David Lee

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by BPo001

We all knew this was coming, but:

Dwain Price: David Lee clears waivers at 4 today and will sign with the #Mavs shortly thereafter.
– via Twitter DwainPrice

Any word on who we are releasing? I haven't seen any definitive news on who is going to be cut.




looking at you cv3.... but I doubt it.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by DGM

It's high risk if it cost a shot at Johnson.

Joe Johnson wants to play in Cleveland and you're trying to convince me that he's a "lower-risk" move than signing the guy whose #1 choice was Dallas? Okay.

[BPo001]

Eddie Sefko– Verified account ‏@ESefko
David Lee and a bunch of others clear waivers. Lee will sign with the Mavericks but perhaps not til Monday.
2:18 PM - 21 Feb 2016

[rimrocker]

How many players are we allowed to sign?

[mavErika]

Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Any word on who we are releasing? I haven't seen any definitive news on who is going to be cut.




looking at you cv3.... but I doubt it.

MacMahon just said it's probably going to be John Jenkins.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by mavErika

MacMahon just said it's probably going to be John Jenkins.

Crazy how the guy leads our team in scoring during the preseason, can't get on the floor except during garbage time, and is now being cut. How does CV still have a job??

Edit: Isn't CV's contract up at the end of the year? Another reason to dump him now. We have Jenkins locked up on a min contract for 3 years.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by mavErika

MacMahon just said it's probably going to be John Jenkins.

Well that's unfortunate. I guess with all the guards he's never going to play but he had a very friendly contract and is still only 24.

[DGM]

Jenkins and McGee both inactive. One of them probably gone tomorrow.

[Underdog]

@espn_macmahon: Reserve guard John Jenkins is expected to be waived to create a spot on the Mavs' roster for forward David Lee, sources said. Jenkins led Dallas in scoring during the preseason but has appeared in only 21 regular-season games. The Lee move will likely become official on Monday.

[Bryan_Wilson]

Originally Posted by Underdog

@espn_macmahon: Reserve guard John Jenkins is expected to be waived to create a spot on the Mavs' roster for forward David Lee, sources said. Jenkins led Dallas in scoring during the preseason but has appeared in only 21 regular-season games. The Lee move will likely become official on Monday.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by DGM

Jenkins and McGee both inactive. One of them probably gone tomorrow.

Kind of wondering if that's why Mejri is getting more burn this game. Trying to see if we can roll with him the rest of the year instead of McGee.

[mavErika]

Dirk asking the cameraman if he agrees with his viewpoint was hilarious

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by mavErika

Dirk asking the cameraman if he agrees with his viewpoint was hilarious

Even the ref who made the call was laughing at him.

[NeedlesKane]

I love Charlie, but the smart move would have been to part ways with him. John Jenkins is a really good young talent. He'll burn us in the future.

[rimrocker]

A little surprised we didn't move McGee before the TDL....seems we could have gotten at least a 2nd rounder for him.
We probably should have moved McGee and Felton for a useful bench player and hopefully been able to keep Jenkins as a long-term piece.

[NeedlesKane]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

A little surprised we didn't move McGee before the TDL....seems we could have gotten at least a 2nd rounder for him.
We probably should have moved McGee and Felton for a useful bench player and hopefully been able to keep Jenkins as a long-term piece.

Why would the Mavs trade for any draft pick? They don't draft, especially 2nd round players.

[mavErika]

^ oops, wrong thread. Fortunately skywalker pointed to that in he GDT

as for this one:

Originally Posted by BPo001

Crazy how the guy leads our team in scoring during the preseason, can't get on the floor except during garbage time, and is now being cut. How does CV still have a job??

Edit: Isn't CV's contract up at the end of the year? Another reason to dump him now. We have Jenkins locked up on a min contract for 3 years.

I tend to agree with all of what's written above, but I also assume that there are factors in play we just don't know about. It cannot be all about Rick rather keeping another big who's theoretically a capable 3pt shooter, or could it?

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

Why would the Mavs trade for any draft pick? They don't draft, especially 2nd round players.

It can be used as an asset. They could include that pick in a trade if need be.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

They don't draft, especially 2nd round players.

2012: Bernard James, Jae Crowder
2013: Ricky Ledo
2015: Satnam Singh

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by NeedlesKane

Why would the Mavs trade for any draft pick? They don't draft, especially 2nd round players.

I'll be shocked if McGee plays another minute the rest of this season so we should have gotten something for him while opening a roster spot in the process.
His only value to us right now is insurance in case Zaza, Lee, Mejri, AND Powell all go down for whatever reason.

[Underdog]

@coopmavs: David Lee is here and will wear his college and Knicks number 42

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Underdog

2012: Bernard James, Jae Crowder
2013: Ricky Ledo
2015: Satnam Singh

Don't forget the great Nick Fazekas, Shane Foster and Reyshawn Terry

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

Don't forget the great Nick Fazekas, Shane Foster and Reyshawn Terry

Just keeping it current so I wouldn't throw up in my mouth...... Thanks for ruining my plans.

But, yeah, it's not that they don't draft 2nd rounders, it's just that they're generally no good at it (like most teams...)

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Just keeping it current so I wouldn't throw up in my mouth...... Thanks for ruining my plans.

But, yeah, it's not that they don't draft 2nd rounders, it's just that they're generally no good at it (like most teams...)

You could almost make a case that we were able to net Powell for Crowder but that would be a reach...especially depending on who we virtually give up in the draft.

[NeedlesKane]

Originally Posted by Underdog

2012: Bernard James, Jae Crowder
2013: Ricky Ledo
2015: Satnam Singh

My mistake. They never find anyone of any value in the 2nd round. I don't care about a single player that they've drafted in that round because they suck at drafting.

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by Underdog

2012: Bernard James, Jae Crowder

The 2012 draft. Traded #17 for #24 #33 and #34

#24 Cunningham
#33 Sarge
#34 Crowder

#35 Draymond Green

Thats almost worse than the missed Giannis pick because with Sarge and Crowder they went specificially after defense.

Imagine we pick Draymond and then pick Giannis the next year...

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by sefant77

The 2012 draft. Traded #17 for #24 #33 and #34

#24 Cunningham
#33 Sarge
#34 Crowder

#35 Draymond Green

Thats almost worse than the missed Giannis pick because with Sarge and Crowder they went specificially after defense.

Imagine we pick Draymond and then pick Giannis the next year...

If you want to play the "hindsight game" with our picks for the last decade, in addition to Draymond Green, we could have drafted Marc Gasol (with pick #34, 2007), Paul Millsap (#28, 2006), Danny Green (#45, 2009), Taj Gibson (#25, 2009), Jared Sullener (#24, 2012), Ramon Sessions (#44, 2007) and Hassan Whiteside (#25, 2010)...... But so could most teams, and they didn't.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

[TheSportyChannel]

What an idiotic move by the mavs organization. Could have atleast released Jeremy Evans over Jenkins and still could satisfy Rick Carlisle taste for old men like Charlie. Next up in the dog house is Justin Anderson. Just another long list of young players confidence Rick likes to destroy.

[GermanStandard]

I think this is a Low Risk/High Reward Move.

We lost Jenkins who we didnt play anyway and Lee cant be worse than CV.

Lee was supposed to be a 20/10 Player for Boston. Most Experts predicted 18-20 PPG and 8-10 RPG.

It just didnt work out and Lee was massively overrated because he played on a high IQ Team with Curry, Klay and Green who made him look better than he is.

Sometimes it just doesnt work out. Lets look at Rondo who is putting up Elite Numbers and is even hitting his Free Throws. He looked horrible here and is now putting up monster stats in SAC this season.

Im not saying it happens with Lee but playing in a flow offense with unselfish players like the Mavs have , could have a positive impact on his game.

Also Lee is 32 which means he will likely want to play another 3-4 years in the league.

He is a UFA this summer so he may want to prove that he is worth a nice contract for Teams in the Summer.

Even if he stays that bad we dont lose anything. Neither for this season or next.

Its funny that most people want Joe Brick Johnson here. A guy that isnt shy of putting up 15 shots a night and shooting under 40% in most games.

We already have Wes that is playing pretty similiar to Johnson and cant find the basket most nights.

Joe Johnson would not improve Rebounding or the Big Man Rotation. We have enough Guards on the Roster.

[Thebo]

Originally Posted by GermanStandard

Lee was supposed to be a 20/10 Player for Boston. Most Experts predicted 18-20 PPG and 8-10 RPG.

This shows you how seriously the experts should be taken.

Originally Posted by GermanStandard

Sometimes it just doesnt work out. Lets look at Rondo who is putting up Elite Numbers and is even hitting his Free Throws. He looked horrible here and is now putting up monster stats in SAC this season.

Why people still make Kevin Love arguments is beyond me. First of all, I don't think Rondo was that bad as a Maverick, barring his turnovers, behavior and fit. Putting up big numbers on a bad team is nothing special. He is heavily ball dominant, obviously he's going to get a lot of assists, and he goes for rebounds. Kings are still way out of playoff race even though they have better talent than Kevin Love had in Minnesota. This is while they are sitting in a tank division of Suns and Lakers.

Originally Posted by GermanStandard

Im not saying it happens with Lee but playing in a flow offense with unselfish players like the Mavs have , could have a positive impact on his game.

Also Lee is 32 which means he will likely want to play another 3-4 years in the league.

I do not think Mavs should be thinking about having positive impact on any player's game. Mavs should look to improve the team by filling some needs. What kind of need does David Lee fill? We already have a center that doesn't block shots, and I seriously doubt Rick is going to give Lee more minutes at 4 than 5. Be ready to see CV and Lee on court at the same time.

I'm not against having David Lee in Dallas. Actually, I will try to get back on watching live games now that there is something to watch other than inconsistent effort. I don't get why people are arguing about Lee because it won't matter much if he's going to be a bust or not. Him wanting to stay in the league doesn't mean much, look at Amar'e last season. Question is more about who fills the need that Mavs have? There is no player available that fits that bill, so the Mavs go after best player available. It may be possible that Lee will reduce Dirk's minutes but his shooting touch has to be on par then.

I do think a valid argument was made about dumping Jenkins and Rick keeping young guns in the doghouse. It's the only thing in my view what separates him from Popovich. That said, releasing Jenkins was most logical thing to do.

[GermanStandard]

Originally Posted by Thebo

This shows you how seriously the experts should be taken.



Why people still make Kevin Love arguments is beyond me. First of all, I don't think Rondo was that bad as a Maverick, barring his turnovers, behavior and fit. Putting up big numbers on a bad team is nothing special. He is heavily ball dominant, obviously he's going to get a lot of assists, and he goes for rebounds. Kings are still way out of playoff race even though they have better talent than Kevin Love had in Minnesota. This is while they are sitting in a tank division of Suns and Lakers.



I do not think Mavs should be thinking about having positive impact on any player's game. Mavs should look to improve the team by filling some needs. What kind of need does David Lee fill? We already have a center that doesn't block shots, and I seriously doubt Rick is going to give Lee more minutes at 4 than 5. Be ready to see CV and Lee on court at the same time.

I'm not against having David Lee in Dallas. Actually, I will try to get back on watching live games now that there is something to watch other than inconsistent effort. I don't get why people are arguing about Lee because it won't matter much if he's going to be a bust or not. Him wanting to stay in the league doesn't mean much, look at Amar'e last season. Question is more about who fills the need that Mavs have? There is no player available that fits that bill, so the Mavs go after best player available. It may be possible that Lee will reduce Dirk's minutes but his shooting touch has to be on par then.

I do think a valid argument was made about dumping Jenkins and Rick keeping young guns in the doghouse. It's the only thing in my view what separates him from Popovich. That said, releasing Jenkins was most logical thing to do.

Like i said it doesnt matter. He cant do this Team further damage. Hes not a Locker Room Cancer and atleast has delivered in the past.

Even if he turns out to be a bust like he did with the C's he will just move down the bench and be gone in the Summer.

We had the Room Exception anyway so why not use it for a Player that atleast give you some Boards and some inside scoring?

Of course it would have been nice to find another Hassan Whiteside for bargain but that aint happen often.

Mavs need some Frontcourt Help and he was probably BPA. So at worst this is a leteral move.

[DGM]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

I'll be shocked if McGee plays another minute the rest of this season so we should have gotten something for him while opening a roster spot in the process.
His only value to us right now is insurance in case Zaza, Lee, Mejri, AND Powell all go down for whatever reason.

Why?

[sefant77]

Originally Posted by Underdog

If you want to play the "hindsight game" with our picks for the last decade, in addition to Draymond Green, we could have drafted Marc Gasol (with pick #34, 2007), Paul Millsap (#28, 2006), Danny Green (#45, 2009), Taj Gibson (#25, 2009), Jared Sullener (#24, 2012), Ramon Sessions (#44, 2007) and Hassan Whiteside (#25, 2010)...... But so could most teams, and they didn't.

Hindsight is always 20/20.

No, its not really the hindsight game with Draymond and Giannis. Giannis is obvious, Donnie was going to draft him until Cuban vetoed it.

With Crowder and Sarge they went after two defensive players, im pretty sure Green was in the discussion too. Or should have been.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by DGM

Why?

Because we now have 5 Centers on this team and going by Rick's willingness to play them indicates McGee is #5 on the depth chart. He won't play Powell or Lee at PF so get used to a primary rotation of Zaza/Dirk/Lee/Parsons in our front court with maybe some Mejri, Powell and Charlie in special situations. McGee will be lucky to ever wear a Mavs uniform again.

I'm telling you he is done as a Mav.

[bunkmoreland]

Can anyone defend the decision to drop Jenkins instead of Charlie Villanueva by referencing their contributions instead of their ability to be allowed onto the court?

[spreedom]

Originally Posted by GermanStandard

Lee was supposed to be a 20/10 Player for Boston. Most Experts predicted 18-20 PPG and 8-10 RPG.

It just didnt work out and Lee was massively overrated because he played on a high IQ Team with Curry, Klay and Green who made him look better than he is.

I don't want to make a big deal out of this because ultimately I don't think David Lee is going to have a big impact either this season or moving forward (I think he's too expensive to re-sign, and if we have the cap space it means we struck out on a bunch of guys and are going to be bad with or without Lee on our bench) but I don't think this is very accurate.

Lee was traded to the Celtics because he was an expiring contract. Any sort of on-court production he was going to give them would have been gravy. They clearly didn't have long-term plans for him and just picked him up as a positive locker room presence and as a way for the Warriors to clear some cap space (later flipping Gerald Wallace for Jason Thompson, I believe). Anyone that expected him to play 30+MPG on a rebuilding (albeit a good one) Celtics team was being pretty silly.

That said, though, when Lee was actually on the court for them he was pretty productive (and let's not forget that he looked pretty damn good in the Finals last summer the couple of games where he got real playing time... the Warriors obviously probably win it without him but he gave them a much-needed spark). He just wasn't really a fit there due to his age and the Celtics' lack of a true center or even a PF that could play the position for long stretches; when I looked at their roster this past summer I eyeballed Amir Johnson as someone that Lee would potentially have some success next to but that combination didn't see a ton of time together.

Now as we bring him in, I do feel like he is probably automatically the best backup PF we've had in at least 10 years, but with these reports/speculation that he's coming here to play center.... well, that's just another way that he's not being put in position to be successful and it isn't going to work out. Personally, I'd like to see him play about 12-15MPG as Dirk's primary backup, crashing the glass like a crazy man and making smart plays. I don't see him as a long-term fit here unless he comes on the very cheap (room exception or less), but I would definitely welcome him back here in that backup role for the next few years.

EDIT: FWIW, I think waiving Jenkins, who has been a productive shooter in the past and was on an insanely reasonable contract, over Charlie was pretty stupid. That said, if we offered Jenkins a similar three-year deal this summer I think we'd probably be able to bring him back so I'm not that bent out of shape about it. Just seems like a small thing that the team could have handled differently in terms of roster composition and the potential that I see in Jenkins that has obviously come and gone for Villanueva.

[DGM]

Originally Posted by rimrocker

Because we now have 5 Centers on this team and going by Rick's willingness to play them indicates McGee is #5 on the depth chart. He won't play Powell or Lee at PF so get used to a primary rotation of Zaza/Dirk/Lee/Parsons in our front court with maybe some Mejri, Powell and Charlie in special situations. McGee will be lucky to ever wear a Mavs uniform again.

I'm telling you he is done as a Mav.

x

He looked to be effective when he played. What did you see that would cause RC to fire him.

[sike]

David Lee.

Whatever.

Not a bad signing, especially for such a small amount.

The treadmill continues.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by bunkmoreland

Can anyone defend the decision to drop Jenkins instead of Charlie Villanueva by referencing their contributions instead of their ability to be allowed onto the court?

I can't really defend keeping Charlie over Jenkins. Jenkins at least has the ability to continue to improve and was on a cheap contract. Jenkins had the ball in his hands a lot in preseason and seemed to be improving in that regard.

I would say this is an example of off court chemistry, attitude and fit factoring somewhat. Maybe Jenkins doesn't work hard at his game or has a bad attitude? Charlie is very well liked and seems really happy to be here.
Of course Charlie can also fill the Dirk role and spread the floor when he is in. But he's been terrible this year for the most part, a couple of breakout games aside.

Important to remember we don't see these guys at practice or in film sessions or interacting as part of a team. So while its not the choice I or many here would've made we don't have the complete picture

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by DGM

x

He looked to be effective when he played. What did you see that would cause RC to fire him.

I thought McGee was very effective at times. Sure, he's prone to silly mistakes and occasionally out of position. To my eyes to the positives were mostly outweighing the negatives.

What is missed most from having McGee out there, aside from rim protection,
Was the nice p'n'r game he was developing with CP and the guards. Think our offense is really missing this wrinkle.

Only thing I can think is his minutes are tied to devins health somewhat?
Anyone else want to weigh in?

At some point these types of guys- Powell, McGee, Meiji, Anderson, Jenkins, Evans need to be allowed to work through mistakes and develop a rhythm. Being yanked in and out of the rotation isn't good for anyone's confidence and can cause players to press. Awful lot of tinkering going on still for this late in the season. I know some of this is situational and due to injuries. But I think maybe RC should've kept Powell and or McGee in the rotation and let them work thru the mistakes and slumps.