Welcome Shan Foster

[greensborohill]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Shane Falco?

Keanu rules

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Wow, the 51 pick! Snooze.

Feeling like another winner of an offseason...

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by bgarrett

First it was just making open shots, then it was when it counted and only late in the season now its looking at hot spots. Make up your mind brotha. That shows where their hot spots are on the floor not the TIMING of the shots. HE shot better at home than on the road, what if all his timely shots came at home from those hotspots? ITs too hard to tell all of that stuff. I watched the games just like you did. The only thing I can agree with you on is that he Fell apart and became a different player to finish the season and in the playoffs, no doubt. My original point was the season stats show that his FG% were similar to JET's.

What is this "make up your mind" nonsense? I said very clearly--Josh didn't make shots when it counted. I couldn't give less of a damn if he nailed his patented 22 foot iso fadeaway in November.

His "timely shots"? If you actually had watched all the games, as I and many others did, you would have never used such a phrase in connection with Josh Howard. I'm not sure the man has hit more than a very small handful of timely shots in the past two seasons.

The season stats are misleading. Josh is nowhere near the shooter Jet is. Do you actually believe otherwise? Josh's overall shooting percentage is comparable because he took almost twice as many shots under the basket, and made a higher percentage of them (61%) than Jet did (57%). The two guys are not even on the same plateau in terms of shooting ability.

[Dirkenstien]

When the guy you draft gets more attention for his crummy singing and piano playing than for what he does on the court you know you screwed the pooch.

Where the hell did Cuban all of the sudden get this crappy idea that he needs to start being conservative with his money? We literally could have bought CRD and Deandre Jordan, two fantastic prospects, for money that won't count against our cap but we're now all of the sudden getting cold feet about handing over cash? I guess we should have thought about that before we threw a freaking fortune at New Jersey to get Jason Kidd.

This is pathetic.

[jacktruth]

He is absolutely money once he sets his feet, featuring NBA plus range on his jumper and absolutely no conscience running off a screen (which he does quite well) and firing away.
He’s an unselfish player who seems to have a very nice feel for the game.
intensity
excellent size and wingspan

What's not to get excited about. He's sounds like a player to me.

[EricaLubarsky]

I'm excited about Foster but I'm always wearing those pink, homer glasses.

He seems like a really solid pick and in a weak draft that only had 3-4 sure things he seems like just about the best pick we could have hoped for at our draft position. At worst he's Ager and he dissapears into thin air-- we dont even have to sign a single paycheck for him if we dont want to and if we want him this year he'll only cost us 400k.

From all the reports, he sounds like a smart basketball player with a good basketball IQ, who knows how to play the pick-n-roll, get himself open, move without the ball and use screens. With a guy like Kidd running the point he may just be effective in limited minutes this year. I'd love him to get a contract and spend a lot of the year in the D-League and practicing with the team (along with Terry)-- he doesnt seem to need development time to bulk up (he probably can't), work on his shooting (his form is about as good as its going to get), or learn the game (he seems pretty smart). Sounds like he just needs to get used to the NBA game, the Mavs playbook and work on his defensive footwork.

[Flip41]

I believe what I saw last night was Cuban's ass being so tight that he could eat coal and crap a diamond.

[Bookit]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jBk...eature=related


I like the kid and especially like the part where he welcomes the criticism that he can't drive to the basket.

[Underdog]

What's all this fuss about not getting a slasher with pick #51???

Most second-rounders don't make any impact in the NBA until their second or third season (if ever), but shooters can actually contribute from the get-go since it's one of the few abilities that smoothly translates from college to the pros... None of the slashers available at #51 are going to make an impact THIS season, so why bother? Get your shooters in the draft, then go after veteran slashers via free agency or trades...

There's no need to for a "win-now" team to get their panties in a bunch over the Draft (unless you land a top-20 pick) - our best shot at winning with Dirk lies in veteran specialists and All-Stars, not unseasoned rookies...

We needed a shooter, we got a shooter - good draft so far...

[Flip41]

I have no problem with the pick. I just think there were opportunities to improve the squad, and it came down to money. But hey it's not my money, it's Cubans.

[bgarrett]

Originally Posted by ProdigyDub

What is this "make up your mind" nonsense? I said very clearly--Josh didn't make shots when it counted. I couldn't give less of a damn if he nailed his patented 22 foot iso fadeaway in November.

His "timely shots"? If you actually had watched all the games, as I and many others did, you would have never used such a phrase in connection with Josh Howard. I'm not sure the man has hit more than a very small handful of timely shots in the past two seasons.

The season stats are misleading. Josh is nowhere near the shooter Jet is. Do you actually believe otherwise? Josh's overall shooting percentage is comparable because he took almost twice as many shots under the basket, and made a higher percentage of them (61%) than Jet did (57%). The two guys are not even on the same plateau in terms of shooting ability.

Dood the first thing you started off with was that "no one besides Dirk, Bass and JEt actually hit open shots!" Then you narrowed it down to timely shots. I watched the games, and while you are not sure that he hit more than a very small handfull of timely shots, Jho hit plenty of open shots, period! He wasn't Mr clutch in the 4th Qtr especially late in the season because of a lot of things, Avery hit the brakes on everything and threw the ball in to let Dirk make things happen. I don't care if his shots came form under the basket, JET's game is Shooting jumpers, Josh's game is creating, shooting and slashing!

You make it seem like a ton of times the games came down to an open jumper from outside and Dirk, bass and Jet were the only ones that kept us afloat. Without Josh, so many times they wouldn't have even been in those games. As BGmav said so many times he had to shoot contested shots and shoulder the load, so yeah sseason stats ARE MISLEADING. Don't hurt yourself jumpin back on the bandwagon when he turns it all around!

There are a bunch of open shots hit in this game alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14wICbAqX9E

[bgarrett]

@#51 Im completely happy with this pick. Donnie is still vey much on the hotseat until FA is over as far as Im concerned. I don't blame all of it on him seems like Cuban may be tightening his pockets.

[slowmo]

Donnie just on the ticket said other teams were asking $2mil plus several future 2nd rounders for late first round picks and 2nd round picks! He said they were not going to leverage their future picks for those insane prices! he said he has never seen the type asking prices he saw last night!

[Bookit]

I will go out on a limb and say Foster is a much better player than Ager.

[Itachi]

Originally Posted by Bookit

I will go out on a limb and say Foster is a much better player than Ager.

I actually think that too.

[Usually Lurkin]

Originally Posted by slowmo

Donnie just on the ticket said other teams were asking $2mil plus several future 2nd rounders for late first round picks and 2nd round picks! He said they were not going to leverage their future picks for those insane prices! he said he has never seen the type asking prices he saw last night!

yeah - and we'll only give up future picks if we're also getting rid of some youth in the process!

[Flip41]

Sure seems like I saw a few picks go for just cash considerations.

[horse900703]

Average 20.3 Points, 4.9 Rebounds and 1.9 Assists.

[Bookit]

Originally Posted by slowmo

Donnie just on the ticket said other teams were asking $2mil plus several future 2nd rounders for late first round picks and 2nd round picks! He said they were not going to leverage their future picks for those insane prices! he said he has never seen the type asking prices he saw last night!

Huh, I guess just giving away picks ended last season.

[ty]

Originally Posted by Janett_Reno

Very, very good pick at 52. Please make me forget about Faz. I like this because maybe we will try to pawn some of these older Eddie Jones, Stackhouse. Let R Terry play defensive sg and S Foster offensive sg.

You know your team sucks when you have to play two players to fill the void on both sides of the court.

[ty]

Originally Posted by chumdawg

Bottom feeders. That's what we are these days...bottom feeders.

^ Best line in the thread.

[Kidd Karma]

There were a couple of trades that combined both. Minnesota moved Chalmers(#34) for cash and 2 2nd rounders. SA moved the 45 for 48, a future 2nd rounder and cash.

#47 was cash only,
#55 was for a future 2nd,
#36 was for 3 future 2nd rounders

[Flip41]

Guess who got the lowest grade. From ESPN

Dallas Mavericks Grade: D

Round 1: None

Round 2: Shan Foster (51)

Analysis: Dallas sent its first-round pick to the Nets as part of what is shaping up to be a disastrous deal for Jason Kidd. With the Mavs looking old and on the downward slope, they no longer have a pick to start to reload their team.

Foster is a good shooter, but he has virtually no chance of getting any burn in Dallas unless the team decides not to sign any guards this summer in free agency.

[ty]

Originally Posted by Itachi

I actually think that too.

lol. What a solid first post. Probably top 10 first posts in DM history.

Short, to the point, agreed with an older poster, slipped it in there and just disappeared back into the crowd like a phantom--I almost didn't even notice!

[foglemann]

I don't mind the pick at #51, the draft can't have 51 great players, although I feel Shan has a chance to make the team, about all you can ask for at that pick. The issue I have is all the smokescreening that Donnie, Cuban, Charlilse are now doing. Everyday and every interview, they are telling everyone they are trying hard or in the mix or ready for anything someone offers them, then they sit around and do nothing when the majority of the free world knows that our beloved Mavericks need change. Don't get it.

[Bookit]

Originally Posted by foglemann

I don't mind the pick at #51, the draft can't have 51 great players, although I feel Shan has a chance to make the team, about all you can ask for at that pick. The issue I have is all the smokescreening that Donnie, Cuban, Charlilse are now doing. Everyday and every interview, they are telling everyone they are trying hard or in the mix or ready for anything someone offers them, then they sit around and do nothing when the majority of the free world knows that our beloved Mavericks need change. Don't get it.

I was one of those guys who wanted to give Donnie all the credit in the past for getting all our good players and dissing what Nellie actually contributed. Now I am not so sure.

[alby]

Originally Posted by Bookit

I was one of those guys who wanted to give Donnie all the credit in the past for getting all our good players and dissing what Nellie actually contributed. Now I am not so sure.

you just opened the doors for Chum!

[purplefrog]

There are at least two good things about this thread and Shan Foster.

1) He is a singer and pianist. With these talents the Mavs braintrust may be willing to part with Stack now that they have someone else to sing the Star-Spangled Banner.

2) The comparisons to Ager reminded me that Mo is still a Net and not a Maverick!

On a more serious note. The guy can really shoot the basketball. That video of his 42 pts against Mississippi State is awesome!

[Flip41]

That video is greatness. He has a Redd type release on his shot.

[bgarrett]

Originally Posted by ty

lol. What a solid first post. Probably top 10 first posts in DM history.

Short, to the point, agreed with an older poster, slipped it in there and just disappeared back into the crowd like a phantom--I almost didn't even notice!

Well now thanks to you we all recognize!


I would appreciate him better if he jumped in and dissagreed while telling all the elders to S his ween.

[ty]

He definitely didn't make an ass out of himself like some others...

[Zki41]

As a player without any regards to what the team needed, it was a good pick.

For what the team needed, it was a terrible pick. We need a young, fresh, tall center that can score offensively. Dallas has enough shooters as is. We need someone who can dominate the paint (or try to) and get easy baskets with all the shooters drawing the defense away. Jason Kidd could work magic with that.

[rabbitproof]

Originally Posted by slowmo

Donnie just on the ticket said other teams were asking $2mil plus several future 2nd rounders for late first round picks and 2nd round picks! He said they were not going to leverage their future picks for those insane prices! he said he has never seen the type asking prices he saw last night!

F'that. Unless Shan Foster is the shizzle, we should be sitting on 2M and several future picks then. If that's the market, you don't buy or hold, you sell.

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by rabbitproof

F'that. Unless Shan Foster is the shizzle, we should be sitting on 2M and several future picks then. If that's the market, you don't buy or hold, you sell.

He meant early seconds. No one's going to give up that for a late second.

[u2sarajevo]

Originally Posted by Zki41

As a player without any regards to what the team needed, it was a good pick.

For what the team needed, it was a terrible pick. We need a young, fresh, tall center that can score offensively. Dallas has enough shooters as is. We need someone who can dominate the paint (or try to) and get easy baskets with all the shooters drawing the defense away. Jason Kidd could work magic with that.

Really? At 51, what young, fresh tall center that can score offensively was available? The 2 Centers that went in the draft after our pick are Sasha Kaun (7.1ppg) and Semih Erden (6.7ppg).

[alby]

God, please no--I don't want anymore guys named Sasha in the NBA.

[chosen_one8976]

was watchin highlights of foster in college and of antione wright...foster looks alot like wright and his numbers are very similiar, except foster shot the ball better and scored more

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by bgarrett

Dood the first thing you started off with was that "no one besides Dirk, Bass and JEt actually hit open shots!" Then you narrowed it down to timely shots. I watched the games, and while you are not sure that he hit more than a very small handfull of timely shots, Jho hit plenty of open shots, period! He wasn't Mr clutch in the 4th Qtr especially late in the season because of a lot of things, Avery hit the brakes on everything and threw the ball in to let Dirk make things happen. I don't care if his shots came form under the basket, JET's game is Shooting jumpers, Josh's game is creating, shooting and slashing!

You make it seem like a ton of times the games came down to an open jumper from outside and Dirk, bass and Jet were the only ones that kept us afloat. Without Josh, so many times they wouldn't have even been in those games. As BGmav said so many times he had to shoot contested shots and shoulder the load, so yeah sseason stats ARE MISLEADING. Don't hurt yourself jumpin back on the bandwagon when he turns it all around!

There are a bunch of open shots hit in this game alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14wICbAqX9E

I would say a lot of times games were lost because shots didn't go down and then the avalanche came crashing down. I wouldn't say they were at the buzzer, but the opportunities for momentum where there plenty of times and a jumper was taken and missed.

Plus, a lot of times without Josh, there would've been many times where they WOULD HAVE been in those games, it goes both ways. I didn't specifically say contested shots, but I did say that he took more shooting responsibilities during the first part of the year (Dirk's slump) and after the break for Dirk's injury.

Back back to my point, his timely shots were MISSED shots. They were momentum killers where he forced the situation without taking the rest of the team into account. That's why I would constantly call him a ball-stopper, it's a black hole. I mean, when people are shocked that he actually made a nice court vision play, that's not good for your reputation as a player.

Out of the 3 parts you said of Josh's game, I would say he isn't exceptional or even consistent at any of them, not a one. He is too touch and go on all 3 parts.

There won't be a bandwagon for Josh, it'll mainly be, "What the hell took you so long?" The talent is there, he is just wasting it.

And I would agree with PDub's assessment of Jet vs Josh in terms of shooting. Jet is easily the better shooter. If it's the last play and a jumper has to be taken Josh is, at best, 4th on my list.

[chosen_one8976]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

I would say a lot of times games were lost because shots didn't go down and then the avalanche came crashing down. I wouldn't say they were at the buzzer, but the opportunities for momentum where there plenty of times and a jumper was taken and missed.

Plus, a lot of times without Josh, there would've been many times where they WOULD HAVE been in those games, it goes both ways. I didn't specifically say contested shots, but I did say that he took more shooting responsibilities during the first part of the year (Dirk's slump) and after the break for Dirk's injury.

Back back to my point, his timely shots were MISSED shots. They were momentum killers where he forced the situation without taking the rest of the team into account. That's why I would constantly call him a ball-stopper, it's a black hole. I mean, when people are shocked that he actually made a nice court vision play, that's not good for your reputation as a player.

Out of the 3 parts you said of Josh's game, I would say he isn't exceptional or even consistent at any of them, not a one. He is too touch and go on all 3 parts.

There won't be a bandwagon for Josh, it'll mainly be, "What the hell took you so long?" The talent is there, he is just wasting it.

And I would agree with PDub's assessment of Jet vs Josh in terms of shooting. Jet is easily the better shooter. If it's the last play and a jumper has to be taken Josh is, at best, 4th on my list.

i agree with you...but who is the third option to take the last shot? stack or kidd, or someone else im not thinkin of? i think stack, not sure though

[ShaggyDirk]

this team needs an enema.