06-28-2015, 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson
Well he's going to be 27yrs old this year and has not missed a game in 4 years. He averaged 15rebs a game last year. When BG32 was hurt he averaged over 18rebs. We were the worst rebounding team in the NBA. The league is so PnR heavy with pace/space and versatility being so prevalent, I don't think bigs need to dominate the post anymore to be worthy of the max. It's just as important being able to guard on switches now as it is anything else. DJ checks enough of those boxes to warrant at least a good amount of excitement but thats just me.
Plus at this point getting a "name" free agent is becoming a monkey on the back situation. Every year we don't get one the more it will be talked about.
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I don't disagree on any particular point. It's just that those are all things that Tyson Chandler did pretty damn well last season, other than the "iron man" angle. It seems to me like improving in an area that was already a strength isn't going to have a wildly positive impact on the overall team results.
Don't get me wrong - I want the guy in Dallas, but what they REALLY need is a new Dirk. Jordan ain't that, tbh.
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06-28-2015, 09:22 PM
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Don't get me wrong - I want the guy in Dallas, but what they REALLY need is a new Dirk. Jordan ain't that, tbh.
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I don't think anyone around here has implied that Jordan will be the next Dirk -- just that he'll be a guy who can help lure the next Dirk.
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06-28-2015, 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Underdog
I don't think anyone around here has implied that Jordan will be the next Dirk, but rather believe he'll be a guy who can help lure the next Dirk.
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Well, due to his age and status, you might be right about that, but I think that mentality is selling TY short a little, personally.
And, based on what I've read on the entire interwebs - not just here - I'd say there's a lot of folks equating a Jordan signing with instant contention. I don't think that's in any way accurate.
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06-28-2015, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by KillerLeft
Well, due to his age and status, you might be right about that, but I think that mentality is selling TY short a little, personally.
And, based on what I've read on the entire interwebs - not just here - I'd say there's a lot of folks equating a Jordan signing with instant contention. I don't think that's in any way accurate.
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A good number of posters here would rather have Aldridge, because he is the Dirk replacement, and I think most posters here realize that contention is at least two years away.
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06-28-2015, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FreshJive
A good number of posters here would rather have Aldridge, because he is the Dirk replacement, and I think most posters here realize that contention is at least two years away.
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Ok, great - which camp are you in?
Do you think "we'll contend in 2-3 years" is how the Mavs will pitch Jordan?
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06-28-2015, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by KillerLeft
Ok, great - which camp are you in?
Do you think "we'll contend in 2-3 years" is how the Mavs will pitch Jordan?
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I would rather go Aldridge/Tyson, but Jordan would be great.
I'm sure a major part of the pitch will be to show him the plans they have to put them in contention over the course of his four year contract.
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06-28-2015, 09:46 PM
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I think we can contend if we find a consistent identity. For example, let's say we land Deandre Jordan and Pat Beverly (the two guys CP has been courting the hardest). Bev - Anderson - CP - Dirk - DJ could come together as a defensive force. At first glance scoring seems hard to come by, but I think it's realistic to think CP & DJ take significant strides with bigger roles. DJ especially, considering he won't have Blake taking up space in the lane in Dallas.
An identity is something we've lacked for a while. Let's establish it this year, and continue to think long-term and add young pieces year in and year out. It will pay off.
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06-28-2015, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by KillerLeft
Well, due to his age and status, you might be right about that, but I think that mentality is selling TY short a little, personally.
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Well, Dirk's age was a big factor in Howard choosing Harden/Houston over us, so you gotta figure that Tyson's age is too... Not that I don't love the guy, but at best you're probably only getting 2-3 productive years out of Chandler, which means you'd have to find his replacement around the same time this squad starts hitting their stride.
Better to have a core of young-ish veterans coming into their respective peaks together.
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And, based on what I've read on the entire interwebs - not just here - I'd say there's a lot of folks equating a Jordan signing with instant contention. I don't think that's in any way accurate.
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You need to stay the hell away from those crazies on Fish's site -- it's like a virtual Jonestown for Mavs fans, and everyone is drinking the Kool-Aide!
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06-28-2015, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Underdog
Well, Dirk's age was a big factor in Howard choosing Harden/Houston over us, so you gotta figure that Tyson's age is too... Not that I don't love the guy, but at best you're probably only getting 2-3 productive years out of Chandler, which means you'd have to find his replacement around the same time this squad starts hitting their stride
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This is a valid point.
I guess I just can't get past the feeling that targeting Jordan is putting the cart before the horse. Still, if he's the guy they want, I hope they get him. Scoring a name like that would certainly boost their image in the short term.
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06-28-2015, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by KillerLeft
And, based on what I've read on the entire interwebs - not just here - I'd say there's a lot of folks equating a Jordan signing with instant contention. I don't think that's in any way accurate.
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Would you mind re-posting those around here that say we'd be a contender if we got Jordan? I haven't seen it myself.
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06-28-2015, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart
Would you mind re-posting those around here that say we'd be a contender if we got Jordan? I haven't seen it myself.
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Nah, if you're saying nobody here believes that, then fine. I like reading/posting here, but not enough to re-read hundreds of posts. Seems like kind of an odd, defensive request, really. I certainly didn't mean to give offense. Just making a point.
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06-28-2015, 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by KillerLeft
I don't disagree on any particular point. It's just that those are all things that Tyson Chandler did pretty damn well last season, other than the "iron man" angle. It seems to me like improving in an area that was already a strength isn't going to have a wildly positive impact on the overall team results.
Don't get me wrong - I want the guy in Dallas, but what they REALLY need is a new Dirk. Jordan ain't that, tbh.
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Getting someone like Danny Green and Deandre Jordan really puts us in a nice position next off season of coming away with a big fish. Not to mention I feel like the synergy going forward is really there. Parsons as the utility guy (15-20 points a night, 5 rebounds, 3-4 assists), Deandre for your defensive anchor/board hog, and Green for the range and perimeter defense. That group is just waiting on a #1 scorer imo.
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06-28-2015, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g
Getting someone like Danny Green and Deandre Jordan really puts us in a nice position next off season of coming away with a big fish. Not to mention I feel like the synergy going forward is really there. Parsons as the utility guy (15-20 points a night, 5 rebounds, 3-4 assists), Deandre for your defensive anchor/board hog, and Green for the range and perimeter defense. That group is just waiting on a #1 scorer imo.
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Maybe, but I still think that #1 scorer is the hardest thing to get, by far. Seems to me like they're avoiding hitting rock bottom, and I'm not sure that's the best course, tbh.
Now, if they get Aldridge AND Jordan, or even just Aldridge and re-sign TY...different conversation.
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