GDT: game 24 - Mavs (16-7) "at" Pistons (10-14) 8:00pm FSSW (Played in Mexico City)

[Underdog]

Dwight Powell works really well with Luka on offense... Even grabbed 10 boards tonight... Had a nice block too.

[sefant77]

KP had a bad start, bricked everything from outside, stopped it and took it to the deck...all dunks from there. really nice to see

[sefant77]

ah and Blake Griffin looks done...no lift etc. Just bricking from outside

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Dwight Powell works really well with Luka on offense... Even grabbed 10 boards tonight... Had a nice block too.

He has looked good lately. He will look even better once KP gets going offensively. That will basically make the Mavs unstoppable.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by sefant77

KP had a bad start, bricked everything from outside, stopped it and took it to the deck...all dunks from there. really nice to see

And it goes in the face of anyone who thinks he can't play down low or take it to the basket. He absolutely and obviously can. He should play inside-out versus outside-in...at least until he starts making his jumpers more consistently.

[KillerLeft]

Originally Posted by endtroducing MASKED

Drummond got avocado in his eye and may not play. Lol

He probably shouldn't have. I've never seen a more empty stat line in my life. It was like a bad flashback of DeAndre Jordan as a Mav.

So many rebounds. So many dunks. So many slow feet and laughably pitiful defense.

[KillerLeft]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

And it goes in the face of anyone who thinks he can't play down low or take it to the basket. He absolutely and obviously can. He should play inside-out versus outside-in...at least until he starts making his jumpers more consistently.

When he has the good fortune of matching up with dinosaurs, he absolutely should!

[KillerLeft]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Dwight Powell works really well with Luka on offense... Even grabbed 10 boards tonight... Had a nice block too.

Agreed. I think he deserves much, much more credit than he gets for their offensive success. Luka has turned a corner, and while I don't want to take anything away from the young man's greatness, I swear a major factor is the space Powell affords him on those pick and rolls. He is so elite as a smart, aggressive lob threat, and his two man game with Luka is getting so nuanced that he actually changes the geometry of the game.

[Melonhead]

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Fully expect Luka to be gassed. All hands on deck for this game.

Edit: I was a little off...Luka was gassed up! 40 point triple double is mind blowing to me.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by KillerLeft

He probably shouldn't have. I've never seen a more empty stat line in my life. It was like a bad flashback of DeAndre Jordan as a Mav.

So many rebounds. So many dunks. So many slow feet and laughably pitiful defense.

I was gonna say...no thanks to getting Drummond. He is absolutely DAJ 2.0. Guys like that just don't have much of a place in this league anymore, and the Mavs don't really need easy baskets or rebounding.

[FollowedKPtodallas]

Originally Posted by sefant77

ah and Blake Griffin looks done...no lift etc. Just bricking from outside

Blake your open for a reason bro. keep shooting those threes

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by KillerLeft

He probably shouldn't have. I've never seen a more empty stat line in my life. It was like a bad flashback of DeAndre Jordan as a Mav.

So many rebounds. So many dunks. So many slow feet and laughably pitiful defense.

And this is where the alcohol kicked in . I'd take that burden off their hands

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

I was gonna say...no thanks to getting Drummond. He is absolutely DAJ 2.0. Guys like that just don't have much of a place in this league anymore, and the Mavs don't really need easy baskets or rebounding.

Ehhh DAJ was never the player Drummond is, and definitely wasn't that guy in Dallas. Luka makes a lot of people look average or overpaid when he is on it like he was last night.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Ehhh DAJ was never the player Drummond is, and definitely wasn't that guy in Dallas. Luka makes a lot of people look average or overpaid when he is on it like he was last night.

Yeah I dunno where people are getting this idea that Drummond is anything but a quality big man, especially the idea that he's a bad defensive player. He's one of the better defensive big men in the league. He's also the best rebounder in the league by a fair margin, and has a decent post-game too.

I think people are collectively a little too carried away with this notion that "traditional" centers who play in the post, don't shoot threes and don't guard 5 positions are dinosaurs and don't have a place in today's NBA. I don't buy it. There's always going to be a place for big men who play in the post and can rebound and block shots. It's just that A: the game doesn't revolve around them anymore, and B: they have to actually be good at what they do. The Erick Dampiers of the world may not have a place in today's NBA- big dudes who are just big and aren't particularly good at anything. But the Andre Drummonds, Rudy Goberts, Steven Adams's, Clint Capelas, and especially the Joel Embiids (i.e. guys are great in the post, not just good) will always have a place.

[BPo001]

Originally Posted by Underdog

KP stuffing holes as hard as he can.

[dirt_dobber]

TWTR collection:
@townbrad - Before Mavs left Dallas, I reminded Michael Finley of his 35-point, 7-rebound, 6-assist performance in Mexico City in 1997, the first regular season NBA game played here.
“Tell Luka to match that!” Finley said.
Finley text just now: “I guess Luka shut me up real quick. Lol.”

Luka Dončić just recorded his 7th triple-double in a road environment, passing Magic Johnson (6) and LeBron James (6) for most in NBA History prior to turning 22 (!).
Dončić is still 20 years old.

Luka is tied for 10th in NBA history in total 40-point triple-doubles.
The only players with more: Oscar Robertson, James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Wilt Chamberlain, LeBron James, Elgin Baylor, Larry Bird, Michael Jordan and Pete Maravich.

Seth Curry's 30 points off the bench were the most by any Maverick since Jason Terry on 1/29/12. The only other Mavs reserve with 30-plus in a game in the 2010s was Roddy B in his famous 40-pointer.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by sefant77

KP had a bad start, bricked everything from outside, stopped it and took it to the deck...all dunks from there. really nice to see

He took some awkward 3's but I liked what I saw from him too. More decisive and moved well without the ball.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by Underdog

Dwight Powell works really well with Luka on offense... Even grabbed 10 boards tonight... Had a nice block too.

He was extremely active and had some nice hustle plays. Rounded into shape post injury. Maybe he is worth the contract he got after all.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by mac222b

He was extremely active and had some nice hustle plays. Rounded into shape post injury. Maybe he is worth the contract he got after all.

Hoping this is the Powell we see for the rest of the year. He was certainly disappointing for the beginning of the season but he's starting to round into form as an ultra-efficient offensive force that keeps guys in the paint 10pts, 7reb, 1ast on almost 80% FG, 50% from three, 71% FT, and an unbelievable 81.1% TS%

And I actually think he's worth the contract. 9.3million is the new MLE. He's earning 8.4.

MLE contracts are generally for borderline stars or 6th/7th guys, which seems really fair for Powell. He's no star, but he's been a solid starter.

[Melonhead]

Anybody know where I can get a full replay of the game? Dont mind downloading if needed

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Hoping this is the Powell we see for the rest of the year. He was certainly disappointing for the beginning of the season but he's starting to round into form as an ultra-efficient offensive force that keeps guys in the paint 10pts, 7reb, 1ast on almost 80% FG, 50% from three, 71% FT, and an unbelievable 81.1% TS%

And I actually think he's worth the contract. 9.3million is the new MLE. He's earning 8.4.

MLE contracts are generally for borderline stars or 6th/7th guys, which seems really fair for Powell. He's no star, but he's been a solid starter.

I admit to being a naysayer as far as Powell is concerned, but of course am happy to be wrong! Injury, rust and acclimating to new teammates definitely should be factored into his early struggles. His post defense even seems slightly improved. Between Powell, Maxi, KP and Boban we have a nice bigs rotation, though I think we will continue to struggle somewhat against bigger traditional Center types. Though I wonder if MBT thinking is in the playoffs that is mitigated by teams just going smaller and smaller going forward.

Still miffed that LAC got Zubac from the Lakers for nothing as he's a perfect low cost banger, I think he's making like 7m per. will be interesting to see what kind of offer Harrell gets. How high are the Clippers willing to go? He will get more than Capela $, so at least $20m.

[FollowedKPtodallas]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Hoping this is the Powell we see for the rest of the year. He was certainly disappointing for the beginning of the season but he's starting to round into form as an ultra-efficient offensive force that keeps guys in the paint 10pts, 7reb, 1ast on almost 80% FG, 50% from three, 71% FT, and an unbelievable 81.1% TS%

And I actually think he's worth the contract. 9.3million is the new MLE. He's earning 8.4.

MLE contracts are generally for borderline stars or 6th/7th guys, which seems really fair for Powell. He's no star, but he's been a solid starter.

For 8 million he fits this team perfectly....he stays out of the paint so it's open for luka...and hes an excellent rim runner, and does the dirty work that doesn't show up in the box score. His fg% around the rim is crazy high. Hes excellent at making layups in traffic.

[mac222b]

Powell is actually making 10m though, not 8m. And his 3y extension kicks in next season at 11m per. Wish they could've front loaded it like Delon's (he's making 1m less in his 3rd year), but maybe that wasn't possible? The old Matt Caroll contract. Teams are always extra willing to trade for those it seems.

[EricaLubarsky]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Powell is actually making 10m though, not 8m. And his 3y extension kicks in next season at 11m per. Wish they could've front loaded it like Delon's (he's making 1m less in his 3rd year), but maybe that wasn't possible? The old Matt Caroll contract. Teams are always extra willing to trade for those it seems.

Still basically the MLE

[turin]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Hoping this is the Powell we see for the rest of the year. He was certainly disappointing for the beginning of the season but he's starting to round into form as an ultra-efficient offensive force that keeps guys in the paint 10pts, 7reb, 1ast on almost 80% FG, 50% from three, 71% FT, and an unbelievable 81.1% TS%

And I actually think he's worth the contract. 9.3million is the new MLE. He's earning 8.4.

MLE contracts are generally for borderline stars or 6th/7th guys, which seems really fair for Powell. He's no star, but he's been a solid starter.

Better keep hoping. Sample size of recent games where he has played and not completely sucked is way too small, but we're going to be stuck with him for years, so I'm right there with you hoping and praying. He has contributed so little this season that everybody is excited because he's played a couple of games in a row and sucked less. heh

I still wish we'd get rid of him and get a bigger body with more of an inside game and a physical presence in the paint. We've got the top offense in the league, so it's not like we're not scoring enough. I'd gladly sacrifice DP for a bigger body and some D. We've got other guys who can fill in for his lob dunks.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by turin

Better keep hoping. Sample size of recent games where he has played and not sucked is way too small, but we're going to be stuck with him for years, so I'm right there with you hoping and praying. He has contributed so little this season that everybody is excited because he's played a couple of games in a row and sucked less. heh

Contributed so little? That's an unfortunate take. What exactly do you expect from him? He is never going to be a star so everyone can forget those extreme expectations, but what he does he does really well. On top of that, There isnt one guy who consistently reaches his level of hustle on our team and there are probably less than a handful in the league.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by turin

Better keep hoping. Sample size of recent games where he has played and not completely sucked is way too small, but we're going to be stuck with him for years, so I'm right there with you hoping and praying. He has contributed so little this season that everybody is excited because he's played a couple of games in a row and sucked less. heh

I still wish we'd get rid of him and get a bigger body with more of an inside game and a physical presence in the paint. We've got the top offense in the league, so it's not like we're not scoring enough. I'd gladly sacrifice DP for a bigger body and some D. We've got other guys who can fill in for his lob dunks.

Idk, he is really good at that one thing. Its all about timing. And he's quicker on the roll than KP or Maxi. I would like a banger too, to deal with the Steven Adams, Gobert and especially Anthony Davis types. I think I mentioned Tristan Thompson before in this regard. He's an elite low post defender and rebounder who can also roll well and guard on the perimeter on a switch. He would be the upgrade. We just don't have many minutes available at the 5.

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Still basically the MLE

Yes basically

[mac222b]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Contributed so little? That's an unfortunate take. What exactly do you expect from him? He is never going to be a star so everyone can forget those extreme expectations, but what he does he does really well. On top of that, There isnt one guy who consistently reaches his level of hustle on our team and there are probably less than a handful in the league.

Yes he's pretty much at his ceiling. He has rebounded a little better lately. Although I'd like to see what his 3 point % looks like as the season goes on. He's at 42% but on only 14 attempts. Thats the wrinkle they can add if he can prove to be a league average 3 point shooter. Most of his looks from there are going to be wide-open.

[EricaLubarsky]

Per 36 for Powell in December
14.44 pts
8.77 rebounds (next to KP and Doncic who have been hoovering up the boards)
78.1% FG (68.6% overall)
50.0% 3pt FG (42.9% for the season)
70.6% FT (57.8% for the season)
81.1% TS% (70.6% for the season.

Offense - unbelievable. Helps us to become #1 in the league in offensive rating. He's keeping guys honest to give Doncic room and he's the perfect offensive player for the team because he puts up incredibly efficient offense without needing the ball at all.


Almost impossible to critique him on anything other than defense and rebounding, but I even think his rebounding is being suppressed by being next to KP and Doncic who are both solid rebounders. We're 5th in the league in rebounding. We're obviously doing something right when it comes to the boards when he's out there.

Only thing he really deserves criticism for is defense. He's perfectly adequate and has gotten better, but he's not a shot blocker and he's not particularly quick and doesn't have a particularly high BBIQ on defense despite playing hard.

[KillerLeft]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Yeah I dunno where people are getting this idea that Drummond is anything but a quality big man, especially the idea that he's a bad defensive player. He's one of the better defensive big men in the league. He's also the best rebounder in the league by a fair margin, and has a decent post-game too.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I got the idea he's a bad defender last night watching the Mavs systemically work against him with any weapon they could. The plan was clearly to get him switched on Luka, and when he did, Luka destroyed him. THAT is the mark of an effective NBA big now - be able to switch onto a perimeter player and at least make him uncomfortable. It's something we all learned when Tyson Chandler was here the first time.

Also, do we think it's a coincidence that KP all of a sudden got on a roll and looked 10x more confident than he has all season? He torched the dude, too. Now, KP is GREAT, but there are actually a lot of bigs now with skill who can move. I left that game feeling like he would be out of his element against most of them.

There were at least two instances in the 3rd quarter (when the Mavs broke the game open) that I can remember the Mavs scoring ridiculously easy baskets in transition just because Drummond couldn't get back on defense as fast as Powell could run the length of the court after inbounding.

So, if Drummond can't run the floor fast enough to set up defensively, can't guard talented bigs and looks like a 90's center when switched onto a perimeter handler...what, exactly, makes him a good defender?

I would take him as a 3rd center, at the minimum and use him kind of like they use Boban. Not a fan of his at any higher commitment level.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by KillerLeft

I can't speak for anyone else, but I got the idea he's a bad defender last night watching the Mavs systemically work against him with any weapon they could. The plan was clearly to get him switched on Luka, and when he did, Luka destroyed him. THAT is the mark of an effective NBA big now - be able to switch onto a perimeter player and at least make him uncomfortable. It's something we all learned when Tyson Chandler was here the first time.

Also, do we think it's a coincidence that KP all of a sudden got on a roll and looked 10x more confident than he has all season? He torched the dude, too. Now, KP is GREAT, but there are actually a lot of bigs now with skill who can move. I left that game feeling like he would be out of his element against most of them.

There were at least two instances in the 3rd quarter (when the Mavs broke the game open) that I can remember the Mavs scoring ridiculously easy baskets in transition just because Drummond couldn't get back on defense as fast as Powell could run the length of the court after inbounding.

So, if Drummond can't run the floor fast enough to set up defensively, can't guard talented bigs and looks like a 90's center when switched onto a perimeter handler...what, exactly, makes him a good defender?

I would take him as a 3rd center, at the minimum and use him kind of like they use Boban. Not a fan of his at any higher commitment level.

As SMC said, Luka makes a LOT of really good players look like chumps defensively. Drummond can run the floor as fast just about any big man outside of maybe Giannis and AD. He's in the upper echelons of the league in every defensive metric- DWS, DBPM, Drtg, defensive RAPTOR, blocks... yeah, Drummond is a very, very good defensive center. Probably top 5 in the league. And that's on top of being the best rebounder in the league by a fair margin. You can't build a team around him as your best player, but as your starting center and second or third best player? F*ck yeah, I'll take Drummond all day.

[KillerLeft]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Drummond can run the floor as fast just about any big man outside of maybe Giannis and AD.

Well, he certainly couldn't (or wouldn't, which is even worse) run anywhere near Powell's speed last night. Go rewatch that third quarter.

Hardest of Passes from me. Empty stats from a losing player.

[Thespiralgoeson]

Originally Posted by KillerLeft

Well, he certainly couldn't (or wouldn't, which is even worse) run anywhere near Powell's speed last night. Go rewatch that third quarter.

Hardest of Passes from me. Empty stats from a losing player.

You're basing a guy's entire career on one game? And no, "empty stats" is volume scoring on bad percentages. Advanced defensive analytics are not empty stats. Ever.

He ran like a gazelle for most of the game. Also, he bullied the hell out of Powell, KP, and anyone else who guarded him in the first half.You watch it again too. He got burned on the pick and roll by one of the greatest pick and roll players in history of the game (which Luka definitely is, even at this young age.) AD got torched too both times we played the Lakers, and he's probably DPOY. Luka is like Nash- running that pick and roll makes EVERY opposing big man look slow and obsolete. It doesn't help that the team around Drummond is garbage. When you're garding the pick and roll, you're only as good as your teammates, and he's stuck out there playing next to Blake Griffin and Derrick Rose, who were bad defensive players even at their peaks- which was many injuries nearly a decade ago.

[Thespiralgoeson]

If you really think Drummond is some slow lumbering dinosaur of a big man right out of the 90s, then you probably haven't watched him very much. https://youtu.be/OtN0ICgrS90?t=196 https://youtu.be/OtN0ICgrS90?t=167 He's not Rudy Gobert, but you talk about him like he's Eddy Curry. He's way closer to the top of the league defensively than he is to the bottom.

As for being a "losing player" who puts up empty stats- people tend to day that about any good player who's been on a bad team. FWIW, the Knicks never won more than 32 games with KP as their franchise player. He was a "losing player" too.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

As SMC said, Luka makes a LOT of really good players look like chumps defensively. Drummond can run the floor as fast just about any big man outside of maybe Giannis and AD. He's in the upper echelons of the league in every defensive metric- DWS, DBPM, Drtg, defensive RAPTOR, blocks... yeah, Drummond is a very, very good defensive center. Probably top 5 in the league. And that's on top of being the best rebounder in the league by a fair margin. You can't build a team around him as your best player, but as your starting center and second or third best player? F*ck yeah, I'll take Drummond all day.

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

You're basing a guy's entire career on one game? And no, "empty stats" is volume scoring on bad percentages. Advanced defensive analytics are not empty stats. Ever.

He ran like a gazelle for most of the game. Also, he bullied the hell out of Powell, KP, and anyone else who guarded him in the first half.You watch it again too. He got burned on the pick and roll by one of the greatest pick and roll players in history of the game (which Luka definitely is, even at this young age.) AD got torched too both times we played the Lakers, and he's probably DPOY. Luka is like Nash- running that pick and roll makes EVERY opposing big man look slow and obsolete. It doesn't help that the team around Drummond is garbage. When you're garding the pick and roll, you're only as good as your teammates, and he's stuck out there playing next to Blake Griffin and Derrick Rose, who were bad defensive players even at their peaks- which was many injuries nearly a decade ago.

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

If you really think Drummond is some slow lumbering dinosaur of a big man right out of the 90s, then you probably haven't watched him very much. https://youtu.be/OtN0ICgrS90?t=196 https://youtu.be/OtN0ICgrS90?t=167 He's not Rudy Gobert, but you talk about him like he's Eddy Curry. He's way closer to the top of the league defensively than he is to the bottom.

As for being a "losing player" who puts up empty stats- people tend to day that about any good player who's been on a bad team. FWIW, the Knicks never won more than 32 games with KP as their franchise player. He was a "losing player" too.

Yeah basically all of that.

[turin]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Contributed so little? That's an unfortunate take. What exactly do you expect from him? He is never going to be a star so everyone can forget those extreme expectations, but what he does he does really well. On top of that, There isnt one guy who consistently reaches his level of hustle on our team and there are probably less than a handful in the league.

Yeah, "contributed so little" is an unfortunate phrase on my part. I agree. He does contribute, but he contributes in areas where the Mavericks are already excelling offensively, and while he may be a bit better at rolling for lobs, it's not as if Maxi doesn't do that at all, and DP misses some because he doesn't have the best hands.

Defense is my biggest issue with him because that is where the Mavs are the weakest, and DP is a liability for the most part on the defensive end. Opposing guards drive the lane at will if Powell is in there without KP around as a shot blocking deterrent. I'm also not a fan of his rebounding either. He's too easily pushed out of position and doesn't put a body on his man and block out consistently, although he has improved a bit on that this year, but this goes back to sample size. For me, I need to see the rest of this season played solidly with regular contributions. I'm not asking for him to be a star, I just want him to be solid, and if he can become "adequate" on the defensive end on a regular basis, then that would have a greater impact on the Mavs' success than him scoring a few more points per game. Come playoff time, you don't advance by trading baskets with the other team. You have to have stops, and it's hard to get stops when the path to the hoop is an easy drive.

[rimrocker]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Yeah I dunno where people are getting this idea that Drummond is anything but a quality big man, especially the idea that he's a bad defensive player. He's one of the better defensive big men in the league. He's also the best rebounder in the league by a fair margin, and has a decent post-game too.

I think people are collectively a little too carried away with this notion that "traditional" centers who play in the post, don't shoot threes and don't guard 5 positions are dinosaurs and don't have a place in today's NBA. I don't buy it. There's always going to be a place for big men who play in the post and can rebound and block shots. It's just that A: the game doesn't revolve around them anymore, and B: they have to actually be good at what they do. The Erick Dampiers of the world may not have a place in today's NBA- big dudes who are just big and aren't particularly good at anything. But the Andre Drummonds, Rudy Goberts, Steven Adams's, Clint Capelas, and especially the Joel Embiids (i.e. guys are great in the post, not just good) will always have a place.

This makes good sense to me.

The big man isn’t obsolete in today’s NBA but the significance and value of that role has diminished. Big men are still a must but the percentage of cap space they take up should be directly proportional to the significance of their role.
In other words, bigs should come at discounts and if we acquire one at a premium we should receive additional assets in return.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

As for being a "losing player" who puts up empty stats- people tend to day that about any good player who's been on a bad team. FWIW, the Knicks never won more than 32 games with KP as their franchise player. He was a "losing player" too.

Come on meow. Kp is a game changing type of talent. Drummond most certainly is not.

The Capelas and Goberts have their place in this league, but they are simply more rotational cogs than absolute necessities. And what Drummond would command wouldn't be worth it, at least as far as the Mavs interest would be concerned which is all I really care about. He simply doesn't offer what we really need.

[KillerLeft]

Lots of passion about this topic - I love it.

The “empty stat” to which I was referring, less specifically than necessary, is rebounding. I think rebounding can be an insanely misleading statistic, personally. There are rebound hunters in the league who actually hurt their team on 3 out of 5 possessions just to add rebounds on the other two by not applying good team-rebounding fundamentals. It’s kind of similar to the phenomenon in football where a defensive lineman goes for a flashy sack or tackle instead of occupying blockers to keep the linebackers free.

We saw a player like this a lot for the first half of the season last year, and watching this game, I was reminded at times of that player. That’s really the only thing I meant with the DJ comparison. While I will maintain that Drummond had an overall negative impact on this game defensively, I won’t go so far as to compare him to Jordan’s barely pretending to try style of pick and roll D in Dallas last year.

It’s also true Luka/KP were amazing in this game, so good point, and that I haven’t watched Drummond a lot recently. This is the first time this year, in fact. But...idk. I see the Pistons’ record, and I see KP whoop him off the dribble like he hasn’t been able to against pretty much anyone else this year (so far) and I see causality. I could very well be wrong.