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sefant77 · 07-03-2016, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DoYouEvenLift

Interesting, so they value Harrison Barnes more than Parsos I guess.

You cant teach health

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-03-2016, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Apparently there was never going to be a max offer, the Mavs valued him in the 16-18 range.

This is most concerning aspect of the current FO thinking. I don't think it's that they won't give out long term contracts...they just won't give out long term contracts to players who they don't view as worth it. It's actually very pompous and leaves you with nothing when you grossly misread the market.

yahyes · 07-03-2016, 07:37 PM

I'm really starting to think Durant is going to the warriors.

Underdog · 07-03-2016, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

I'm really starting to think Durant is going to the warriors.

@espn_macmahon: Kevin Durant will wait until tomorrow to decide whether Harrison Barnes will be highest-paid player in Mavs history.

yahyes · 07-03-2016, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

@espn_macmahon: Kevin Durant will wait until tomorrow to decide whether Harrison Barnes will be highest-paid player in Mavs history.

Yeah and it's down between the warriors or thunder. So the thunder missed out on Horford. Traded away Ibaka thinking they'll get Horford. Now down to Kanter starting at PF? It's looking like Durant is serious about going to golden state for sure. Unless thunder make some crazy trade for Griffin or something..

Bryan_Wilson · 07-03-2016, 08:25 PM

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West spoke to Durant from the perspective of an all-time great player who kept falling short of winning an NBA championship. Although West won a title with the Los Angeles Lakers in 1972, he lost in his first seven trips to the NBA Finals and finished 1-8 in the Finals overall. West, 78, told Durant those losses still eat at him to this day, according to sources.

West also told Durant that playing alongside the Warriors' star trio of Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson and Draymond Green would make it much easier on him. West opined that in Oklahoma City, most of Durant's shot attempts are difficult and contested. He told Durant, a career 27.4 point scorer, that his points would come much easier in Golden State and suggested it would take fewer shots to score the same amount of points.

Finally, West pointed out to Durant how he believes his overall game is overlooked in Oklahoma City. Although Durant is known as one of the greatest scorers of all time, he does not receive much credit for his rebounding -- he led the Thunder with 8.2 boards per game last season -- or defense.

West said that if Durant goes to a team with other great scorers and wins championships, the other parts of his game will receive recognition, and he'll be known as a great all-around player rather than just a great scorer.

I mean I'm sold, it's not some cool animation, but the Logo is no joke.

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https://twitter.com/warriorsworld/st...062528/photo/1

Underdog · 07-03-2016, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

I mean I'm sold, it's not some cool animation, but the Logo is no joke.

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https://twitter.com/warriorsworld/st...062528/photo/1

I have no idea who put this together, but I always felt like Cuban hoisting the Larry O'Brien was a complete misstep and worked against Howard's ego... Dwight wanted that glory for himself, not his employer.

mac222b · 07-03-2016, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I have no idea who put this together, but I always felt like Cuban hoisting the Larry O'Brien was a complete misstep and worked against Howard's ego... Dwight wanted that glory for himself, not his employer.

Pretty sure Cubes, being the most hands on owner in the NBA, had his fingerprints all over the final cut of his little cartoon.

rimrocker · 07-03-2016, 10:07 PM

I'm wondering if the FO thinks Parsons has reached his ceiling and isn't willing to give a max deal to a player that has very little upside. Not saying I agree but maybe they saw enough of him in Carlisle's system to see he reached his peak.

Maybe they see Barnes in the same manner they viewed Parsons when they signed him. Remember everyone thought they gave him a ridiculous contract at the time.

IDK....just trying to understand the reasoning behind the decision.

purplefrog · 07-03-2016, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

Yeah and it's down between the warriors or thunder. So the thunder missed out on Horford. Traded away Ibaka thinking they'll get Horford. Now down to Kanter starting at PF? It's looking like Durant is serious about going to golden state for sure. Unless thunder make some crazy trade for Griffin or something..

I'm still seeing reports that the Celtics and Heat are in contention.

DoYouEvenLift · 07-03-2016, 11:15 PM

Warriors according to this twitter account are close to signing Jamal Crawford, are they out? (if it can be trusted, seems legit though)

https://twitter.com/nbadraftblog

BPo001 · 07-03-2016, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DoYouEvenLift

Warriors according to this twitter account are close to signing Jamal Crawford, are they out? (if it can be trusted, seems legit though)

https://twitter.com/nbadraftblog

Crawford already agreed to return to the Clippers.

dongtouch · 07-03-2016, 11:20 PM

I too am on the same boat as those who believe Barnes is equal, if not a little less than, what Parsons in terms of skills and value to his team.
I can only think of 2 reasons they are going after Barnes instead of keeping Parsons at the same price:
1) As everyone has said, Parsons' knee issues. They may view Barnes as having more potential as he's younger, and even though he's coming off a poor finals performance, he's still capable of improving, a la James Harden after his no-show in 2012 Finals.
2) This I think is more likely. The Mavs let Parsons go thinking they can get either Whiteside or Conley. When this fails, and the FA market dries up, they want to avoid the embarrassment of being empty handed and go after Barnes, despite saying they don't overpay for mediocrity.

Barnes to me is more like Jeff Green than James Harden. He doesn't have the personality nor the skillset to be a franchise player. I'd still be happy to have him but don't expect major contribution. I would like Dirk to retire as a Mav so if it means putting up a few more years as a mediocre team and delaying the rebuilding process, I think it's worth it. As a Dirk fan, I don't want to see him like Patrick Ewing in Seattle, Olajuwon in Toronto or even Paul Piece in LAC.

I'm happy with DWill and Powell back at bargain price in today's FA market. I'm also hoping for Tyson Chandler to be able to come back and make another run at the playoffs. Assuming Durant goes to GSW and Barnes comes, that means OKC is taking a major step back. Houston is also taking a step back without DHoward. Everyone else is improving, including Utah and NOP. It's not out of the question that next season will be all bad if somehow Mavs get a lineup of DWill/Wes/Barnes/Dirk/Chandler with JA off the bench. Hopefully Bledsoe too but who knows.

DoYouEvenLift · 07-03-2016, 11:20 PM

Nevermind, accidently posted an old (24 hours ago) rumor.

Underdog · 07-03-2016, 11:22 PM

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Premature

Dan Woike ✔ @DanWoikeSports
Jamal Crawford hasn't agreed to a deal with the Golden State Warriors but there is mutual interest, per a source.
10:49 PM - 2 Jul 2016 · The Crossings, FL, United States
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That's yesterday's rumors... Today:

@ShamsCharania: Jamal Crawford has agreed to a three-year, $42M deal to return to the Clippers, league sources tell The Vertical.

Dtownsfinest · 07-04-2016, 01:38 AM

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Me too actually. Even in games where Parsons played well and we lost. RC would for some odd reason call him out to the media and point to his +- number. I can't recall RC doing that with really anyone else and it was not an isolated incident.

Then again I also think Tmac had a thing for Parsons as it seemed almost every question he had was about Parsons and RC probably was a little sick of the man crush. Idk.

I never understood that and that's initlally when I started to suspect that him coming back to the Mavs wasn't a forgone conclusion. Carlisle would never call anyone else out for bad games but with Parsons he made sure to do it even when eh played well.

yahyes · 07-04-2016, 03:40 AM

Now Richard Jefferson is predicting Durant is going to golden state.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-04-2016, 04:00 AM

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Now Richard Jefferson is predicting Durant is going to golden state.

Post sources. Sheesh.

GermanStandard · 07-04-2016, 10:41 AM

Durant to GSW is official.

That makes Barnes at least available.

sefant77 · 07-04-2016, 10:44 AM

Hello Mr. Barnes

I like it. it doesnt matter if we pay him 16 or 22m. At least some young players with upside longterm under contract

EricaLubarsky · 07-04-2016, 10:55 AM

Welcome to Dallas. Basically fielding the exact same squad as last year, but I think Barnes fits better. We're not going to be great, but we'll be decent.

Anyone want to do an over/under on OKC wins?

hayth.james.g · 07-04-2016, 10:55 AM

Is there anything to stop another team from poaching Barnes away now? Realistically he DOES have other suitors at this point. What's to stop him from choosing another team? Has he at any point indicated he WISHES to be a Mav?

Underdog · 07-04-2016, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Is there anything to stop another team from poaching Barnes away now?

Absolutely nothing... I don't know why everybody thinks Barnes to Dallas is a forgone conclusion -- he said has to say yes.

EricaLubarsky · 07-04-2016, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hayth.james.g

Is there anything to stop another team from poaching Barnes away now? Realistically he DOES have other suitors at this point. What's to stop him from choosing another team? Has he at any point indicated he WISHES to be a Mav?

Barnes only signs one contract and by signing it means he's okay playing for us.

Underdog · 07-04-2016, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Barnes only signs one contract and by signing it means he's okay playing for us.

But he hasn't signed anything yet... Hell, I fully expect OKC to go hard after him now.

hayth.james.g · 07-04-2016, 11:06 AM

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But he hasn't signed anything yet... Hell, I fully expect OKC to go hard after him now.

This. Look I'm not trying to be Mr. Negative....... But I fully expect Barnes to get other offers now, and based on what I have seen so far these last 5 seasons, I fully expect him to sign elsewhere.

AO41 · 07-04-2016, 11:13 AM

First thing I though was ...OKC will go fater Barnes ahrd and he would actually be a very good fit there while letting RW do his thing

RW
Oladipo
Barnes
Kanter
Adamas

looks pretty good

DoYouEvenLift · 07-04-2016, 11:15 AM

Let's get real for a second does it really make a huge difference if we don't land Harrison Barnes? We've missed out on some great players over the last 5 years but Harrison Barnes? Does he move us from contender to non-contender? No he doesn't. So I'm not going to have any emotions if some other team swoops him up. Sure he has some potential but right now with what he's shown I say he's a huge negative at 24 million per year.

16% from 3 in the Finals with wide open looks.

Melonhead · 07-04-2016, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by AO41

First thing I though was ...OKC will go fater Barnes ahrd and he would actually be a very good fit there while letting RW do his thing

RW
Oladipo
Barnes
Kanter
Adamas

looks pretty good

Would love watching RW go into his "jerk mode" and berate players on the court. Durant isnt around anymore

hayth.james.g · 07-04-2016, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by DoYouEvenLift

Let's get real for a second does it really make a huge difference if we don't land Harrison Barnes? We've missed out on some great players over the last 5 years but Harrison Barnes? Does he move us from contender to non-contender? No he doesn't. So I'm not going to have any emotions if some other team swoops him up. Sure he has some potential but right now with what he's shown I say he's a huge negative at 24 million per year.

16% from 3 in the Finals with wide open looks.

You are right. I shouldn't get emotional about this. But I am. Why? I blame MBT.

hayth.james.g · 07-04-2016, 11:18 AM

Also I have to post again just to get out of the 666 post column. Thanks for understanding.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-04-2016, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Absolutely nothing... I don't know why everybody thinks Barnes to Dallas is a forgone conclusion -- he said has to say yes.

Stein at least made it seem like he was open to accepting, but who knows. Nothing will shock me this offseason.

Bryan_Wilson · 07-04-2016, 11:23 AM

Until I see Harrison Barnes standing next to Cuban at the podium holding his Mavs jersey saying he's happy to be here, I'm just gonna assume that the Sixers, OKC, Boston, China, or even space aliens will sign him from under us.

Underdog · 07-04-2016, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Bryan_Wilson

Until I see Harrison Barnes standing next to Cuban at the podium holding his Mavs jersey saying he's happy to be here, I'm just gonna assume that the Sixers, OKC, Boston, China, or even space aliens will sign him from under us.

This.

Melonhead · 07-04-2016, 11:39 AM

See a couple folks on twitter saying if you absorb Bogut you better be getting a 1st rd pick out of that. Ambitious. Fun to dream I guess.

purplefrog · 07-04-2016, 11:39 AM

I assumed that since the Mavs announced they were going to present Barnes with an offer sheet, that they had at least a verbal commitment he would sign it. If he does not sign the sheet, then would this not be like Deandre Jordan all over again? If the Mavs had no verbal commitment then their front office is more incompetent than I thought possible.

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-04-2016, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by purplefrog

I assumed that since the Mavs announced they were going to present Barnes with an offer sheet, that they had at least a verbal commitment he would sign it. If he does not sign the sheet, then would this not be like Deandre Jordan all over again? If the Mavs had no verbal commitment then their front office is more incompetent than I thought possible.

Where was it reported that Barnes was verbally committed to signing the offer sheet? This isn't like DAJ at all until I see that. Maybe I missed it though.

yahyes · 07-04-2016, 11:44 AM

Barnes said he agreed to us already. Now we could go after Festu Ezeli or Bogut depending on if Golden state renounces them. I think Wade is really in play now coming to Dallas. I'd have him be our 6th man. If not him, then Terry would be good.

Skywalker · 07-04-2016, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

Barnes said he agreed to us already. Now we could go after Festu Ezeli or Bogut depending on if Golden state renounces them. I think Wade is really in play now coming to Dallas. I'd have him be our 6th man. If not him, then Terry would be good.

Where/when did he say that?

DevinHarriswillstart · 07-04-2016, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by yahyes

Barnes said he agreed to us already. Now we could go after Festu Ezeli or Bogut depending on if Golden state renounces them. I think Wade is really in play now coming to Dallas. I'd have him be our 6th man. If not him, then Terry would be good.

Post a source please. Why is this so hard for people to do these days?