Official 2011 Dallas Cowboys Season Thread - Page 3 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Male30Dan · 09-28-2011, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Oh...oh, oh, oh, ohhhhh...because Peyton Manning is always jerk-off material for you?

Is that what you've got, Dan? That if it isn't Manning, it certainly isn't worthy! Is that the deal?

Yes, that is it. Have my TP and Lotion now... Damn it, if ONLY HIS NECK WASN'T HURT!!!

Dude, move on. You just said that having THE BEST QB IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME would make the Cowboys just as good as they are now with Romo. How do we proceed from here without me calling you names similar to those I reserve for the intellect of our favorite football team? Move on.

chumdawg · 09-28-2011, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Male30Dan

Yes, that is it. Have my TP and Lotion now... Damn it, if ONLY HIS NECK WASN'T HURT!!!

Dude, move on. You just said that having THE BEST QB IN THE HISTORY OF THE GAME would make the Cowboys just as good as they are now with Romo. How do we proceed from here without me calling you names similar to those I reserve for the intellect of our favorite football team? Move on.

The best QB in the history of the game? Really? He (and his coach Tony Dungy, I would remind you) pretty much delivered crap. They are both losers...under your criteria, and under most, I am sure.

Certainly nothing like a Montana or an Aikman or a Bradshaw or even a Favre or a Young or a Staubach.

Best in the history...giggle. Go on believing that...with one title in like more than ten years. Yeah...that's salty.

dalmations202 · 09-29-2011, 10:24 AM

IMO
Romo is in the Steve Young, Brett Farve mold.

I tend to prefer the Brady, Aikman, Marino, Peyton Manning mold.

Both will work........one style just seems to work more consistently.

I am not saying Romo doesn't have the talent -- I think he does. Much like Brett Farve, I think the minor mistakes kill him though in the big games. In my opinion, this is why Donovan McNabb, and Randall Cunningham don't have rings right now, but the Trent Dilfers and Mark Rypiens do.

Male30Dan · 09-29-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

IMO
Romo is in the Steve Young, Brett Farve mold.

I tend to prefer the Brady, Aikman, Marino, Peyton Manning mold.

Both will work........one style just seems to work more consistently.

I am not saying Romo doesn't have the talent -- I think he does. Much like Brett Farve, I think the huge and completely avoidable (were he to lose some of his dumb) mistakes kill him though in the big games. In my opinion, this is why Donovan McNabb, and Randall Cunningham don't have rings right now, but the Trent Dilfers and Mark Rypiens do.

There... Fixed...

Agree with everything else though. My sentiments exactly, which is why the thought that a more consistent and intelligent (while roughly equally talented physically) QB like Peyton would do nothing at all for the Cowboys over where we are with Romo is just asinine. My previous hope was that Romo morphs into that type of a QB and learns enough from his mistakes to avoid them in the future - and maybe he does that eventually. That said, I don't see it happening which is why I took the stance I did.

mcsluggo · 09-29-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by dalmations202

IMO
Romo is in the Steve Young, Brett Farve mold.

I tend to prefer the Brady, Aikman, Marino, Peyton Manning mold.

Both will work........one style just seems to work more consistently.

I am not saying Romo doesn't have the talent -- I think he does. Much like Brett Farve, I think the minor mistakes kill him though in the big games. In my opinion, this is why Donovan McNabb, and Randall Cunningham don't have rings right now, but the Trent Dilfers and Mark Rypiens do.

i do not understand your "molds" at all.... (ie your groupings)

to me Aikmen, Dilfer (in the end, when he settled down with the ravens) and Rypien are the most similar (good arms, and will never kill you with mistakes but need a full berlin wall in front of them to really be effective because they just aren't mobile enough) although he was of course BETTER than the other two.. but in the same mold. But put aikmen on a "normal" team (without perhaps teh greatest Oline in the history of football, one of the greatest RBS, an alltime great wideout, a stiffling D.. etc...) and he would have been viewed as an "adequate" qb.. imho. Basically he would have been Bledsoe.

and.. also... I would probably classify Steve YOung as EASILY the greatest QB you mentioned (only Manning/brady could even make a case, but i think he is better) By the time he took over teh reigns at SF the REST of teh team had deteriorated markedly. he was behind a crappy line, had worse running backs and a worse defense... and had to carry the whole thing completely by himself. He was AWESOME. he could run when he needed to, but was smart enough to pick apart the D when they shifted to account for his legs. He had the shortest period of "prime" (other than Rypen and Dilfer.. who never reall HAD "primes") to brag on... but what he did with so little around him was simply incredible.

Male30Dan · 09-29-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mcsluggo

i do not understand your "molds" at all.... (ie your groupings)

to me Aikmen, Dilfer (in the end, when he settled down with the ravens) and Rypien are the most similar (good arms, and will never kill you with mistakes but need a full berlin wall in front of them to really be effective because they just aren't mobile enough) although he was of course BETTER than the other two.. but in the same mold. But put aikmen on a "normal" team (without perhaps teh greatest Oline in the history of football, one of the greatest RBS, an alltime great wideout, a stiffling D.. etc...) and he would have been viewed as an "adequate" qb.. imho. Basically he would have been Bledsoe.

and.. also... I would probably classify Steve YOung as EASILY the greatest QB you mentioned (only Manning/brady could even make a case, but i think he is better) By the time he took over teh reigns at SF the REST of teh team had deteriorated markedly. he was behind a crappy line, had worse running backs and a worse defense... and had to carry the whole thing completely by himself. He was AWESOME. he could run when he needed to, but was smart enough to pick apart the D when they shifted to account for his legs. He had the shortest period of "prime" (other than Rypen and Dilfer.. who never reall HAD "primes") to brag on... but what he did with so little around him was simply incredible.

To judge his molds and then compare Aikman to Bledsoe is just strange. Bledsoe was a gunslinger and Aikman was FAR from that. Seems like you are classifying based on mobility and I don't think that was Dalm's point. He was talking about the type of QB in terms of risk/reward of their playing style and how likely you would have to say something along the lines of "well, ya have to take the good with the bad with this guy."

I do think Young was really, really good though. I remember his QB rating being crazy and his completion percentage being in the 70s or just under at times. It took him forever to get his shot but he played very well when he did. To be honest, I probably forget just how good he was because I despised him so very much given the Dallas/S.F. rivalry.

mcsluggo · 10-03-2011, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Male30Dan

To judge his molds and then compare Aikman to Bledsoe is just strange. Bledsoe was a gunslinger and Aikman was FAR from that. Seems like you are classifying based on mobility and I don't think that was Dalm's point. He was talking about the type of QB in terms of risk/reward of their playing style and how likely you would have to say something along the lines of "well, ya have to take the good with the bad with this guy."

I do think Young was really, really good though. I remember his QB rating being crazy and his completion percentage being in the 70s or just under at times. It took him forever to get his shot but he played very well when he did. To be honest, I probably forget just how good he was because I despised him so very much given the Dallas/S.F. rivalry.

fair enough on the bledsoe/aikman failure of comparison... never having been a Pats nor Cowboys fan, I never really watched Bledsoe much...

but i wasn't actually trying to equate them in styles, I was just making th emobility point that you caught. Without Aikman's super line, he likely would've been a middle of the road QB. With a super line, Mark Rypien wasn't Dilfer (a QB that "didn't lose" the game for you) he was a STAR. Without a super line, Rypien was a marginal 2nd-stringer at best.

on THIS topic:::
Romo is able to do all sorts of things behind crappy O-lines that Aikman never would've been able to do. NEVER. Aikmen would've been killed. But Romo also has a hole in his brain. Chances are almost 100% that WITH a super line, Romo would still have a hole in his brain, and would've never had the calm success Aikmen had.

alexamenos · 10-03-2011, 11:32 AM

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Without Aikman's super line, he likely would've been a middle of the road QB.

I have to take exception to this....Aikman would have been a top tier quarterback in the 90's behind any offensive line.

I see this argument in many forms -- E. Smith was only E. Smith because he ran behind such a great line, Aikman was only a Aikman because he had Smith and Irvin, Irvin was only Irvin because everybody else on the team was so very good, etc., etc...

The thing is.....the ca 92-96 Cowboys were an all-time great team. They're right up there with any other team from any other era. When you're talking about this team, you're talking about all-time greatness.

The reason the 92-96 Cowboys were all-time greatness is because they had a great offensive line, and a great running back, and a very very very good defense with a great pass rusher, and very sharp special teams play, and a great quarterback. If you took the great offensive line and the great running back off those teams, they wouldn't have won three superbowls but nonetheless they would have had a great quarterback.

If you look back at the playoffs during that stretch, you'll see that the cowboys were almost always ahead going into the second half.* The same is largely true during those regular seasons. The reason they were always ahead was in very large part because Aikman was that good. He was an amazingly accurate passer who knew when to stand in the pocket and take the hit and who knew when to get rid of the ball. He made plays, time and time again. Those teams threw the ball to get a lead, and then Emmitt and the o-line took over, not the other way around.

Once Aikman crossed 30, he started slipping a bit and it was more than just the team around him. The concussions, the trophies, the crack smoking shenanigans on the team all took its toll on him, but for a significant stretch he was far better than anything Mark Rypien ever thought about being.

*Two exceptions were the second Buffalo Super Bowl when Aikman was playing with a concussion that should have kept him out of the game and the '94 NFC Championship game where a series of freak occurences had the Cowboys down by 21 a few minutes into the first quarter.

mcsluggo · 09-29-2011, 01:49 PM

Marino had the "no mobility" thing going.... but he also had the best release in the history of football. he was a category on to himself, and not really like any others.

alexamenos · 10-02-2011, 02:17 PM

Omg

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 02:18 PM

The Romo giveth and the Romo taketh away.

God he is fucking stupid.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 02:20 PM

Anyone that can put Bobby Carpenter on Sportscenter deserves, well, who knows. Don't even know how to finish that sentence it is so hard to do. Good job turning a complete blow out into a 10 point lead with two tosses of your arm. You put us way up with greatness, but as explained before, then your dumb kicked in. Just wow.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 02:21 PM

Btw... Our defense has allowed 3 points to one of the most explosive offenses in the NFL. Tony Romo has allowed 14.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 02:22 PM

One final post... Fantasy football sucks. I was skunking the dude I was playing today - of course they were using the Detroit defense. Thank you Romo.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 02:29 PM

Thank you Detroit.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 02:31 PM

Good job Tony - good job Witten. Hopefully that penalty changed this game back around.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 02:34 PM

Man. 1 missed FG this year (and oddly from 19 yards) and everything else pretty much right down the middle. Hopefully we have something special here with Bailey.

Underdog · 10-03-2011, 10:23 AM

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Man. 1 missed FG this year (and oddly from 19 yards) and everything else pretty much right down the middle. Hopefully we have something special here with Bailey.

Considering his only missed FG came on his first professional attempt, I'd chalk that one up to nerves - everything else has been perfectly up the middle. I'd say we found a winner in Bailey...

DirkFTW · 10-03-2011, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Considering his only missed FG came on his first professional attempt, I'd chalk that one up to nerves - everything else has been perfectly up the middle. I'd say we found a winner in Bailey...

You called?

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 02:35 PM

I wonder what the averages are for teams inside the 10 that FAIL to score a TD and have to resort to going for it on 4th (and unsuccessfully at that) or have to kick a FG. Odds are that we would be among the league's worst.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 02:40 PM

You can't say enough about what Tony has done to pump up Detroit's offense, which was DEAD before.

6 point game. 6 POINT GAME.

Just wow.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 02:41 PM

27-3...............................30-24.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 02:48 PM

I would love to say "truly unbelievable" but Week 1 taught me not to be so naive. If he can find a way to lose the game, he will do his best to follow that path. Once again, it follows a TREMENDOUS first half. Just can't avoid it consistently. God, if we lose this game I want to try to see someone support this abortion of a 2nd half.

chumdawg · 10-02-2011, 02:51 PM

Enough with the negative energy, MaleBlackCloudDan! We are going to win this game!!!

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Enough with the negative energy, MaleBlackCloudDan! We are going to win this game!!!

IF it happens, say it with me...

IN SPITE of Romo.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 03:06 PM

Man, thank you zebras...

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 03:08 PM

Don't know that I would have declined that penalty...

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 03:09 PM

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Don't know that I would have declined that penalty...

...and the 24 point lead is now down to 3.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 03:11 PM

COME ON ROMO! LEAD US TO VICTORY BABY!

There Chum...

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 03:11 PM

Bwahahaha... F him.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 03:13 PM

Seriously - F him. F his little head down, woe is me, whoops - guess I better learn from that, faggot bs. F him.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 03:23 PM

And there it is... 27-3 becomes 34-30. This happened. This just happened. Can we win? Sure. We can come back with no time outs down 4. We could just as easily lose it. Either way, I say it one last time and I'm out - F Romo and F anyone (ANYONE) that tries to support him after this BS. He could start at the 1 and toss a 99 yard TD pass to Jesus himself - all the same, F him. He will NEVER lead our team to a SB victory. NEVER.

Accept it.

"Except that what?"

No, accept it.

alexamenos · 10-02-2011, 03:30 PM

That was somewhat disappointing.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 03:31 PM

Bwahahahaha... His dumbass went out of bounds on 4th and 20. Team filled with dumb. I can't do anything but laugh at this. Otherwise I am going to break my bones on very stout objects. Just sickening. The crowd deserves their money back. I deserve my 3 hours back. So do you Chum - Romo personally should mail those 3 hours back to you. You open the envelope and POOF, 3 hours earlier.

So, as I previously suggested, support him... Try... Please...

GO!

Ninkobei · 10-02-2011, 03:32 PM

*grabs popcorn for norm's show* this should be great.

Maringa · 10-02-2011, 03:33 PM

Wow....all I can say is wow!!!! I wonder if this is the final straw...Romo's injury had nothing to do with today's performance...That guy's brain is just too small....

alexamenos · 10-02-2011, 03:33 PM

Fake Jerry in the musers should be a blast tomorrow.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 03:34 PM

Detroit scored 21 points off of Tony Romo turnovers - 14 of which were actually a direct result of the very throw. How many teams can overcome that? To put that in perspective, how many teams can start off down 21 and come back and win?

Well, besides Detroit I mean...

chumdawg · 10-02-2011, 03:35 PM

Huge, huge, huge kick in the nuts.

F it all. It's just a carnival, anymore.

Male30Dan · 10-02-2011, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chumdawg

Huge, huge, huge kick in the nuts.

Fit all. It's just a carnival, anymore.

Yup...

So funny that question from Pam Oliver to Stafford btw...

"OK, what happened at half time Matthew that indicated that something like this was possible for you guys after the lifelessness that we saw really in that first half?"

"Nothing really. We were planning to be 3-1 and happy with the first quarter of the season. Then Romo decided that 2-2 felt better for Cowboy fans than 3-1. Hey Tony, thanks. We like 4-0 too."