

[Male30Dan]

Bobby Carpenter... Boring pic, but that is who I see them taking if they can't move down.

[dirno2000]

I'd be happy with Winston Justice or Manny Lawson.

[Five-ofan]

Id be happy with justice but i dont think he will be there. IF Cutler slides would you take him? Im not a fan of his so i wouldnt but you would have to think about it.

[Drbio]

Justice and Cutler will be gone.....Lindale White is a possibility though.

[Five-ofan]

Ive said for a while i would be pissed if we didnt take lendale and he was there. I think he is the second best runner in this draft and for what the cowboys need he is the best. We have so many other needs though. I wouldnt mind trying to move up to grab huff or vince if he slides would be my dream.

[dalmations202]

Round 1 - Bobby Carpenter (but I want Justice here)
Round 2 - Either Chester or Collegge(sp - OT Boise), or less likely McNeill or Scott (I am wanting Davin Joseph here)
Round 3 - a DB, but not sure which one yet. (would love for it to be Cedric Griffin or for Thomas Howard to fall)

[aexchange]

i'd like for the pokes to move down a few spots and pick up white.

shed jules jones and lets get the bruiser parcells wants.

[sixeightmkw]

Lindell could end up being like Priest Holmes, all but forgotten then proved to be the better back out of the stars that came out of TX<

[jly]

Kamerion Wimbley or Manny Lawson if they are still there. That'd be nice to have two hybrid OLBs. Lendale White may end up being a good pick, but not at our current draft position. If the boys don't move up or down, I see them picking Jimmy Williams. Parcells does have that connection to V. Tech.

[Ninkobei]

ahem. if we're going for the superbowl this year we don't need to draft a rb. Jujo is a fine back even if he may not be the best out there. if we're going to draft for a position we already have it damn well better be a qb in VY.

[jleefilled]

JJ and first for Lendale and a second rounder. Sound good?

[jly]

that wouldn't be bad if they move up in the first and manage to get lendale in the second. JJ isn't that bad. we just had too many issues with our O-line last season. as much as i hate to say it, with TO as another deep threat, opponents won't put 8 men in the box, giving JJ more room to run.

[jleefilled]

lendale in the second! you think that will happen, jly? I agree that offensive line is a more pressing need than tailback, but if there is the hall of fame guy sitting right there in your reach, you got to grab him, right? Hypothetically speaking of course, not saying that White is HOF material.

[TomThaMavsFan]

i think they'll go after vince young......i'd love that , but aint gonna happen. but realistically i think they'll take donte whitner, the safety out of ohio state, he would be a great addition to the defense, and a really nice compliment to Roy , they both hit hard and make big plays.

[Drbio]

I am so happy that the Cowboys won't draft Vince Young. My God you tu people overrate his ass so much it almost makes me want to hate the guy. I loved him as a college player, but the NFL is going to eat his ass. He may end up being a decent QB, but history says he will not. Tone it down. Sheesh.

[mavs413]

Round 1 - Jason Allen or Donte Whitner (Safety) - We trade down 6-10 spots because Wimbley isnt there at 18 and we pick up a 3rd rounder.
Round 2 - Derek Hagan (Wide Reciever) - We have nothing behind our two 32 year old recievers.
Round 3 - Dusty Dvoracek (D-Tackle) - Much needed depth at the position.
Round 3 - Adam Stenavich (Guard) - Provides needed depth at the position. He is versatile, can play guard or tackle.

[jly]

i personally don't think lendale white will make it past the first round. pittsburgh will make sure of that. i just didn't think that would be a worth-while trade. i totally agree with the cowboys drafting a possible HOFer even if they don't need the position.

ideally i would like to see the cowboys trade up somehow and draft huff. i don't think we have any UT players, but he's one i'd like to see wear the star.

[Drbio]

IRVING, Texas - Jerry Jones is getting tired of writing big checks to free agent offensive linemen.

The cheap solution: Draft some good ones.

The Dallas Cowboys have the 18th pick in the draft Saturday, which gives them a chance to add all but a handful of the best blockers available - unless they trade up a few spots, perhaps to take Southern California tackle Winston Justice.

However, Jones usually prefers trading down, both to get more picks that way and because the lower they're taken, the cheaper they cost. That doesn't always mean getting lesser players, either, as evidenced by Larry Allen and Flozell Adams going from second-rounders to Pro Bowlers.

"We would really like to have numbers of picks," Jones said. "But if we thought there was a real chance to get a player who shouldn't have been sliding, we might move up. More than likely, I don't anticipate anything dramatic in either scenario, nothing more than three or four slots."

Since going 9-7 last season and falling short of the playoffs, the Cowboys have addressed most of their needs through free agency. That includes signing Kyle Kosier to replace Allen at left tackle and Jason Fabini to take over at right guard. Of course, they also made the headline-grabbing addition of receiver Terrell Owens.

"It seems like we've got a lot more options," Jones said. "With the free agents, we were really able to cover our needs spots. That allows us not to compromise our pick in any way. We don't have to take a lesser player because he plays a position of need.

"But I would not hesitate at all to draft a position where we didn't have the biggest need. We're not going to pass up too good of a player."

Except maybe if he's a receiver.

Although Owens is 32 and fellow starter Terry Glenn will be, too, when training camp opens, and there are legitimate questions about whether they will play every game (Glenn because of health, Owens because he's Owens). Jones may already be trying to make Owens content by not adding competition at the position.

"I don't feel an urgency to get a young wide receiver," Jones said.

If Dallas does try drafting by position, defensive tackle and linebacker are good places to start.

The Cowboys improved their defense a lot by taking outside linebacker DeMarcus Ware and defensive lineman Marcus Spears in the first round last year, then adding lineman Chris Canty in the fourth round.

Yet coach Bill Parcells can still find a spot for anyone else who can get to the quarterback or draw enough blockers to free someone else's path. Tackle might be a priority since La'Roi Glover left in free agency.

When in doubt, though, the Cowboys might go with an offensive lineman.

"If we get out of the draft without an offensive lineman, I'll be very disappointed," Jones said. "Frankly, I like putting an offensive lineman in the mix every year because of how expensive it is to get them in free agency."

The Cowboys have drafted six offensive linemen in four drafts under Parcells. They've had as many misses as hits.

Second-rounders Andre Gurode and Al Johnson split the center job last season and likely will do so again this year. Last year, seventh-rounder Rob Petitti cracked the starting lineup out of training camp, but as the season went on it became apparent that was mostly by default; most telling is that Fabini was signed to take his place.

The regrettable move was taking Jacob Rogers 52nd in 2004.

Rogers was an All-American from Southern California's national championship team, so the Cowboys thought they got a steal getting him so low. Turns out, other teams knew what they were doing by avoiding him. He frustrated team officials for two years, never taking an offensive snap before being released recently.

In the third round of that same draft, Dallas took Stephen Peterman. He remains a fringe player. The other OL pick of the Parcells era was seventh-rounder Justin Bates in 2003, who never made the team.

[jly]

that 2004 draft, especially the jacob rogers pick still haunts me. why o why didn't we draft nathan vasher? he slipped all the way to the 4th round.

[Drbio]

To make a reasonable guess, we should at least look at the depth chart. Let me know if I missed someone and I will edit......The Cowboys depth chart as of now is as follows:

OFFENSE
QB - Drew Bledsoe, Tony Romo, Drew Henson
RB - Julius Jones, Marion Barber III, Tyson Thompson
FB - Lousaka Polite
WR - Terrell Owens, Patrick Crayton
WR - Terry Glenn, Terrance Copper, Jamaica Rector, Ahmad Merritt
TE - Jason Whitten, Ryan Hannam, Brett Pierce
LT - Flozell Adams, Torrin Tucker
LG - Kyle Kossier, Shannon Snell, Matt Tarullo
C - Andre Gurode, Al Johnson
RG - Marco Rivera, Stephen Peterman, Cory Proctor
RT - Jason Fabini, Rob Petitti, Marc Columbo

DEFENSE
DLE - Marcus Spears, Kenyon Coleman, Jay Ratliff
NT - Jason Ferguson, Thomas Johnson
DRE - Greg Ellis, Chris Canty, Junior Glymph
LOLB - Al Singleton, Rocky Boiman
LILB - Bradie James, Ryan Fowler
RILB - Akin Ayodele, Kevin Burnett
ROLB - DeMarcus Ware, Scott Shanle, Kalen Thornton
LCB - Terence Newman, Aaron Glenn, Lenny Williams
RCB - Anthony Henry, Jacques Reeves, Nathan Jones
SS - Roy Williams, Justin Beriault
FS - Keith Davis, Marcus Coleman, Willie Pile

SPECIAL TEAMS
K - Mike Vanderjagt
P - Mat McBriar
KR - Tyson Thompson, Terrance Copper, Aaron Glenn
PR - Patrick Crayton, Terence Newman, Marion Barber
LS - L.P. Ladouceur
H - Tony Romo, Drew Henson
Specialist - Lousaka Polite, Marion Barber


That is the team coming in pre-draft. Here is the fun part of the discussion.....
1. Who are your locks to make the team?
2. Who are the guys above who are locks to get cut?
3. Considering 1&2, what are your percieved areas of need?
4. Predict ONE first round draft pick and if you want, pic your other draft picks for us as well.

I look forward to your responses.

[mavs413]

Ware and Ayodele need to be switched at their positions and you could also add Saftey Marcus Coleman

[Drbio]

Originally Posted by mavs413

Ware and Ayodele need to be switched at their positions and you could also add Saftey Marcus Coleman

Done. I totally forgot about Coleman.

[jleefilled]

Originally Posted by jly

i personally don't think lendale white will make it past the first round. pittsburgh will make sure of that. i just didn't think that would be a worth-while trade. i totally agree with the cowboys drafting a possible HOFer even if they don't need the position.

ideally i would like to see the cowboys trade up somehow and draft huff. i don't think we have any UT players, but he's one i'd like to see wear the star.

Alright, I see what you're saying, so you thought my trade scenario was crap. ; ) But I agree with you that JJ may be all the Cowboys need and that's not even taking into account MBIII and TT.

Note: I'm too lazy to write their names!

Spelling edit......

[dalmations202]

Terrance Copper - I think he is on the depth chart behind Crayton, before Rector, Merritt, and Crowder
Peterman, Stephen not Peterson

Burnett currently is Singletons backup, (I think - at least till after the draft), but they are discussing moving him inside because of his injuries. He has the size and speed to be a SOLB though.

[Drbio]

I changed it, except for the Burnett one. This came from the Cowboys so I thought it would be fairly close. I missed some like Coleman originally as I retyped it. I think it matches the Cowboys site now.

[chumdawg]

Originally Posted by jly

i don't think we have any UT players, but he's one i'd like to see wear the star.

Kalen Thornton, brutha!

Doc, I'll have to think about your questions and get back to you. Maybe tomorrow morning, as I start to get my draft hat on.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Drbio

I changed it, except for the Burnett one. This came from the Cowboys so I thought it would be fairly close. I missed some like Coleman originally as I retyped it. I think it matches the Cowboys site now.

Torrin Tucker is gone I believe.
You missed Sean Ryan at TE.

Several other minor people, but no major ones I can see.

[Drbio]

I have Thornton up there. Tucker left? Who are the minors. I'll update it.

[sixeightmkw]

I hear alot about Bobby Carpenter going to the boys, but also the other linebacker that is like a Demarcus Ware on the other side. what is his name?

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by sixeightmkw

I hear alot about Bobby Carpenter going to the boys, but also the other linebacker that is like a Demarcus Ware on the other side. what is his name?

Manny Lawson or Kamerion Wimbley

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by Drbio

I have Thornton up there. Tucker left? Who are the minors. I'll update it.

Just some #3 and #4 guys like Ratliff, Q.Caver, M.Price, etc.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/depthcharts/DAL -- it doesn't really have the depth yet because all the new guys got just thrown in there, but it does show generally what they have.

[sixeightmkw]

OK, I am thinking we take Lawson, look at this. Totally amazing.

[dalmations202]

Originally Posted by sixeightmkw

OK, I am thinking we take Lawson, look at this. Totally amazing.

I read, but don't know how true it is, that the picture is one of those deceptive things. The parts he is touching at the top are from 10' to 12', but since the goal was behind him, it makes it look like he is 12-14' up. Basically I read he has a 36"-38" vertical with being 6'6". Good, but along the same lines as many basketball players.

The big question on his is that he only has one pass rushing move. The speed rush, which some say he won't be able to do in the Pro's. He also was 217 lbs last year, but bulked up to 240. Some question if he can keep the weight on when to play SOLB you really need to be 250+.

Wimbley isn't as fast, and doesn't have quite the upside, but is bigger, and closer to being like Ware.

[sixeightmkw]

That could be true about the picture thing, but if you think about it, it is possible. I, like I have said before, am 6 8. Of course played basketball. In my prime I could touch the top of the box on the back board. I would have no problem thinking that an athlete of his calibur, being only about 2 inches shoter than me could touch the top of the boards. But of course, it could be that the back board was lowered.

[Five-ofan]

I would love to get griffin in the 2nd and especially the third if he is still there. He is a stud.

[sixeightmkw]

I heard Griffin would got late 2nd, early 3rd. Thats the guy from ACU, right. They had his uncle on the ticket today.

[dalmations202]

If he is talking Cedric Griffin, then he is talking TU, and I hope Dallas gets him in the 3rd. He might go second though -- to tough to guess.

Danielle Manning is the ACU guy, at least I think. He is a 2-3 round guy as well.