Rumor: Trading Amare?

[AxdemxO]

"Let me preface this by saying I doubted it when I heard it, too. But I have now heard it more than a few times. It has long been believed that Phoenix would be trimming off one of their “star” players this summer to avoid luxury tax. Most NBA pundits believed it would be the constantly “unappreciated” Shawn Marion heading out. Sources close to the situation say if the Suns make a trade this summer, and a lot of people don’t want to see it happen, the player more likely shopped is Amare Stoudemire. Why would Phoenix entertain such a crazy move? For one, Amare could return a massively impressive piece or group of pieces. Name any player in the league not named Kobe or LeBron, and Amare might get you a serious conversation. Word has it that Mike D’Antoni has said to a number of people that he’s not thrilled with Amare’s me-first manner, no matter how effective it is and that he believes the team was a better “team” last year with Amare on the bench. It’s is hard to grasp why anyone would consider trading Amare, who is just becoming who he’ll be, but if ownership does force a roster move, and D’Antoni is allowed to make the move he wants to make – don’t be surprised if Marion stays and Amare and a contract are moved, especially if it can return a massive marquee talent. Kevin Garnett doesn’t save you tax dollars, but an Amare package would get you a serious audience in Minnesota. Jermaine O’Neal, Ray Allen - virtually any big-name talent. Also keep in mind Phoenix has a couple of first round draft choices to play with. Time will tell how serious the rift may be between player and coach, but it sure would make this summer a bit more interesting if the Suns were looking to shop their premier big man."


I dont usually ask things like this. But how many of you would do a Dirk for Amare trade or maybe throw in a few more pieces to make it more interesting. I reallly would have a hard time doing this, but the only reason I think it would be amazing is to see Dirk and Nash play together again...that would be some Phoenix team..we wouldnt be bad either.

Any thoughts??

[Flacolaco]

Amare + Marion = Dirk.

[Dtownsfinest]

Suns would be idiots to get rid of Amare. Is there a more dominant finisher then Amare? He's worked and improved his mid-range game. He has potential to be one of the best in the game and he's still very young. When Nash retires what in the hell will Phoenix have? Atleast at the end of the day they can say they have a dominant big man with Amare. Trading Marion is the best bet.

[AxdemxO]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Amare + Marion = Dirk.

I disagree there, but like I said I dont think I would be able to do the trade, the only thing that makes it interesting to me is Nash and Dirk playing together with all the pieces they already have there.

Amare
Diaw or Bell

for

Dirk
Buck................I know the salaries probaby wouldnt match and like I said I dont think I would do it, but there are so many possibilities and it would be sooo interesting.

[Nash13]

That actually wouldn't be all that bad of an idea. The could trade him for 2 or 3 quality players to add to the depth of the team. Diaw is just as hard for a center to cover as Amare is, and if that 05-06 team didn't have a 6 man rotation, they'd probably would've been a lot better.

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Yeah last year the Suns got "farther" than this year in the playoffs without Amare. That's because their second round opponent was the freakin Clippers. This year their opponents were the going to be NBA Champions Spurs. Huge difference there. But there's no way their team is better without Amare. Dan Tony just wants to run and run and run and hasn't figured out that it hasn't won his team jack.

[AxdemxO]

Originally Posted by MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs

Yeah last year the Suns got "farther" than this year in the playoffs without Amare. That's because their second round opponent was the freakin Clippers. This year their opponents were the going to be NBA Champions Spurs. Huge difference there. But there's no way their team is better without Amare. Dan Tony just wants to run and run and run and hasn't figured out that it hasn't won his team jack.

With Dirk's shooting it could though.

[bobatundi]

if this is true, they're looking to shed salary. Dirk doesn't do that. i would think a more likely scenario would be a multiple team deal, including a team under the cap enough to absorb some extra salary, so that Phoenix can trade away Amare and get young, cheap talent and/or draft picks in return.

[rakesh.s]

Originally Posted by Flacolaco

Amare + Marion = Dirk.

you've found some good herb during the offseason

[AxdemxO]

Originally Posted by rakesh.s

you've found some good herb during the offseason

He sure did find something good.

Amare can score as well as Dirk/ Marion is close behind
They play better D
They rebound better

and thats just a crazy thing to say..

[MavsWiLLHaVeRinGs]

Yeah I would have to make that trade Amare/Marion for Dirk, but the Suns and Mavs teams would sure be weird.

[Tokey41]

No way in hell either team makes a direct trade to each other, you don't give up your best player to your main competition. Even if they for some reason wanted Dirk desperately (ex. Nash breaks down and cries and threatens to retire if they don't get Dirk), would we give him up for Amare? Maybe it's just my utter hate for egotistic morons who give themselves nicknames but I wouldn't. Amare and Marion? Maybe. Depends on what else we would have to throw in to make the salaries work. But Phoenix would probably feel it's giving up too much.

[RingTheBell]

He did not give himself the nickname. Facts come before opinion.

[AxdemxO]

No one is talking about a Marion and Amare for Dirk trade...and If I was the Suns I wouldnt do that. I am sorry but come on now, you guys are making Dirk wayy too overpriced when it comes to trades. I would never trade him personally, but I am honest at the same time and Dirk is not worth both Amare and Marion.

[Tokey41]

Originally Posted by RingTheBell

He did not give himself the nickname. Facts come before opinion.

Who gave it to him then? Standing tall and talented... blah. Quite possibly the worst nickname ever created regardless of origin.

And it doesn't change that I believe he is an egotistical moron (the anti-Dirk). Of course thats just opinion based on rumours that the Phoenix locker room had been lacking some chemistry, but if you have any facts to prove otherwise please feel free to offer them.

[jacktruth]

I don't think Amare is much without Nash's passes. He won't be as good on another team. Marion would be.

[RingTheBell]

Stoudemire's father, who died when he was twelve, gave him the nickname "Stat", an acronym for "Standing tall and talented".

Originally Posted by Tokey41

thats just opinion based on rumours

And those, you can take the the bank.

[rakesh.s]

Originally Posted by jacktruth

I don't think Amare is much without Nash's passes. He won't be as good on another team. Marion would be.

he averaged 20, 9 the year before nash got there..you're overrating nash big time.

[nashtymavsfan13]

Originally Posted by jacktruth

I don't think Amare is much without Nash's passes. He won't be as good on another team. Marion would be.

Amare and Marion were very good without Nash, and in the games he missed this year Amare stepped it up big time. Amare is able to create for himself much better than Marion, so I think Marion going to another team would be worse for him than Amare's going to another team would be for him. I think there's no reason why Amare couldn't be the focal point of the offense on another team and still average his 20 and 10. Marion I'm not so sure about. He relies on Nash finding him on his cuts to the basket, the alley-oops, the passes on the fast break etc. This statement is way too simple of one, and doesn't make much sense, at least to me.

That being said, I don't see why the Suns would trade Amare. He and Nash are the main parts of this team, and without either one of them they take a big step backward. I could see Marion or Diaw being traded, but Nash, Amare, and Barbosa will be staying.

[capitalcity]

Dwight Howard > Stuntamire

[Male30Dan]

Dwight Howard would definitely score a lot more if he had Nash passing to him, but he needs to work on his shot and FTs.

[spreedom]

I'd take D12 ten times out of ten if I had to pick b/t he and Stoudemire.. he almost always comes up with a defensive play when opponents try to post or drive on him, and as it's been said, if he had a real point guard on his team, he'd be scoring at least 25 ppg..

[dirno2000]

Howard is bigger and more athletic but no way is he a better player today. Teams don't fear him offensively the way they do Amare. That's what seperates good players from stars...the ability to carry a team on the offensive end for long stretches.

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by dirno2000

Howard is bigger and more athletic but no way is he a better player today. Teams don't fear him offensively the way they do Amare. That's what seperates good players from stars...the ability to carry a team on the offensive end for long stretches.

I think my point (and I believe someone else mentioned it as well) is that Howard would be just as big of a threat if he had a point guard spoonfeeding him wide open dunks and transition baskets. He might not be as polished offensively today, but if you gave him a PG that can actually get him the ball in the post on a consistent basis, his confidence (not to mention his numbers) would skyrocket.

[dirno2000]

It's been said many times but people overrate the Nash effect. During the four game stretch before the alll-star break when Nash was hurt Amare scored 36,36,29,26. When he faces you up from 15 feet there's not much you can do because his jump shot from 17-feet in is damn near money these days.

[pickupyonuts]

Originally Posted by dirno2000

It's been said many times but people overrate the Nash effect. During the four game stretch before the alll-star break when Nash was hurt Amare scored 36,36,29,26. When he faces you up from 15 feet there's not much you can do because his jump shot from 17-feet in is damn near money these days.

isn't that the stretch where they lost 3 of 4?

[dirno2000]

Originally Posted by pickupyonuts

isn't that the stretch where they lost 3 of 4?

Actuall I made a mistake. Nash didn't play in the Seattle game and Amare scored 18. I'm including the Denver game when Nash didn't play in the second half.

But yes, they lost 3 of 5. Is your point that the Suns aren't as good without Nash because I'd agree with that.

What I wouldn't agree with is that school of thought that Amare needs Nash to score a lot of points.

[Dtownsfinest]

I'm a little shocked by how much people underrate Stoudamire. I dare anyone to name me 9 better players then him in today's game. And its not just people on this site. There are really rumors out there of Suns getting rid of Amare and it just makes zero sense to me.

[Male30Dan]

I actually agree with you dtown... His shot and FT ability along with his athleticism and ability to finish really help him stand out. Sure, he isn't even close to Dwight on defense, but he isn't TERRIBLE either.

[Tokey41]

Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

I'm a little shocked by how much people underrate Stoudamire. I dare anyone to name me 9 better players then him in today's game. And its not just people on this site. There are really rumors out there of Suns getting rid of Amare and it just makes zero sense to me.

He's a terrific basketball player, you saw in the playoffs how he can really up his game even under pressure. It's his attitude thats the problem.

There is talk (even on Suns boards) of him disrupting team chemistry hence the trade rumours everywhere. If they are serious about trading him, such a talented great player on the court can you imagine what kind of problem he is in the locker room? For that reason alone I can name 9 better players I would rather have on my team for a year, just say no to ego maniacs.

[Male30Dan]

I would take him in a heart beat.

[dude1394]

Who could say no to black jesus.

[MavsX]

^ haha, i bless you my son.

[TripleDipping]

I would LMAO the day Amare has his selfish ass traded.

[RingTheBell]

Originally Posted by TripleDipping

I would LMAO the day Amare has his selfish ass traded.

Not gunna happen. First of all we don't even know if he is causing drama. Its pure speculation. He said she said kind of BS. Second of all, the Suns need to "get bigger" next year and trading one of, if not the best scoring young big men in the league, will ruin them.

[TripleDipping]

^ That's why I used "would". I still think Marion is the one who will get traded.

[RingTheBell]

Amare and Kobe have a man-crush on one another so I am thinking the Suns will push for Kobe.

Do I dare say they trade an aging Steve Nash for Kobe + or minus some filler players?