2017 NBA Draft - Page 12 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

yahyes · 03-28-2017, 07:56 PM

Lauri Markkanen.

Bryan_Wilson · 03-29-2017, 09:15 AM

Tankathon.com

Only took 10 clicks for 2nd pick. Then another 13 clicks for 3rd pick!

.... Then another 33 clicks for 3rd pick again and 94 total clicks for #1.

We got this in the bag.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-29-2017, 10:23 AM

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Tankathon.com

Only took 10 clicks for 2nd pick. Then another 13 clicks for 3rd pick!

.... Then another 33 clicks for 3rd pick again and 94 total clicks for #1.

We got this in the bag.

Did you see their mock draft/rankings? Interesting they picked John Collins at 11 over Markkanen.

Of course, they have us taking De'Arron Fox who, imo, has almost no chance of making it to 10.

rimrocker · 03-29-2017, 02:54 PM

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Did you see their mock draft/rankings? Interesting they picked John Collins at 11 over Markkanen.

Of course, they have us taking De'Arron Fox who, imo, has almost no chance of making it to 10.

IDK what to think of some of these mock drafts.
This guy from CBS has Allonzo Trier going 10, Draftnet has him going 37 and Draft room has him at 30.
1-10 seems pretty consistent on most mock drafts but after that it's a crap shoot.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/mock-draft

http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft

http://www.nbadraftroom.com/p/2017-nba-mock-draft.html

You also have to watch the dates on some of these mock drafts...some of them are pretty outdated.

Underdog · 03-29-2017, 03:07 PM

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You also have to watch the dates on some of these mock drafts...some of them are pretty outdated.

Yeah, you can toss out any mock that occurred before March Madness.

Underdog · 03-29-2017, 06:46 PM

@coopmavs: Interesting to hear RC say he didn't believe there were stretch 4s who might be available to Mavs in draft. Is that a hint on Markkanen?

EricaLubarsky · 03-29-2017, 10:27 PM

http://deadspin.com/lavar-ball-is-a-...gn=wednesdayPM

rimrocker · 03-29-2017, 10:41 PM

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@coopmavs: Interesting to hear RC say he didn't believe there were stretch 4s who might be available to Mavs in draft. Is that a hint on Markkanen?

I thought the same when I heard that because who else is there other than maybe Isaac but I think he is more of a 3.

I hope they continue to keep giving Uthoff a look so that we can draft someone other than Markkanen....he just seems too soft to me and you simply can't teach or force aggression.

tap2390 · 03-30-2017, 07:07 AM

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http://deadspin.com/lavar-ball-is-a-...gn=wednesdayPM

I have never seen a player with worse "over-involved dad living vicariously" syndrome. He is legitimately ruining his children's prospects and making the road for them extremely tough. Even NBA players who don't normally talk shit will be in Lonzo's ear about his dad and roughing him up.

tap2390 · 03-30-2017, 07:09 AM

P.S. I'm firmly on team draft DeAaron Fox, although if I'm being honest with myself I think we end up with Dennis Smith Jr.

Underdog · 03-30-2017, 08:10 AM

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P.S. I'm firmly on team draft DeAaron Fox, although if I'm being honest with myself I think we end up with Dennis Smith Jr.

Don't get my hopes up -- Smith has been my top pick for this team all year.

MavzMan · 03-30-2017, 08:51 AM

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Even NBA players who don't normally talk shit will be in Lonzo's ear about his dad and roughing him up.

You better hope he's extremely mentally tough, because every opponent he faces will be trash talking about his Dad. But whose to say, that hasn't been happening already his entire career so maybe he's used to it.

EricaLubarsky · 03-30-2017, 10:16 AM

Smith>>>Fox.

NBA requires shooting and I can't imagine a PG in the league in 2018 who can't hit a jumper

tap2390 · 03-30-2017, 10:51 AM

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Smith>>>Fox.

NBA requires shooting and I can't imagine a PG in the league in 2018 who can't hit a jumper

I liken Fox to John Wall. No long distance jumper, but he can hit the midrange jumper and has the athleticism and defensive skills to make an impact even without scoring.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-30-2017, 11:10 AM

IMO the only top 10 worthy guard that might fall to us is Monk because of his short size at SG.

Fox is legit even without a 3 point shot.

rimrocker · 03-30-2017, 11:16 AM

I'd be more than happy if Fox or Smith are on this team next season.
I want no part of Markkanen and I'm skeptical about Ntilikina.

rimrocker · 03-30-2017, 11:18 AM

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IMO the only top 10 worthy guard that might fall to us is Monk because of his short size at SG.

Fox is legit even without a 3 point shot.

If we draft Monk I could see Curry being dealt in the off-season.

Underdog · 03-30-2017, 11:55 AM

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I'd be more than happy if Fox or Smith are on this team next season.
I want no part of Markkanen and I'm skeptical about Ntilikina.

Yeah, I've seen very little tape on Frank, so I can only go by what the scouts say... It's really hard to tell what kind of player he is based on his Euro stats, seeing as how he's only played 14 games and averaged 7.2 PPG, yet he's still considered a lottery pick at just 18 years old... Seems like most of his attributes are in his long wingspan (7'), athleticism, and willingness to play defense, as well as shooting 40% from beyond the arc... So he's a 3&D guy, but I have no idea if he can run an offense (only 2.1 APG, but who knows if his teammates can shoot)... Apparently he has good handles, court vision, and a high BBIQ, but I have yet to see any proof of it, since there just isn't much tape on him.

Per nbadraft.net:

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Ntilikina is undoubtedly one of the best International players of his generation

Hope they're right, I have no idea.

EricaLubarsky · 03-30-2017, 12:07 PM

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Yeah, I've seen very little tape on Frank, so I can only go by what the scouts say... It's really hard to tell what kind of player he is based on his Euro stats, seeing as how he's only played 14 games and averaged 7.2 PPG, yet he's still considered a lottery pick at just 18 years old... Seems like most of his attributes are in his long wingspan (7'), athleticism, and willingness to play defense, as well as shooting 40% from beyond the arc... So he's a 3&D guy, but I have no idea if he can run an offense (only 2.1 APG, but who knows if his teammates can shoot)... Apparently he has good handles, court vision, and a high BBIQ, but I have yet to see any proof of it, since there just isn't much tape on him.

I think the odds are just as good that Ntilinka will become Roddy as they are he'll become a Schroder/Lowry-type.

Underdog · 03-30-2017, 12:08 PM

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I think the odds are just as good that Ntilinka will become Roddy as they are he'll become a Schroder/Lowry-type.

Yeah, the possibility of him being another Roddy is what keeps going through my head... And I was no Roddy fan.

EricaLubarsky · 03-30-2017, 12:36 PM

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Yeah, the possibility of him being another Roddy is what keeps going through my head... And I was no Roddy fan.

I actually was a fan. For a late-first rounder, he showed flashes. Poor development and injuries obviously hurt him and he was never going to be smart/consistent enough to be a starter, but I like him a lot.

Not lottery pick material, but I wouldn't mind picking up a Roddy in the second round (if we had one) or undrafted.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-30-2017, 12:43 PM

The difference is that Frank is 6'5. Size definitely matters in the NBA. At that size, it doesn't matter as much if he is a PG or SG.

And yep, Frank is a huge risk. I think the main reason he is ranked so high is very much related to Giannis being a star. But like Giannis, he is a big risk that is all about untapped potential.

I trust Finley and Donnie to make the right choice.

sefant77 · 03-30-2017, 12:57 PM

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If we draft Monk I could see Curry being dealt in the off-season.

Because we dont need a bench?

saclare · 03-30-2017, 01:13 PM

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Because we dont need a bench?

Yea, unless you're getting significant return, Curry is a bargain contract next year.

rimrocker · 03-30-2017, 01:17 PM

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Because we dont need a bench?

Here is my reasoning.
Our team has been pretty good with Curry as a starter so I don't see him losing that job. If we're picking in the top 10 we better be picking a near future starter and not a long-term bench guy. If we're picking someone to eventually replace Dirk or Wes then I'm fine with a mid-lotto pick being a bench player for a year or two.
Curry is a very tradable asset that could get help yield us another starter quality player in a position of need.

The bench can always be filled with FAs and minor trades. I'd much rather see Wes go to the bench than Curry.

rimrocker · 03-30-2017, 01:20 PM

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Yea, unless you're getting significant return, Curry is a bargain contract next year.

He'll also be a pretty damn good trade asset.
If we draft Monk at tell Curry he's going to the bench we'd most likely lose him for nothing.

Underdog · 03-30-2017, 01:32 PM

I'm only interested in trading Curry if Powell is packaged with him and the return is solid... But I'd rather trade Wes and play Curry at the 2 if we end up drafting a PG.

mac222b · 03-30-2017, 02:21 PM

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I'm only interested in trading Curry if Powell is packaged with him and the return is solid... But I'd rather trade Wes and play Curry at the 2 if we end up drafting a PG.

You had me at "trade Wes"

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-30-2017, 02:25 PM

Monk's ceiling is much higher than Curry's even with Curry having a good season. Curry is pretty worthless if he isn't making shots.

With that said, you could easily wait until the trade deadline to see what you have with Monk. But you definitely listen to Curry offers either way. I'm just worried about what Curry is going to cost after next season. If he doesn't have a serious breakout year next season, then he likely won't be worth it.

rimrocker · 03-30-2017, 03:43 PM

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Monk's ceiling is much higher than Curry's even with Curry having a good season. Curry is pretty worthless if he isn't making shots.

With that said, you could easily wait until the trade deadline to see what you have with Monk. But you definitely listen to Curry offers either way. I'm just worried about what Curry is going to cost after next season. If he doesn't have a serious breakout year next season, then he likely won't be worth it.

Good points!
No matter how you look at it I don't see Curry and Monk coexisting for more than next season.
I have no problem drafting Monk but if we do I'd definitely start listening to offers for Curry. Not saying to just dump him by any means but definitely try to move him for a starter caliber SF or PF. I honestly don't see Curry being happy going to the bench over a rookie and I certainly don't want us to vastly overpay a backup. Someone is going to offer Curry a lot of money.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-30-2017, 04:08 PM

The real question is whether Frank has a high BBIQ or not. If he doesn't, then you move to the next player on your list. It just won't work to have a ball of rocks 18 year old playing under Rick.

sefant77 · 03-30-2017, 04:18 PM

Dont overrate Currys trade value. "Just" early birds kills a lot of the value....

hayth.james.g · 03-30-2017, 04:32 PM

Fox all of a sudden a hero. I just don't see him being a franchise #1 at the next level. He wild be lucky to be the next John Wall.

Underdog · 03-30-2017, 05:36 PM

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Dont overrate Currys trade value. "Just" early birds kills a lot of the value....

Yeah, but $3m for a starting/6th man-caliber player against a $103m salary cap... Obviously your opinion of his value weighs heavier the closer we get to the trade deadline next year, but his value is sky-high this summer -- especially to contenders that are already hovering around the cap.

rimrocker · 03-30-2017, 05:47 PM

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Yeah, but $3m for a starting/6th man-caliber player against a $103m salary cap... Obviously your opinion of his value weighs heavier the closer we get to the trade deadline next year, but his value is sky-high this summer -- especially to contenders that are already hovering around the cap.

I know I've asked this before but I wonder what Curry's value will be on draft night....obviously in terms of draft pick.
Would he fetch someone in the 12-18 range?

rimrocker · 03-30-2017, 05:56 PM

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The real question is whether Frank has a high BBIQ or not. If he doesn't, then you move to the next player on your list. It just won't work to have a ball of rocks 18 year old playing under Rick.

That is a key point that I've mentioned before. When we draft we better make sure that player will be compatible with Rick and his system or it could quickly become a wasted pick.

sefant77 · 03-30-2017, 06:01 PM

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I know I've asked this before but I wonder what Curry's value will be on draft night....obviously in terms of draft pick.
Would he fetch someone in the 12-18 range?

Nah, not in this stroing draft year. In addition with the early birds never ever a late lottery pick.

#15 or lower if a team is desperatly in contend now mode

Underdog · 03-30-2017, 06:52 PM

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I know I've asked this before but I wonder what Curry's value will be on draft night....obviously in terms of draft pick.
Would he fetch someone in the 12-18 range?

Well, even if he's worth a 12-18 range pick, the teams picking there don't really fit the "contender hovering around the cap" status (Detroit, Denver, Chicago, Portland, Indiana, Miami, Atlanta)... And most of those teams are set on PG/SG anyway. Hell, I'm not even sure which contenders would even be in the market for Curry, seeing as how most of them are also set on guards.

Honestly, I think the best value we can get out of Curry might just be to keep and develop him into a guy who is worth re-upping in 2018 (we could always trade away Wes' expiring contract to make room if we have to).

Fragism · 03-31-2017, 03:17 AM

If it's out of Markkanen and Frank I would take Frank without even thinking about it just because he has much higher potential.

TBH I'm terrified that a good PG is going to be left when the Mavs pick and they pick Markkanen instead

Bryan_Wilson · 03-31-2017, 04:37 AM

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they are higher on Lauri than ppl think because RC's offense seems highly dependent on a stretch big. And regardless if Barnes plays 4 or 3 he's not picking and popping to space the floor, he's strictly posting up in the midrange.