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Old 02-08-2016, 02:38 PM   #1
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February 18th, 3pm ET is the deadline

I know Cuban has said that he's not actively shopping, but this can be a repository for rumors, wishlists, and other trade deadline discussion involving the Mavs.

Will the Mavs make a deal? SHOULD the Mavs make a deal? If so, what should they be looking for? A position/player type or a specific player?
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This team is more than a piece or two away from being a contender, and I'm not sure if they have enough assets to trade for a difference-maker anyway.

Honestly, the Mavs feel like they're on cruise control until Dirk is no longer the best player on the roster (either because they find another superstar, his game falls off a cliff, or he retires...)
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This team is more than a piece or two away from being a contender, and I'm not sure if they have enough assets to trade for a difference-maker anyway.

Honestly, the Mavs feel like they're on cruise control until Dirk is no longer the best player on the roster (either because they find another superstar, his game falls off a cliff, or he retires...)
I feel like they are maybe one trade and a couple of good free agents/drafts from being good again.

Unfortunately, as you said, the only guys we can really afford are those guys that put teams over the top or solidify solid teams. Those guys aren't bad, but we have limited assets.
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I feel like they are maybe one trade and a couple of good free agents/drafts from being good again.
And that's enough reason to keep our powder dry at the trade deadline... No point in shaking things up now if we still need an offseason to right the ship.
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Players involved in trade rumors:
Tobias Harris (position)
Dwight Howard (unhappy in Hou, unhealthy, RFA who may walk)
Greg Monroe (bad defense, team is taking a defensive direction)
Michael Carter-Williams (coachability, not panning out, defense)
Gerald Henderson (one of the only assets the Trailblazers have.)
Ryan Anderson (NOP needs a rebuild. Good player on a mediocre team)
Evan Fournier (defense, ORL sucks)
Rudy Gay (fit in SAC, teams needs more help)
Al Hortford (ATL is disappointing, may rebuild)
Terrence Jones (position, etc.)
Markieff Morris (unhappy, Suns tanking, Suns know they have to move him)
Jeff Teague (ATL is disappointing, may rebuild)
Lou Williams (Lakers, unhappy)
Bradley Beal (RFA, may not stay)
Jared Sullinger (RFA, may not stay)
Dion Waiters (RFA, may not stay)
Andrew Nicholson (RFA, may not stay)
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I would still totally try and get MCW. He is exactly the type of youth future player the team desperately needs. No idea what assets we have to get him, but I'd at least call and find out.
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There were some supposed rumors about Thaddeus Young being dealt to Detroit...any interest in him if available?

Ryan Anderson would be someone I could see the Mavs going after and would be a fit plus provide scoring off the bench.
That $8.5mil salary will be hard to match though.

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I would still totally try and get MCW. He is exactly the type of youth future player the team desperately needs. No idea what assets we have to get him, but I'd at least call and find out.
"Coachability" stands out on that one.
Sounds like a potential new resident for Rick's doghouse.
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"Coachability" stands out on that one.
Sounds like a potential new resident for Rick's doghouse.
True, but I think having Deron here would ease his responsibility. Plus, Rick is going to play 10 guards every night come hell or high water. I like MCW's size and ability to drive to the rim. He is also a very good rebounder.
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@thesmokingcuban: ESPN would like to see a Carmelo Anthony-Chandler Parsons centered trade http://thesmokingcuban.com/2016/02/1...parsons-trade/
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I stopped when I saw future draft picks...not sure I'd even give up Powell.

But this is certainly a deal I could see Cuban making even if it would set us back a half decade or longer.

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Anthony is better than Parsons?
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I'd want more than just Melo. Knicks suck and can't be in the driver's seat with something like this. If you could get Melo AND Afflalo, then you're talking about a serious upgrade.
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I'd want more than just Melo. Knicks suck and can't be in the driver's seat with something like this. If you could get Melo AND Afflalo, then you're talking about a serious upgrade.
Agree but would be impossible to match $30mil in salary unless Matthews is included in the deal.

Matthews/Parsons for Melo/Afflalo straight up would work salary wise.
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I stopped when I saw future draft picks...not sure I'd even give up Powell.

But this is certainly a deal I could see Cuban making even if it would set us back a half decade or longer.
Not a criticism of either of you two in particular, but the week before the trade deadline is peak "I want to trade for a superstar but without giving up any of our valuable assets" time.

If we want to acquire a player the caliber of Carmelo Anthony, it's going to cost Powell or Anderson.. hopefully not both. It just is.

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Yes, he's a lot better than Parsons when healthy, which neither guy has had much luck with over the past couple of seasons. My biggest concern would be whether Melo's long-term health prospects look good after season-ending knee surgery a year ago and some recurring issues this season. If our training staff looked him over and gave the OK, I would sign off on this trade today.

I would see if we could get NYK to include Kyle O'Quinn as well...
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I'd want more than just Melo. Knicks suck and can't be in the driver's seat with something like this. If you could get Melo AND Afflalo, then you're talking about a serious upgrade.
If you're getting Afflalo, you need to be okay with him coming as a rental... with the cap exploding, most gossip I've heard has him opting out this summer. And I don't want him at $8M+ on a multiyear contract beyond next year.


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Agree but would be impossible to match $30mil in salary unless Matthews is included in the deal.

Matthews/Parsons for Melo/Afflalo straight up would work salary wise.
I don't know if I see that as an upgrade over the long term, unless you don't believe that Wes is ever going to be 80-85% of what he was in his prime.
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Melo is semi-done with his knees etc. And thank god his wife would never leave NY for Dallas...
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If our training staff looked him over and gave the OK, I would sign off on this trade today.
You'd be ok with including Powell and future draft picks for a 31 yo superstar on the back side of his career with an injury history who probably doesn't want to play here anyway?
I'm sorry but Melo to Dallas has Odom and disaster written all over it.
Giving up Parsons and/or Matthews wouldn't be the end of the world if he doesn't pan out but getting stuck with that contract and giving up any hope for a future is a definite HELL NO.

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There were some supposed rumors about Thaddeus Young being dealt to Detroit...any interest in him if available?

Ryan Anderson would be someone I could see the Mavs going after and would be a fit plus provide scoring off the bench.
That $8.5mil salary will be hard to match though.
Anderson would allow Dirk's minutes to be reduced while allowing Mavs to still have scoring on the floor.
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You'd be ok with including Powell and future draft picks for a 31 yo superstar on the back side of his career with an injury history who probably doesn't want to play here anyway? I'm sorry but Melo to Dallas has Odom and disaster written all over it.
Well considering we currently can't give up a future first-rounder, I would absolutely roll the dice on sending a couple of second-rounders to the Knicks... if it would even take that. And again, any trade like this would involve our training staff signing off on Melo's health. He isn't exactly an athletic freak that allows on speed or explosiveness to score... (again, assuming the knee injury isn't a thing moving forward) his game is going to age well.

And we have absolutely no idea whether or not Melo would want to play for Dallas. Assuming the trade goes through, that means he waves his no-trade clause AND goes from a disaster of a franchise to one that virtually guarantees him a playoff spot for the rest of his career. So if we complete this deal it's with Melo's specific consent to playing in Dallas. I think he'd embrace the stability and quality of a franchise that generally does a really good job year in and year out.

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Giving up Parsons and/or Matthews wouldn't be the end of the world if he doesn't pan out but getting stuck with that contract and giving up any hope for a future is a definite HELL NO.
So you'd give up Parsons or Matthews but not Powell?

Listen, I love Powell as a future prospect and feel like he could be a potential building block moving forward, but the reality in today's NBA is that he's probably a specialist: he isn't a full-time starting PF... so we're talking about a guy who's probably strictly a smallball backup center. I trade that kind of player, promise or not, for a sure thing ten times out of ten.
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There were some supposed rumors about Thaddeus Young being dealt to Detroit...any interest in him if available?

Ryan Anderson would be someone I could see the Mavs going after and would be a fit plus provide scoring off the bench.
That $8.5mil salary will be hard to match though.
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Three things to keep in mind with Anderson:
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  2. He can take some of the scoring pressure off of Dirk, but the two of them absolutely can't play together
  3. He's looking at a potential max deal, or at least very close to it this summer, so you either trade for him knowing he's a rental or you are committing a huge chunk of our future cap space to him.
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Anderson would allow Dirk's minutes to be reduced while allowing Mavs to still have scoring on the floor.
Yeah, IDK about his game as a whole but I know Ryan Anderson has size and can spread the floor like Dirk. That seems to be the type of PF Rick likes.
If I'm not mistaken he seems to be a little scrappy too.

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One thing, Melo has no-trade clause. So if he would end up in Dallas, he would be interested in playing for the Mavs.

I have no problem with getting Melo. I have a problem with getting his contract. His contract would limit a lot of what you could get this summer to improve the roster. I guess his contract is not that bad with Early Termination clause. Surely Knicks would have to throw in something other than just Melo.
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One thing, Melo has no-trade clause. So if he would end up in Dallas, he would be interested in playing for the Mavs.
Was just scrolling down to post this myself... He's not getting traded here unless he WANTS to be here (and if he does, then it's all good for Dallas).

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Less cap space, but more interest from FAs looking to pair up with a superstar...
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Was just scrolling down to post this myself... He's not getting traded here unless he WANTS to be here.

Less cap space, but more interest from FAs looking to pair up with a superstar...
True, true...

Also worth reminding ourselves that the Mavs' history shows a lot more improvement through trades than free agency. Is Parsons the biggest FA fish the team's signed in say... the past 15 years? If we have the ability to add a top 15-20 type of player without stripping the cupboard bare, I think we have to do it.
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Well considering we currently can't give up a future first-rounder, I would absolutely roll the dice on sending a couple of second-rounders to the Knicks... if it would even take that. And again, any trade like this would involve our training staff signing off on Melo's health. He isn't exactly an athletic freak that allows on speed or explosiveness to score... (again, assuming the knee injury isn't a thing moving forward) his game is going to age well.

And we have absolutely no idea whether or not Melo would want to play for Dallas. Assuming the trade goes through, that means he waves his no-trade clause AND goes from a disaster of a franchise to one that virtually guarantees him a playoff spot for the rest of his career. So if we complete this deal it's with Melo's specific consent to playing in Dallas. I think he'd embrace the stability and quality of a franchise that generally does a really good job year in and year out.



So you'd give up Parsons or Matthews but not Powell?

Listen, I love Powell as a future prospect and feel like he could be a potential building block moving forward, but the reality in today's NBA is that he's probably a specialist: he isn't a full-time starting PF... so we're talking about a guy who's probably strictly a smallball backup center. I trade that kind of player, promise or not, for a sure thing ten times out of ten.
Powell isn't such a big deal and is expendable considering Melo can play the 4 (especially in RC's system) and we have 3 capable centers. The draft picks are though mainly because we've been torched on the two most recent deals of giving up picks (Odom and Rondo). Two 2nd rounders are no brainers though. I'd hate to give up Powell but if he is required to close the deal I'd be ok with it.

Parsons isn't as big a deal because a half hearted Melo can give us similar production offensively as Parsons. Also we could lose Parsons anyway for nothing and Melo would be better than anyone we could sign in the off season. And we will most likely vastly overpay Parsons and be the same caliber next season so the risk is very low in giving up Parsons imo.

Matthews could be a loss but Afflalo would somewhat make up for it and we'd rid ourselves of that contract. I'd take the risk of going out in FA to find a SG plus Anderson might be able to elevate to that role...maybe even Jenkins.

Personally I'd be very skeptical about making that deal because Melo seems to be happy unconditionally in NY. I also don't think he makes us that much better and not sure he is a great fit with Dirk.
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Accepting the trade and being happy here are two entirely different things.
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Uh, are they? Unless you're saying he'd be excited to come and wouldn't be happy once he actually got here and saw how things were?
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I don't think LaLa would let Melo leave NY for Dallas. I thought the Mavs couldn't trade their 1st round pick since we still owe Boston a first for the Powell trade last season?
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With his no-trade clause, if Melo comes to Dallas it's because he WANTS to be here (I don't see an Odom/Rondo situation in that case)....... If he WANTS to be here, it's because he has a willingness to be coached-up by Rick Carlisle (because, really, why else would he WANT to be here?)....... If he can be coached-up by Carlisle, then the sky's the limit.

Parsons is probably going to opt out this summer, whereas Melo is under contract through the next two seasons (with a fat player option for the third)....... Two or three seasons is probably all Dirk has left in the tank....... Melo would instantly be the #1 option on offense....... His superstar status would draw FAs to Dallas over the next two summers while the cap spikes.

To my eyes, trading Chandler Parsons for Carmelo Anthony is exactly the kind of move this FO is looking to make....... Don't think for a moment that guys like Powell or Anderson are going to hinder that goal.
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Awww sheeeit, here come the trade rumors!

@RussJohnson: Dallas Mavericks, Detroit Pistons amongst the teams interested in trading for Timberwolves guard Kevin Martin, a league source indicated.
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Uh, are they? Unless you're saying he'd be excited to come and wouldn't be happy once he actually got here and saw how things were?
Yeah....he hasn't exactly been a winner anywhere else he has been and if he doesn't make us significantly better I could see things going sour very quickly.
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To my eyes, trading Chandler Parsons for Carmelo Anthony is exactly the kind of move this FO is looking to make....... Don't think for a moment that guys like Powell or Anderson are going to hinder that goal.
You sure about that first part? If Dirk couldn't how will Melo?

Agree with the 2nd part completely....just hope it doesn't happen.
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Different personalities.
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Which should favor Dirk.
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Which should favor Dirk.
Look, I love Dirk, but he's not part of the NBA's inner clique -- Melo is.
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As I said before if Powell was a difference maker I could embrace the deal letting him go because the reward would could be greater than the risk but I certainly wouldn't give up future #1 draft picks....we could easily be a lotto team in 2 years.
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Agree and I'd say this to support your case that many FAs have probably considered this Dirk's team so their egos wouldn't want to compete with him to be the face of the franchise.
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Seems like a lateral move at best assuming Felton is most likely the one we'd be giving up.

So what, Felton/Charlie/2nd Rounder for KM?

Not sure what scenario would make us any better.
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Seems like a lateral move at best assuming Felton is most likely the one we'd be giving up.

So what, Felton/Charlie/2nd Rounder for KM?

Not sure what scenario would make us any better.
With the way he has been playing this year and Rick continuing to give him minutes I think Charlie V. gone would be addition by subtraction. Plus, K Mart would give up some much needed size as out back up SG. Enough of these 2 PG lineups.
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