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Richard Jefferson traded to Spurs!
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Good for the Spurs. They get sh!t done.
I don't expect the Mavs to make any real big splash. I hope they do, I just don't think it will happen.
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yea this makes me mad, dallas better do something
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06-23-2009, 12:44 PM
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06-23-2009, 12:46 PM
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So much for that. At least this takes the spurs out of the VC chase.
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06-23-2009, 12:46 PM
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If thats true i will be allready fucking pissed! Thats a lame package that we could have beaten allready with Stack+Williams+#22 and still would have Damp as trade chip.
Maybe our FO is really too dumb for good trades. My dream offseason was Jefferson+Kaman and now Jefferson goes for that to the Spurs... SG Josh and Terry 24min each SF Jefferson 34 / Josh 14 |
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06-23-2009, 12:52 PM
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06-23-2009, 12:53 PM
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All they had to trade for him was Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas and Fabricio Oberto?
We could have matched that easily. It was a salary dump for the Bucks. Damn. I would have loved to grab Jefferson. Last edited by tcat075; 06-23-2009 at 12:55 PM. |
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06-23-2009, 12:55 PM
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We had better stuff than the Spurs. Bowen and Oberte are guaranteed 3,9mio, Stack just 2.
Its so freaking amazing...Kidd and Jefferson played for years, they would connect back blind in like 3 training days... |
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06-23-2009, 12:56 PM
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Damn solid move for the Spurs. RJ fits pretty much perfectly there. For those ready to cry about the Mavs, hold your tears back. If anger is what's called for that'll be clear enough eventually. Dallas could've easily beaten this offer if they'd wanted to, so the fact that the Spurs got Jefferson is, as I see it, an unmistakable indication that either: a) they think (or know) that they can get something better, or b) they're floating around an a cloud of apathy and incompetence. Why is this a good thing? Because there will be no doubt about which of these two options is correct by the time Stack's status as an instant expirer...expires. The bar has been set.
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06-23-2009, 12:58 PM
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06-23-2009, 12:59 PM
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Recent history suggest your option B is the answer.
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i'll give it to the spurs. their organization doesn't stay attached to anyone not named parker, duncan, or ginobili. the benefit of having an owner that stays out of the basketball side of business is that he doesn't fall in love with players and won't trade them or move them out. enjoy another year of okay regular season success and an early playoff exit.
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How u can think you can do better if a player like Jefferson get dumped for nothing than contracts???
That was perfect 50% of our offseason going down the river. But i see...we will pack Stack and Damp for Shaq....great...or getting Redd, who sucks more than Jefferson. And im going for b) too. Last edited by sefant77; 06-23-2009 at 01:02 PM. |
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I don't think this is the greatest trade in the world. I know Bowen kinda lost a step, but who do they have to guard Dirk/Howard now? They gave up defense for offense. That's not a Spurs type of move. They're getting desparate.
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What bugs me is Cuban keeps saying he wants a "Gasol" type deal.
Well what the hell do you call this?
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Why can't we make good trades?
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Though, does this make us from runners for Carter since the Spurs are outta the picture?
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And I find the idea that Stack is going to fetch something better than Jefferson very optimistic. I'm incredibly pessimistic at this point.
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Besides, there's a 99.9% chance Bowen is cut by Milwaukee at which point the Spurs can just add him back.
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IMO, this trade was insurance against Ginobili moving, since he is in his last year.
They are retooling, and what they lost wasn't extensive, but they are still a big short. They still need more shooting, and they need health from older players. I think their defense is weakened as well. I am not sure it is as good a deal as some here have made it out to be. It is a good deal for them, I am just not sure it is that GREAT of a deal.
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I can't post a lot of the words that come to mind here.
This is...at the least...severely disappointing.
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Apparently Bowen and Thomas will be released and will rejoin the Spurs when they are eligible. Ultimately the deal comes out to be Oberto for Jefferson. If that doesn't make you just a little upset, then you are clearly wearing some Cuban/Donnie rose colored goggles.
I'm going to say it right now, they are going to pick up Sheed or Gortat or Zaza with the MLE. Parker/Hill Ginobili/Mason/Udoka Jefferson/Finley/Bowen Sheed/Bonner Duncan/Thomas
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I think we have a consensuses here that we all feel like we have been mentally raped here...
Dammit.
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And Cleveland will get Shaq. And the Spurs will get Kaman for Ginobili. And Mark Cuban will write a blog about it.
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I don't think the Mavs could make any move this summer that could counter that if they get another decent big like Wallace. That defense would be amazing.
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I'm just waiting for Cuban to say "There just were no good deals out there" or "We asked if Jefferson was available and they said they wanted Josh Howard" or "We like our team, let's give Stack a three year extension because he brings a toughness that we desperately need".
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wow...
Parker Gino Jeff Duncan ??
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I'm not worried about the Spurs defense. Their D wasn't Spurs caliber this year anyways. Even if there is a dropoff it's going to be more than offset by what Jefferson brings offensively. |
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What are yall talking about when you say that it is not that great of a deal!? Spurs GOT that "Gasol" type trade! Nothing different. They'll likely get back some of the players in return. Pending any other massive team changers like this one, I see the Spurs now as the team to beat with that trade, even with the Lakers considering they may lose a piece of their successes (Odom or Ariza).
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Yeah Cuban, cuzzz no one outside of Dallas seems likes you. And they know you'll be dumb enough to give up two first round picks.
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RJ isn't known for defense. Fin isn't known for defense. Ginobili is known as a help defender. Parker isn't known for his defense. Put Sheed, Camby, Chandler, Kaman, etc beside Duncan though, and IMO, they are championship caliber again. SA has one chip left needed, and then to remain injury free.
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Here's the truth of the matter:
The world champions, Los Angeles Lakers, are probably quivering at the knees at this Spurs' deal. That's all you need to know. They are just in a different class right now, Dallas is not up there.
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sometimes you just have to laugh out loud.
But I can't even do that right now. Instead of doing this deal we let a division rival get him and allow that team to get back to championship level talent-wise.
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If this is not the "Gasol type deal" Cuban referred to earlier this summer, I don't know what is.
Richard Jefferson would have been the perfect complimentary player to Dirk and Howard. Kidd/Barea Howard/Terry Jefferson/Wright Dirk Damp in addition to our MLE to work with as well. the ONLY way this can be justified is that Dallas already has a bigger deal ready to be signed on draft night.
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