GDT: Mavs vs Pistons 03/09/16 7:30pm CT - Page 2 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

yahyes · 03-09-2016, 10:52 PM

I like Lee. But he's been playing too much. Plus Lee is different game situations. There's other guys who have helped us win.

EricaLubarsky · 03-09-2016, 10:54 PM

When do we break the (now 4-game) losing streak?

Sat - Indy
Mon - @ Cha
Wed - @Cle
Fri - GSW

EricaLubarsky · 03-09-2016, 10:55 PM

this is embarrassing. Can't even get the ball in.

yahyes · 03-09-2016, 10:55 PM

Shitty losing streak

Bryan_Wilson · 03-09-2016, 10:57 PM

yahyes · 03-09-2016, 10:57 PM

Carlisle has got to adjust something that has us on win streaks

Underdog · 03-09-2016, 10:57 PM

CGM · 03-09-2016, 10:58 PM

For some reason, the only thought on my mind right now is: Was this the last game of RC as the Mavs' coach?

EricaLubarsky · 03-09-2016, 11:00 PM

Seriously, Houston is doing better than us.

5-10 - Mavs over last 15, 0-4 current streak.

Are we heading for an 8th seed, another sweep, and no draft pick, followed by another @#$%y season of swinging for the fences and failing, followed by a sad, mediocre season of crushed optimism

Mavs really have no future. No assets, no draft picks, Dirk will eventually have to retire, no rebuilding plan.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-09-2016, 11:03 PM

Not the least bit surprised. I'd almost rather not make the playoffs so that the team can avoid the embarrassment.

Once again, two of Parsons/Matthew/Dwill don't play well. Sure glad Matthew is earning that money with his worthless 10 points and pretty much nothing else.

yahyes · 03-09-2016, 11:04 PM

Even Dirk can make a better pass. But he can't because Parsons hasn't stepped up to go for the game winner. Enough with Parsons passing the ball in bounds. He thinks too much that ends up being 5 seconds.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-09-2016, 11:05 PM

Meanwhile, Dirk is playing like a superstar. 22ppg on 53%!!! shooting in his last five. Amazing and the only reason I even give a damn.

Underdog · 03-09-2016, 11:06 PM

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Even Dirk can make a better pass. But he can't because Parsons hasn't stepped up to go for the game winner. Enough with Parsons passing the ball in bounds. He thinks too much that ends up being 5 seconds.

This game was lost on more than one play.

EricaLubarsky · 03-09-2016, 11:07 PM

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Meanwhile, Dirk is playing like a superstar. 22ppg on 53%!!! shooting in his last five. Amazing and the only reason I even give a damn.

He's certainly the only story worth following this season. It doesn't even feel like we are heading for the playoffs.

EricaLubarsky · 03-09-2016, 11:10 PM

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This game was lost on more than one play.

Yeah, the game was lost when Rick stepped out there as coach with a completely mediocre group of players.

mac222b · 03-09-2016, 11:12 PM

Felton had a ton of shots rattle out. Wes has so little impact most of the time he may as well be invisible. Deron looks disinterested

mac222b · 03-09-2016, 11:15 PM

Dirk and Chandler really brought it tonight. Zaza too. You can see the frustration on Dirks face. He's playing his ass off

DGM · 03-09-2016, 11:21 PM

Players see RC's head games. They see three monsters in a row with McGee in street clothes. JJ, Harris, Dirk and Parsons had excellent chemistry with him and then RC " dog housed" him. Sending a limited Zaza and Lee as the primary big guys against those guys doesn't give the team the best chance to win. Players see that crap. RC's ego has gotten the best of him.

mac222b · 03-09-2016, 11:27 PM

[QUOTE=EricaLubarsky;1398789]Seriously, Houston is doing better than us.

5-10 - Mavs over last 15, 0-4 current streak.

Are we heading for an 8th seed, another sweep, and no draft pick, followed by another @#$%y season of swinging for the fences and failing, followed by a sad, mediocre season of crushed optimism

Mavs really have no future. No assets, no draft picks, Dirk will eventually have to retire, no rebuilding

Dirk can't cover Cubans ass anymore. He has made so terrible decisions since the title. We're stuck watching this crap. Dirk deserves better. I know DeAndre would've solved some of this. It doesn't excuse missing so much in the draft or outright neglecting it, trading for washed up crackheads or broken down headcase misfit ball dominant point guards(whom your coach doesn't want!) or handing Wes Matthews 17m a year when he'd agreed to 13 or whatever.

Cuban is the common denominator. Donnie was overruled on Giannis to save pennies. the coaching staff/scouts must've known Rondo wouldn't fit. Rosas left and I'm sure we can imagine why. His input wasn't going to be valued. It's Cubans show. He's the smartest guy in the room. Unfortunately he's become the new Jerry Jones.

mac222b · 03-09-2016, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DGM

Players see RC's head games. They see three monsters in a row with McGee in street clothes. JJ, Harris, Dirk and Parsons had excellent chemistry with him and then RC " dog housed" him. Sending a limited Zaza and Lee as the primary big guys against those guys doesn't give the team the best chance to win. Players see that crap. RC's ego has gotten the best of him.

This season is far from Ricks best work. He's made more in game blunders late game then I can ever recall. But it's not fair to put it on him.

He seems a step slow on everything lately to me. He's actually a move or two behind- slow to recognize a bad matchup for instance. And conversely to quick to yank Meijiri, JA, Powell and McGee. But at the end of it he's working with some tired old legs. They aren't getting stops down the stretch. They are making uncharacteristic mistakes, missing bunnies. That's the main problem of which RC is but a fraction.

EricaLubarsky · 03-09-2016, 11:41 PM

Steph is fun to watch.

DGM · 03-09-2016, 11:44 PM

Zaza would be a much more valuable if he hadn't been ridden so hard early in the season. Wes would have more value if not beaten up playing three in small ball. Lee and Dirk would be more valuable sharing four minutes. Simba's talent has been wasted. It's a bad coaching job.

jleefilled · 03-09-2016, 11:50 PM

I hope this doesn't come off as Parsons-hate, but does anyone else feel like the Mavs were playing their best ball when Parsons was coming off the bench and playing a more limited role? I've been waiting for the Mavs to figure out how to play with Parsons as the main guy, but for some reason, they never seem to hit on all cylinders while Chandler has had it going good. Maybe Deron and Wes need to be more of a focal part of a team for them to be most successful.

I'm not saying Parsons isn't a starting caliber player or anything like that. He obviously has star potential. But for this team, as currently constructed, perhaps he might be best used in a sixth man type role.

DGM · 03-09-2016, 11:54 PM

No. The ball should be in CP's hands. He and JJ are the best creators on the team.

spreedom · 03-10-2016, 12:01 AM

While I'll say I haven't agreed with every decision Rick has made this season (or even broad strokes of his strategy from jump street) I will say I don't believe we would be markedly better or worse with McGee on the court. It does seem odd that he went from having about a 10-game stretch where he looked engaged and active, to street clothes on game 11 with no really obvious reason. I'm sure there's more to this story than we know just from watching, but against teams with athletic centers McGee would seem like a decent option to play backup or even just third string center.

That said, I've said all along this season that I feel like this roster has too many holes for even a great coach to plug. I'm very hopeful that this summer sees a major roster upgrade or, barring that, a youth movement overhaul.

DGM · 03-10-2016, 12:05 AM

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While I'll say I haven't agreed with every decision Rick has made this season (or even broad strokes of his strategy from jump street) I will say I don't believe we would be markedly better or worse with McGee on the court. It does seem odd that he went from having about a 10-game stretch where he looked engaged and active, to street clothes on game 11 with no really obvious reason. I'm sure there's more to this story than we know just from watching, but against teams with athletic centers McGee would seem like a decent option to play backup or even just third string center.

That said, I've said all along this season that I feel like this roster has too many holes for even a great coach to plug. I'm very hopeful that this summer sees a major roster upgrade or, barring that, a youth movement overhaul.

Wouldn't you like to know as Paul Harvey used to say "the rest of the story".

DGM · 03-10-2016, 12:08 AM

McGee shut down Zeebo in a game and played 7 minutes in the next game against Memphis. I have questions.

spreedom · 03-10-2016, 12:10 AM

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Wouldn't you like to know as Paul Harvey used to say "the rest of the story".

TBH I'd support sending McGee in just as a tornado trying to block/goaltend every single shot while he's in, and pick-and-rolling every single time down the floor on offense. Rick's a basketball coach and I'm not, but I don't see what the harm would be... just shake things up a little bit. Like is there any reason our second unit couldn't be JJ/Felton/Anderson/Parsons/McGee for two minutes per half?

But again, I don't think something like that would have turned the tide in any of these past four games, but it would be interesting to see if it could be effective at all.

DGM · 03-10-2016, 12:15 AM

Lots more blocks than goal tends. Why so hostile.

spreedom · 03-10-2016, 03:05 AM

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Lots more blocks than goal tends. Why so hostile.

Not what I meant to imply... Poor phrasing on my part. I just meant we shod send him in and tell him to swat at shots with impunity just to present a totally different look defensively, even if it meant a higher goal tending rate by JaVale's standards. At least, with his other limitations, he would bring the that threat of blocked shots.

And TBH you could probably deploy Mejri in a similar role... I'd like to see him getting 10mpg on almost any case since we have the opportunity to keep him for so cheap the next year or so... I'd like to see if he can be fulltime backup to build around going forward.

blicknest · 03-10-2016, 07:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oitYpvBBip4

Underdog · 03-10-2016, 09:50 AM

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That said, I've said all along this season that I feel like this roster has too many holes for even a great coach to plug. I'm very hopeful that this summer sees a major roster upgrade or, barring that, a youth movement overhaul.

Carlisle is getting dumped on for not giving more minutes to rookies and journeymen -- as if playing lesser talent from the end of the bench is going to magically fix this mess of a team. That's how poorly this roster is constructed right now.

DGM · 03-10-2016, 10:01 AM

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Carlisle is getting dumped on for not playing rookies and journeymen -- that tells you all you need to know about our roster.

What he's doing isn't working. They are all journeymen other than Parsons and Dirk. They may be paid a lot but their performance is resulting in lost games. It may not hurt to try something different.

Is it possible that some of the blame is RC's?

Underdog · 03-10-2016, 10:45 AM

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What he's doing isn't working. They are all journeymen other than Parsons and Dirk. They may be paid a lot but their performance is resulting in lost games. It may not hurt to try something different.

Is it possible that some of the blame is RC's?

When you need a hammer, but the closest thing you have is a rubber mallet, you don't bust out a screwdriver and expect better results.

It's not like Carlisle is underachieving with some amazing roster at his disposal -- this squad was pegged to be a lotto team in the preseason, yet here we are competing for a playoff spot. One might call that overachieving.

Here's what's wrong with this team: veterans on 1-year contracts don't play as hard as veterans on 4-year contracts... Do you think a guy like D-Will is going to kill his body so this team can win games? Hell no, he's trying to stay healthy so he can milk another payday (which has been the case for a lot of our starters since we won the title...)

Cuban needs to abandon the fantasy that any superstar would want to come to Dallas to help Old Man Dirk win another ring, and start taking a full rebuild seriously... Because whenever we strike out on those big names, we're stuck with hired guns looking to earn a bigger payday when they move on from Dallas... Mercenary ball just isn't working, and Cuban's plan to retool on the fly has yielded nothing but mediocrity.

rimrocker · 03-10-2016, 10:58 AM

I'm certainly not blaming Lee by any means but we have basically sucked ever since he came on board. I knew McGee and Powell would never see the court again after he was signed but we were at least beating lesser skilled teams when they were playing.
Lee has been great but I think RC needs to go with more of a traditional PF style and let Lee play WITH Zaza and McGee or Mejri. I'd even like to see Lee with Powell because we're missing Powell's energy.

This team is falling in love with 3ptrs and that seems to be what kills us. Right now we simply aren't hitting them and the impact is showing on the scoreboard. Our defense isn't even close to making up for our shooting slumps during games.

Bottom line....we don't need to stay stretch 4 style the entire game.

SMC0007 · 03-10-2016, 11:08 AM

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Dirk and Chandler really brought it tonight. Zaza too. You can see the frustration on Dirks face. He's playing his ass off

Maybe offensively.

How many times inside of 9 minutes in the 4th did he leave Morris wide ass open for literally no reason for a 3 that was drained as he closed out way late. The last 2 he hit wasn't even drive and kick. It was from one single pass and Dirk was standing around the top of the key. No reason to, no one was remotely threatening to penetrate from a pnr or screen. Rick even glared at him after he had to call a timeout because of it.

Poor defense and rebounding and he's definitely a part of it.

SMC0007 · 03-10-2016, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

When you need a hammer, but the closest thing you have is a rubber mallet, you don't bust out a screwdriver and expect better results.

It's not like Carlisle is underachieving with some amazing roster at his disposal -- this squad was pegged to be a lotto team in the preseason, yet here we are competing for a playoff spot. One might call that overachieving.

Here's what's wrong with this team: veterans on 1-year contracts don't play as hard as veterans on 4-year contracts... Do you think a guy like D-Will is going to kill his body so this team can win games? Hell no, he's trying to stay healthy so he can milk another payday (which has been the case for a lot of our starters since we won the title...)

Cuban needs to abandon the fantasy that any superstar would want to come to Dallas to help Old Man Dirk win another ring, and start taking a full rebuild seriously... Because whenever we strike out on those big names, we're stuck with hired guns looking to earn a bigger payday when they move on from Dallas... Mercenary ball just isn't working, and Cuban's plan to retool on the fly has yielded nothing but mediocrity.

No doubt.

Wes is the latest prime example of this.

Underdog · 03-10-2016, 11:30 AM

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No doubt.

Wes is the latest prime example of this.

Yeah, when the highest-paid guy on your roster is an above-average roleplayer coming off of a major injury........ YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

Prime Wes? No doubt... But his prime ended with that injury -- and I'm not sure if we're even getting 60% of what he used to be on both ends of the floor.

DevinHarriswillstart · 03-10-2016, 11:34 AM

I just hate that we're playing the worst basketball at the exact wrong time. I'm starting to see signs of players tuning Rick out which is really bad. And the "be ready" approach needs to be altered because frankly it isn't working. I agree that he doesn't have the talent he needs to work with, but he just hasn't been a very good coach this second half of the season. Playing Matthews at SF needs to stop immediately because he isn't excelling there, and it isn't helping the team. And you might as well play the young guys because this team isn't going anywhere. Like seriously, are we just going to let Dwight Powell walk this summer rendering the Rondo trade a 100% failure? Or keep him just to not play him?

Wtf is going on?

DGM · 03-10-2016, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

When you need a hammer, but the closest thing you have is a rubber mallet, you don't bust out a screwdriver and expect better results.

It's not like Carlisle is underachieving with some amazing roster at his disposal -- this squad was pegged to be a lotto team in the preseason, yet here we are competing for a playoff spot. One might call that overachieving.

Here's what's wrong with this team: veterans on 1-year contracts don't play as hard as veterans on 4-year contracts... Do you think a guy like D-Will is going to kill his body so this team can win games? Hell no, he's trying to stay healthy so he can milk another payday (which has been the case for a lot of our starters since we won the title...)

Cuban needs to abandon the fantasy that any superstar would want to come to Dallas to help Old Man Dirk win another ring, and start taking a full rebuild seriously... Because whenever we strike out on those big names, we're stuck with hired guns looking to earn a bigger payday when they move on from Dallas... Mercenary ball just isn't working, and Cuban's plan to retool on the fly has yielded nothing but mediocrity.

I agree with most of what you stated, but Carlisle has some culpability for the recent play of the team. You give him a pass that he doesn't completely deserve.

Here's why i complain:
- Playing a beat up journeyman (Zaza) and a 6-9 power forward (Lee) at center with three bigger centers on the bench (one inactive). Zaza started out great but RC has run him into the ground. He's not able to do what he could earlier in the year.
- Using Dirk like he's 27 instead of 37. Lee, Dirk and Powell are power forwards. They should played at center sparingly.
- Using a 6-5 two guard who is coming off a severe injury against bigger and stronger small forwards makes him less efficient. Wes at two guard for 30 minutes backed up by Williams and Harris would help him. He shoud not be played at three so much. I see the same with Wes as Zaza. Too many minutes (especially at three)has worn him down. Two tiny guards on the floor together is a prescription for bad defense. For example, the Mavs were lucky last night because Caldwell-Pope was off. He missed lots of open shots and could shoot over Felton and JJ at will.
- Not playing Anderson behind Parsons and giving him some minutes.

I have to agree about D-Will. He plays in spurts and has the body language of a guy who would stay home if he could still get his money.