08-23-2016, 09:39 PM
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I always look forward to this moment tbh. It's great stuff.
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can we please start talking about how Cuban screwed the pooch by letting Nash walk.
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08-24-2016, 04:05 AM
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Exactly. If that was the case, then Dirk and Kidd would have been fresh to go. Instead, Kidd was never the same player that was he was in 2011. He was basically done by the time he got to the Knicks.
People just like to live in some grandiose la la land that keeping everyone together mean't a ring. It was a great and emotional high that people just didn't want to leave. I get it, I was there too, but Chandler was the only player that was even remotely worth keeping even hindsight being 20/20.
It is clear that Cuban didn't properly anticipate the new at that time CBA, but just keeping the whole team together money and cap space be damned wouldn't have been the right move.
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The best shot Dirk ever had to win a second ring was for Cuban to re-sign Barea and Tyson. The grandiose la la land was signing the triple D's or whatever bs Fish was trying to sell at the time.
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08-24-2016, 09:04 AM
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The best shot Dirk ever had to win a second ring was for Cuban to re-sign Barea and Tyson. The grandiose la la land was signing the triple D's or whatever bs Fish was trying to sell at the time.
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No the best shot Dirk had at a second ring was in 2006 when the refs had other plans.
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08-24-2016, 09:15 AM
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No the best shot Dirk had at a second ring was in 2006 when the refs had other plans.
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And second best shot he had was to have signed with Cleveland or Golden State or San Antonio this offseason.
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08-25-2016, 08:10 AM
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I honestly don't believe Dirk will have any regrets when he decides to retire. He got his ring and he did it his way, and without forming a super-team. He had quality teammates, quality coaching, and stuck with the only team he's ever played with. Sure it would be great to with another ring or two or three, but I can guaran-damn-tee you that 2011 would have been the highlight of his career even if he had won another 5.
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08-25-2016, 03:17 PM
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I honestly don't believe Dirk will have any regrets when he decides to retire. He got his ring and he did it his way, and without forming a super-team. He had quality teammates, quality coaching, and stuck with the only team he's ever played with. Sure it would be great to with another ring or two or three, but I can guaran-damn-tee you that 2011 would have been the highlight of his career even if he had won another 5.
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Dirk shouldn't. He literally did everything that any NBA superstar ever dreamed of and he did it with loyalty, hard work, and without a single shortcut. He did it all the old fashioned way.
Just a sample of some of his achievements
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+NBA champion
+Finals MVP
+Regular season MVP
+NBA allstar x13
+50-40-90 club
+3pt champion
+Dallas Mavericks alltime leading scorer (may never be eclipsed)
+joins Baylor, West, Dumars, Magic, Erving, Petitt, and others as allstars/hall-of-famers who played their entire career with a single team
+6th all time scoring (can end up higher)
Dude has literally done it all and ends his career top-25 alltime.
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08-25-2016, 04:17 PM
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I honestly think this is the first season to turn a new page from the last 5 years and 2011 talk. The team finally has some youth and a future to look forward to. And I estimate only two key things need to happen for them to be a really good team. 1. A better, healthier Deron. 2. Barnes to take the next step. The rest of the stuff should already be in place from the get-go...especially defense. Maybe add a veteran mid season, but otherwise, there is no reason to be pessimistic. They aren't a championship team, but I really don't think they are THAT far off if those two key things occur.
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08-29-2016, 01:50 PM
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Man, the offseason is so dead right now that Mavs Moneyball is putting out articles about the Dallas Wings (WNBA).
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08-29-2016, 03:19 PM
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Man, the offseason is so dead right now that Mavs Moneyball is putting out articles about the Dallas Wings (WNBA).
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Might be longer than any Mavs article I've seen from there.
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08-29-2016, 05:04 PM
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08-29-2016, 07:36 PM
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So he won't be injured until game 1-2 instead of coming to camp injured?
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08-29-2016, 08:33 PM
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So he won't be injured until game 1-2 instead of coming to camp injured?
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At least he and Harris can play NBA 2K17 together.
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09-30-2016, 04:31 PM
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10-13-2016, 12:51 AM
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Every season people keep saying Spurs are too old and Mavs can not make it to the playoffs... Finally a year where Mavs have improved in every area and they suddenly don't make it even when they did last season?
Lowe is really in love with Houston, otherwise he would have picked them and OKC out.
"Still, the lack of off-the-bounce verve in the starting lineup is alarming, and a ton of these dudes are coming off injury."
Who are this ton of dudes who are coming off injury for Mavs? In contrast to Memphis, major players for Mavs are actually able to play in the first game of the season.
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10-13-2016, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Thebo
Every season people keep saying Spurs are too old and Mavs can not make it to the playoffs... Finally a year where Mavs have improved in every area and they suddenly don't make it even when they did last season?
Lowe is really in love with Houston, otherwise he would have picked them and OKC out.
"Still, the lack of off-the-bounce verve in the starting lineup is alarming, and a ton of these dudes are coming off injury."
Who are this ton of dudes who are coming off injury for Mavs? In contrast to Memphis, major players for Mavs are actually able to play in the first game of the season.
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I agree that his wording is a little strange, but Deron, Mejri, Devin, and Barea all had surgery this past summer. Bogut avoided surgery but got hurt late in the Finals. Not to mention Matthews having the devastating injury/surgery a little over 18 months ago and Harrison Barnes missing 16 games last winter.
I agree that Memphis has similar issues, but the Mavs are definitely in need of some good fortune health-wise if we want to make the playoffs this year.
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10-13-2016, 09:50 AM
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I agree that his wording is a little strange, but Deron, Mejri, Devin, and Barea all had surgery this past summer. Bogut avoided surgery but got hurt late in the Finals. Not to mention Matthews having the devastating injury/surgery a little over 18 months ago and Harrison Barnes missing 16 games last winter.
I agree that Memphis has similar issues, but the Mavs are definitely in need of some good fortune health-wise if we want to make the playoffs this year.
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And that's exactly why this season is different from other seasons. If injuries plague the team, then they finally have young guys to fill in and grow. I'll be OK watching a losing team if Anderson, Powell, and Curry get heavy minutes. That might be the best thing for the future of the franchise anyway.
And yes, things could get ugly really quick if injuries happen, but isn't that the same for every team? On the flip side, if everything goes right, then the Mavs could be as high as a 4 seed IMO.
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10-14-2016, 04:58 PM
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10-17-2016, 08:22 AM
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Earl K. Sneed: Per @MavsPR, the @dallasmavs have made their 1st roster cut by waiving Jameel Warney. – via Twitter EarlKSneed
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10-17-2016, 12:31 PM
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Earl K. Sneed: Per @MavsPR, the @dallasmavs have made their 1st roster cut by waiving Jameel Warney. – via Twitter EarlKSneed
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Down to 19. Two roster spots for six guys:
Brussino
Williams
Gibson
Hornsby
Finney-Smith
Collinsworth
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10-17-2016, 01:16 PM
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Mavs just signed Jaleel Cousins, brother of DeMarcus.
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10-17-2016, 02:34 PM
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Mavs just signed Jaleel Cousins, brother of DeMarcus.
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Cousins, Curry... Does LeBron have a little brother that we can sign?
Sounds like he's probably going to be playing in Frisco, not really a threat to make the team this late in the preseason.
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10-18-2016, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
Down to 19. Two roster spots for six guys:
Brussino
Williams
Gibson
Hornsby
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Brussino is a no brainer. Really think its between Gibson (who Im not a big fan of his game, but we need guys that can get in the lane), Finney, or Collinsworth. I think it was Cato on twitter that said Hornsby didnt really have a shot at the final roster.
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10-18-2016, 02:28 PM
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Brussino is a no brainer. Really think its between Gibson (who Im not a big fan of his game, but we need guys that can get in the lane), Finney, or Collinsworth. I think it was Cato on twitter that said Hornsby didnt really have a shot at the final roster.
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Assuming Brussino is a lock I'd say it is most likely a guard if position is a major deciding factor.
DWill/JJB/Harris
Matthews/Curry/______?
Barnes/Anderson/Brussino
Dirk/Powell/Acy
Bogut/Mejri/Hammons
Seems Gibson would be the most logical choice for the final roster spot.
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10-18-2016, 10:10 PM
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Assuming Brussino is a lock I'd say it is most likely a guard if position is a major deciding factor.
DWill/JJB/Harris
Matthews/Curry/______?
Barnes/Anderson/Brussino
Dirk/Powell/Acy
Bogut/Mejri/Hammons
Seems Gibson would be the most logical choice for the final roster spot.
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Thing is, it's a roster spot, but not an ACTIVE roster spot. Might make it more likely to see development guys. Why do we stash a 28-year-old who already dominated lesser leagues in the D-League? Might as well waive him and if he wants D-League, being on a training camp roster let's him skip the draft.
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10-19-2016, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by spreedom
Mavs just signed Jaleel Cousins, brother of DeMarcus.
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Who's next?... Joyce?
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10-19-2016, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky
Thing is, it's a riser spot, but not an ACTIVE roster spot. Might make it more likely to see development guys. Why do we stash a 28-year-old who already dominated lesser leagues in the D-League? Might as well waive him and if he wants D-League, being on a training camp roster let's him skip the draft.
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Although I completely agree and would much rather have DFS, Hornsby or Collinsworth at that 15th spot, I could see Gibson being kept more as scoring insurance because of the injury histories of some of our vets (DWill, Harris, and Wes). He is more mature and probably ready to produce more than the other guards trying to make the roster.
However we seem to be making a nice youth movement and reserving that spot for a younger developing player would be better for the long-term imo.
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10-23-2016, 02:18 PM
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Tim MacMahon: For Mavs fans who might be wondering, DeMarcus Cousins is set to hit free agency in summer of 2018. Yes, Mavs expected to go hard after him.
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10-23-2016, 07:18 PM
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DMC is rather old news. Mavs need to get to playoffs to have any chance with him. My guess is he ends up in Eastern Conference. It is certain that he wants to play for playoff team.
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10-23-2016, 08:57 PM
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DMC is rather old news. Mavs need to get to playoffs to have any chance with him. My guess is he ends up in Eastern Conference. It is certain that he wants to play for playoff team.
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Kings are going to want something for him if he's unhappy. I see him traded at the deadline and we have a lot of good trade resources.
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11-07-2016, 10:04 AM
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Any idea why Cuban would revoke McMahon and Stein's credentials? Seems kinda odd.
http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/news...21jl3zclha3i4a
Edit: just saw this was being discussed in the GDT.
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11-07-2016, 10:46 AM
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My guess would be that it is because Cuban's an idiot.
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11-10-2016, 01:04 PM
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http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/11/10/...ith-mavericks/
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Report: Rick Carlisle ‘on fairly solid ground’ with Mavericks
Last year, Mavericks president Donnie Nelson said Rick Carlisle could coach Dallas as long as he wants.
That was a lot easier to say when the Mavericks had won a championship and 60% of their games and never had a losing season under Carlisle.
What about now that Dallas is 2-6?
A. Sherrod Blakely of CSN New England:
Rick Carlisle’s future as the Dallas Mavericks head coach is still on fairly solid ground, and I’m told that’s not likely to change even as they endure what has been a historically bad start to the season.
Carlisle signed a five-year, $35 million contract extension last season that probably gets him plenty of security. It’s not just because Mavericks owner Mark Cuban is unwilling to eat the cost of firing Carlisle, but because Carlisle’s deal signals Dallas’ commitment to him. The Mavericks wouldn’t have granted that lucrative extension unless they believed in Carlisle.
Even if this season continues on the same path, one year would not be enough to undo all that.
The problem, though, is Dallas is both bad and old. That makes a turnaround difficult in coming seasons. Even if a lackluster roster isn’t Carlisle’s fault, it’s standard for the coach to take the fall.
That’s a way off, and the Mavericks could still build a better roster for Carlisle with shrewd drafting, signings and trades. Heck, the team could still right the ship this season.
So, Carlisle probably doesn’t need to worry about his future anytime soon. But if Dallas continues to decline, it’s only a matter of time until Carlisle is blamed.
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It has never occurred to me for a second that Carlisle's job would be in jeopardy if this wasn't a playoff team. I don't think this reporter is really plugged in with the Mavericks, but I thought I'd share to see what everyone thought.
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11-10-2016, 01:34 PM
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http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/11/10/...ith-mavericks/
It has never occurred to me for a second that Carlisle's job would be in jeopardy if this wasn't a playoff team. I don't think this reporter is really plugged in with the Mavericks, but I thought I'd share to see what everyone thought.
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If Rick plays and develops the young guys this season, which he has so far, then there is no need to even write about this. But I can see where someone might inquire from the outside looking in.
The worst thing that can happen is winning something like 35 games.
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11-10-2016, 03:58 PM
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If Rick plays and develops the young guys this season, which he has so far, then there is no need to even write about this. But I can see where someone might inquire from the outside looking in.
The worst thing that can happen is winning something like 35 games.
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I don't ever see Rick compromising wins for player development but that is something he should consider this season. Not saying they should purposely lose but building and developing a young core should be the priority. Part of that development can include playing with vet players like Dirk and DWill.
The days of Dirk and DWill playing 35+ mins needs to end.
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11-10-2016, 05:18 PM
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The days of Dirk and DWill playing 35+ mins needs to end.
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I would throw Matthews and Bogut in there as well. It's probably time the MBT to tell the vets that their minutes are going to be severely limited and if they want a trade, then work to accommodate them for draft picks.
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11-10-2016, 05:39 PM
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I don't ever see Rick compromising wins for player development but that is something he should consider this season. Not saying they should purposely lose but building and developing a young core should be the priority. Part of that development can include playing with vet players like Dirk and DWill.
The days of Dirk and DWill playing 35+ mins needs to end.
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You do wonder if Rick learned his lesson from even the first 5 games. Dirk, Dwill, and Harris didn't even make it til now. You simply cannot play Dirk 40 minutes in a game...at least not until he is back into game shape.
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11-11-2016, 12:05 AM
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Carlisle would only get heat from Cuban and Nelson, if he would be too reluctant to play young players when season is pretty much a lost case. Was not there an issue with Mejri last season when Rick was told to play him more?
With just losing record, I think only outsiders would blame Carlisle. Hard to imagine Cuban would think someone could achieve more with current roster.
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11-11-2016, 01:29 AM
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The problem, though, is Dallas is both bad and old.
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- 8 out of 15 players on this roster are under 26 years old... Our average age -- including Old Man Dirk -- is just 27.9 years old (for comparison, the youngest team in the league, the Sixers, have an average age of 24.6 years old).
- 5 out of the 7 veteran players are under contract for just 1 season (including team options), and most of them haven't played much this season.
- 1 of the 2 veteran players under contract for longer than 1 season is Barea, who is playing very well at the moment. The other is Wes, whose struggles stem more from a catastrophic injury than from age.
Conclusion: Sherrod Blakely doesn't know what the f*ck he's taking about... Which is par for course whenever East Coast journalists take a stab at our Mavericks.
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11-18-2016, 12:25 PM
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/1...ened-mavericks
Here's the much-anticipated T-Mac article about Parsons leaving the Mavericks. Gives an insider perspective on his relationship with Cuban as well as both sides' perspectives on what happened leading up to the early days of free agency.
I personally have nothing against Parsons. I wish him well. I think he was really good for us when he was healthy, and if we knew we could count on him for 75+ games per season over the next four years I think he'd still be here. But the MBT obviously had pretty good info regarding his knee surgeries and that was that. I think Barnes is going to prove to be a good investment and probably more valuable than Parsons.
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