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Pure venting over spilled milk - We came out of 2020 having the 17th, 30th and 36th pick and didn't come away with ONE NBA player. Amazing and potentially a fatal flaw in the Luka era
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Old 05-27-2022, 06:29 AM   #42
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Step 1: Brunson & #26 for Mitchell Robinson & #11

Step 2: THJ, Bertans, and Kleber for Westbrook


Those are two realistic moves that address needs and give us long term flexibility while keeping us competitive in the short term. Getting a pick and roll lob threat for Doncic and an interior presence on defense is half the battle.
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Old 05-27-2022, 06:40 AM   #43
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People are going to call me insane, but I would also look into Kyrie. We are simply outmatched talent-wise, and Brunson/ SD are too limited by their streakiness and in Brunson’s case, his size. Kyrie would love it in Texas with the other anti-vaxx nutters.
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Step 1: Brunson & #26 for Mitchell Robinson & #11
According to former Nets capologist and ESPN financial guru Bobby Marks, however, such as deal is a virtual mathematical impossibility. Because both Robinson and Brunson were second-round picks in 2018 who signed minimum contracts, they will be considered base-year compensation players. An equal trade of salary money can’t be done, even if the players’ new actual wages match exactly.

Another issue is the Mavericks are so close to the hard cap even without Brunson. According to collective bargaining agreement rules, Dallas can’t go over the $157 million hard cap in a sign-and-trade and is already at $153 million without Brunson. The Mavericks would have to trade other players first.

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According to former Nets capologist and ESPN financial guru Bobby Marks, however, such as deal is a virtual mathematical impossibility. Because both Robinson and Brunson were second-round picks in 2018 who signed minimum contracts, they will be considered base-year compensation players. An equal trade of salary money can’t be done, even if the players’ new actual wages match exactly.

Another issue is the Mavericks are so close to the hard cap even without Brunson. According to collective bargaining agreement rules, Dallas can’t go over the $157 million hard cap in a sign-and-trade and is already at $153 million without Brunson. The Mavericks would have to trade other players first.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/24/mitche...ks-pipe-dream/
So what you are saying is the Mavs squandering of free agency potential in 2019 where they left dry powder on the table and the total miss on all 3 of their 2020 draft choices, this team is basically screwed in terms of a young core team building effort around Luka. It is Luka and Brunson baby all the way until Luka leaves in 4 years.
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Step 1: Brunson & #26 for Mitchell Robinson & #11

Step 2: THJ, Bertans, and Kleber for Westbrook


Those are two realistic moves that address needs and give us long term flexibility while keeping us competitive in the short term. Getting a pick and roll lob threat for Doncic and an interior presence on defense is half the battle.
Stein interviewed Cuban after the game and without exactly saying we're keeping Brunson, well, he strongly inferred it saying we can give him more money and he wants to be here.

And any idea of Westbrook on this team, no sir. no.
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Off Season wish list:

- Sign Brunson
- Get Luka to eat less and come back as Bubble-Luka but with more experience
- Add a low budget quality big guy that can get you a few boards
- find a time machine and not draft Josh Green
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So what you are saying is the Mavs squandering of free agency potential in 2019 where they left dry powder on the table and the total miss on all 3 of their 2020 draft choices, this team is basically screwed in terms of a young core team building effort around Luka. It is Luka and Brunson baby all the way until Luka leaves in 4 years.
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Just a friendly reminder that Josh Green just turned 21 in November. At age 21 Dorian Finney-Smith was still two years from signing with the Mavs as an undrafted free agent. His first two years he shot under 30% from 3 and 31% in year 3. Year 4 was his breakthrough as he climbed all the way to 37.6 from 3 and 46.6 overall.

Josh Green is a hard worker with playmaking skills already that Dodo will never have. He’ll be fine. His shooting is coming around. Can guard 1-4. Near elite to elite athleticism. Sticking with my prediction that he will be a starter here for a decade. Year after next.

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I would still trade Brunson. I know people here think I’m an idiot, but I don’t see Luka and Brunson winning a championship together, the same way Dame and CJ couldn’t get over the hump. They’re just too similar with similar deficiencies.
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Just a friendly reminder that Josh Green just turned 21 in November. At age 21 Dorian Finney-Smith was still two years from signing with the Mavs as an undrafted free agent. His first two years he shot under 30% from 3 and 31% in year 3. Year 4 was his breakthrough as he climbed all the way to 37.6 from 3 and 46.6 overall.

Josh Green is a hard worker with playmaking skills already that Dodo will never have. He’ll be fine. His shooting is coming around. Can guard 1-4. Near elite to elite athleticism. Sticking with my prediction that he will be a starter here for a decade. Year after next.
Just a friendly reminder back that lots of guys turn 21 that are athletic. Josh Green never showed anything out of the ordinary with regard to skills in college, international play etc so your assertion is speculative at best. There is really no reason other than the fact that he could do well in a decathlon to think he will ever be an above replacement level contributor in the NBA.

This snippet from Dmagazine a few months ago says it best:

The Dallas Mavericks knew the 2020 NBA Draft was big for the organization. Thanks to a trade with Golden State that ended up giving the Mavs the first choice in the second round, the team would essentially have two first-round picks (Nos. 18 and 31). Before the night was over, the Mavs would also come away with another high second-rounder (No. 36). Through a few shrewd maneuvers, the front office had created a prime opportunity to bolster its nascent core with two—maybe even three—low-cost additions.

They wouldn’t get many more chances like this. The Mavs still owed New York a pair of first-round picks from the Kristaps Porzingis trade one year earlier, and whatever room the team had under the salary cap was about to be largely swallowed up by contract extensions. They couldn’t blow it.

Less than two seasons later, it is glaringly obvious to even the most optimistic observers: they blew it. And it is killing them.
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Just a friendly reminder back that lots of guys turn 21 that are athletic. Josh Green never showed anything out of the ordinary with regard to skills in college, international play etc so your assertion is speculative at best. There is really no reason other than the fact that he could do well in a decathlon to think he will ever be an above replacement level contributor in the NBA.

This snippet from Dmagazine a few months ago says it best:

The Dallas Mavericks knew the 2020 NBA Draft was big for the organization. Thanks to a trade with Golden State that ended up giving the Mavs the first choice in the second round, the team would essentially have two first-round picks (Nos. 18 and 31). Before the night was over, the Mavs would also come away with another high second-rounder (No. 36). Through a few shrewd maneuvers, the front office had created a prime opportunity to bolster its nascent core with two—maybe even three—low-cost additions.

They wouldn’t get many more chances like this. The Mavs still owed New York a pair of first-round picks from the Kristaps Porzingis trade one year earlier, and whatever room the team had under the salary cap was about to be largely swallowed up by contract extensions. They couldn’t blow it.

Less than two seasons later, it is glaringly obvious to even the most optimistic observers: they blew it. And it is killing them.
Josh was a 5-star recruit, top 10-20 in his class. So it’s not like he’s without pedigree. He was really good in his one season at Arizona. Of course lots of guys turn 21 that are athletic. I was just using Dodo as a convenient comparison of a guy we/the Mavs could’ve easily given up on. There were literally a few regular season games we don’t win with Josh Green this season. It’s easy to forget how impressive he looked at times in what was essentially his rookie season. He’s going to be better than Saddiq Bey. He’s probably not going to be better than Maxey. I think we were planning to take Bane at 31 but Memphis jumped us. I wanted Precious in that draft. In fact, I wanted Saddiq, Precious and Maxey over Josh. But now that he’s here I’m not going hold that against him. He’s going to be a really good player.
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Hopefully Frank and Green just lock themselves in a gym this summer and shoot 3’s all day.
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Justin Kubatko: Luka Doncic in the 2022 NBA Playoffs: ✅ 31.7 PPG ✅ 9.8 RPG ✅ 6.4 APG Doncic has averaged at least 30p/5r/5a in each of the last three postseasons. The only other player in NBA history to reach those marks in at least three straight postseasons is Michael Jordan (1989-1993).

Doncic said he’s confident that the Mavs are “on a great path” to become a championship team, but he said he needs to make significant strides defensively for the team to reach those heights. “I think defense has got to be way better for me,” said Doncic, who was frequently targeted by playoff opponents. “Honestly, I think I made a huge step this year defensively, but there’s so much room for improvement. I’ve got to be way better there. I think that’s one spot that can take us to the next level.” – via Tim MacMahon @ ESPN
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I would still trade Brunson. I know people here think I’m an idiot, but I don’t see Luka and Brunson winning a championship together, the same way Dame and CJ couldn’t get over the hump. They’re just too similar with similar deficiencies.
I don't think you're an idiot, but you have to keep Brunson as an asset. And our cap situation makes a S&T pretty difficult.

If they don't work out together, then you move him by the deadline or the season after.
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Josh was a 5-star recruit, top 10-20 in his class. So it’s not like he’s without pedigree. He was really good in his one season at Arizona. Of course lots of guys turn 21 that are athletic. I was just using Dodo as a convenient comparison of a guy we/the Mavs could’ve easily given up on. There were literally a few regular season games we don’t win with Josh Green this season. It’s easy to forget how impressive he looked at times in what was essentially his rookie season. He’s going to be better than Saddiq Bey. He’s probably not going to be better than Maxey. I think we were planning to take Bane at 31 but Memphis jumped us. I wanted Precious in that draft. In fact, I wanted Saddiq, Precious and Maxey over Josh. But now that he’s here I’m not going hold that against him. He’s going to be a really good player.
But many of us who did our own "advanced" scouting knew Green was very raw. I didn't call him Justin Anderson 2.0 for nothing. Anderson was actually more polished sadly.

He isn't going to be better than Bey because Bey has a more complete game despite his shooting falling off. Green is deer in headlights and has no concept on how to pace himself in the NBA. Just be honest...Green is a bust. Maybe that changes, but I don't see it. I'd move him to get veteran type player. But Frank played better than him in the playoffs, and Frank isn't Mr. contributes all the time himself.

I think the upcoming draft will be different without Donnie and a GM that isn't asleep at the wheel. I just HOPE they don't pass on someone obvious for some long term prospect that won't play.
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I would still trade Brunson. I know people here think I’m an idiot, but I don’t see Luka and Brunson winning a championship together, the same way Dame and CJ couldn’t get over the hump. They’re just too similar with similar deficiencies.
He's a free agent right so a trade would have to be a sign and trade. Makes it more difficult. But if he happens to want to go to a team that is willing to trade us a player we happen to want, sure.
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I would still trade Brunson. I know people here think I’m an idiot, but I don’t see Luka and Brunson winning a championship together, the same way Dame and CJ couldn’t get over the hump. They’re just too similar with similar deficiencies.
Its damn near impossible to do a sign and trade. Mavs are already near the cap without Brunson, so they only option where he isnt on the team next year is to:

Let him walk, and get nothing in return, and still not have money for free agents.
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Good article by CBS sports

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/t...jalen-brunson/

Three big questions for Mavericks offseason: How to upgrade around Luka Doncic? What to do with Jalen Brunson?

1. What to do with Jalen Brunson's free agency?

Dallas could take a look at some sign-and-trade possibilities. Perhaps they take a look at Zach LaVine, who reportedly isn't a lock to return to the Chicago Bulls. If Detroit wants Brunson, maybe a sign-and-trade that would swap Brunson for Detroit Pistons forward Jerami Grant could be made possible for the Mavericks.

2. How to upgrade the frontcourt?

The Warriors out-rebounded the Mavericks by a margin of 10 over the five-game series, and the eight offensive rebounds Golden State averaged a game led to 13.8 second-chance points a night.

One big man who would immediately solve that problem is Rudy Gobert, who, per Bleacher Report, the Mavericks are interested in should he be made available through a trade this summer. The Frenchman is a three-time Defensive Player of the Year, and is among the best rim protectors in the league. Though Dallas got past him and the Jazz in the first round of the playoffs this season, it wasn't without difficulty as Gobert made life hard on Brunson and Doncic each time they tried to come into the paint.

3. How does Luka elevate his game?

After the Warriors ended the Mavericks' season, Doncic admitted that he needs to get better on defense for this team to improve, and he's not wrong. Although winning minimizes a lot of faults, Doncic was getting picked on relentlessly in the second round against the Suns.

But Doncic can't keep showing up to training camp in subpar shape and use the first two months of the regular season to get back to his ideal fitness level. Doncic making a physical leap may be the next step in elevating his game on both ends of the floor. If he's able to be quicker on his feet, it'll help Dallas push the pace on offense --
especially in transition -- and he won't get blown by every time on defense.
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This might be a fantasy lineup based on the names thrown around in the article. But I think this lineup at least gets the Mavs back to the WCF's with a great chance of winning next year.

C-Turner
PF-DFS
SF-Bullock
SG-Brogdon
PG-Luka

Obviously, you want to retain Brunson but if he prefers a bigger role and Indiana is interested because of Rick then building a package around JB, THJ and Kleber might be enough to satisfy Rick.

Turner is a stretch big and elite shot blocker, while Brogdon is a bigger combo guard than Brunson. He doesn't possess JB's ability to attack the rim but he's a very good shooter and capable ball handler.

Dinwiddie makes THJ expendable.

If you want to go conservative assuming Brunson resigns and you just go bargain shopping for a big than Mo Bamba might be the best option.

C-Bamba
PF-DFS
SF-Bullock
SG-Brunson
PG-Luka

I don't think Orlando would be interested in THJ. So, they might be willing to take Josh Green and a 1st since that fits their youth movement.
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According to Stein, Bulls guard Zach LaVine is a potential target that intrigues the Mavericks, who apparently like the idea of adding another wing slasher and scorer, particularly after seeing how effective Spencer Dinwiddie was this season alongside Doncic.

However, LaVine is a free agent this summer and it would be a challenge for the Mavs to sign-and-trade for him and re-sign Jalen Brunson, since team salary would be well beyond the projected tax apron — any club that acquires a player via sign-and-trade becomes hard-capped at the apron for the rest of that league year. If acquiring LaVine isn’t realistic, Dallas will likely pivot to other options on the wing, Stein says.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba...92efb95b7c01ea
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I think the Mavs FO knows what is what now. Nico said keeping Brunson is our priority as is rebounding and a center/rim protector. Cuban echoed the Brunson stuff.

This isn't like every other offseason where it was a grey area on what the heck was going on. The team issues are very transparent and fixable.
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I think the Mavs FO knows what is what now. Nico said keeping Brunson is our priority as is rebounding and a center/rim protector. Cuban echoed the Brunson stuff.

This isn't like every other offseason where it was a grey area on what the heck was going on. The team issues are very transparent and fixable.
Lets hope Nico can select someone at #26 that immediately bumps JG off the team ridding us of that giant albatross of the 2020 draft disaster. Get it behind us once and for all.

Let's also hope Luka finds his intermittent fasting mojo and comes into camp a ripped 230 lbs of Slovenian muscle.
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Old 05-29-2022, 08:37 PM   #64
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Do the Mavs take the best player available or a position of need in this year's draft?

Walker Kessler C Auburn
Nikola Jovic SF Mega
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Chris Braun SF Kansas
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Not sure Luka, Brunson and Dinwiddie are good enough to get us this far again without a big retooling. We could be one and done with this core
This 10000%
Mavs need to get length athleticism skill the lack of any rebounding was evident during playoffs.
Need also a low post scorer for second unit so when them bricks start raining down from 3 u can try half court game.

The clock on Luka staying continuing to tick he not gonna stay loyal like dirk did 20 years to finally see front office built the right team.

Mavs have maybe 2 or3 more seasons before Luka bolts to LA or nyc

Luka taken bunch of undrafted and second rd players and failed1st rdpicks to conference finals imagine if he has legit #2 rolling with him
Instead of #3(jalen) #4(Dinwiddie) scoring options pretending to me #2s

P.s. I live in NYC and Julius Randle is a no go if u trade with Knicks u want toppin and Mcbride those are 2 young players buried in depth chart of vets that are diamonds.

Toppin is walking double/double machine if given 30 minutes a night

Mcbride can score and beat people of dribble and create easy baskets down in paint dishing oftobigs for dunks orlauup plus the fouls created off penetration these young athletic skill players mavs need
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Step 1: Brunson & #26 for Mitchell Robinson & #11

Step 2: THJ, Bertans, and Kleber for Westbrook


Those are two realistic moves that address needs and give us long term flexibility while keeping us competitive in the short term. Getting a pick and roll lob threat for Doncic and an interior presence on defense is half the battle.
Robinson never healthy hard pass I seen him play every night here in NYC not worth the trade
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I would still trade Brunson. I know people here think I’m an idiot, but I don’t see Luka and Brunson winning a championship together, the same way Dame and CJ couldn’t get over the hump. They’re just too similar with similar deficiencies.
This is 100% correct unless Brunson agrees to come off bench as 6th man
Dinwiddie starting with Luka is way to go then Brunson off bench as Vinnie Johnson type microwave scorer when Luka sits
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One and done with this core? The only team better than us were the Warriors. I firmly believe that. And we did that with Dwight Powell at center.

Amazing that people somehow forgot we beat the best regular season team in the league in the Suns. I'm not saying don't retool, but we factually were one of the best teams.
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Do the Mavs take the best player available or a position of need in this year's draft?

Walker Kessler C Auburn
Nikola Jovic SF Mega
MarJon Beauchamp SG G League Ignite
Chris Braun SF Kansas
Terquavion Smith SG North Carolina State

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1. Jovic
2. Braun
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5. Anybody other than Kessler.
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Sources say that Dallas is determined to find the roster room to retain Theo Pinson next season, while Boban Marjanović is under contract for one more season at $3.5 million. Both are regarded as key figures in the Mavericks’ team dynamic despite their extremely limited playing time. 24 hours ago – via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com
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This is 100% correct unless Brunson agrees to come off bench as 6th man
Dinwiddie starting with Luka is way to go then Brunson off bench as Vinnie Johnson type microwave scorer when Luka sits
Absolutely. As constructed, JB is the 6th man. Dinwiddie or THJ start over him.

The problem is that if we don't pull off a SnT, that significantly weakens his value, and we're paying big money for a 6th man that we can't trade for a big piece. He has to start if we pay him, and that will never get us over the hump.

I think what's really going on is that the Mavs talk big all season/offseason about how he's their #1 priority, but they go to him privately and tell him they want to work out a trade to his preferred destination, and if they can't he walks (the more likely scenario).

THJ or Dinwiddie take his spot in the starting lineup, the other comes off the bench, and we more or less have the same squad as last year looking for an upgrade via trade.

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Step 1: Brunson & #26 for Mitchell Robinson & #11

Step 2: THJ, Bertans, and Kleber for Westbrook


Those are two realistic moves that address needs and give us long term flexibility while keeping us competitive in the short term. Getting a pick and roll lob threat for Doncic and an interior presence on defense is half the battle.
lol holy shit this is terrible
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Jason Kidd visited my store today, and I congratulated him on his success this first season as the Dallas Mavericks head coach. He was cool and took pictures with some of my co-workers. I don't like to push for photos. He was on the phone the whole time while he was in the store otherwise I would have talked to him more. Anyway, it was cool to see him in there, and he's the first NBA player I've met who is not taller than me! lmao... still, he's about my height. Justin Jackson is the NBA player I've seen the most. The others? Sam Perkins, Rolando Blackman, and Shawn Marion. I wish I could say I had met more Mavericks.
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Yall are seriously thinking THJ and SD are better players and better fit for the S5? THJ has one...one single trick and its shooting, and he is one of the streakiest shooters in the league. The jury is still out on SD. He had some good games but he hasn't proven that we are better off with him starting.

Luka is our core. Anyone else can go for an upgrade as far as I'm concerned. EspeciaTHJ and DP.
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They need to start by not being so loyal to Powell
Agree. He's not terrible, but seems a better fit as a backup. Mavs needed size inside even when KP was there...glaring hole now.

Don't know why they never used Boban to address that...they NEEDED stops and rebounds, and someone to deal with their bigs, and Boban the only one on their roster who could. Keep that in mind...who can they get that is actually better than Boban? Having another bigvsit on the bench isn't going to help.
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Not going to lie -- you using your third post since 2010 to shit on my idea made me lol.
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Yea, Brunson in the starting lineup was not the problem. I think he and Luka play very well together and would be fine if we can upgrade from Dwight freakin' Powell as the starting 5. It's difficult this year to do so, and the FO will have to get creative. But SD and THJ will be in the 2nd unit and be just fine.

I think what needs serious consideration in tweaking is the rotations. Playing Luka the entire 1st quarter and then having him sit for a long stretch in the 2nd was always weird and appeared to run him down. Sure, he can be in better shape, but I just think rotations could be a point of emphasis this offseason, especially accounting for THJ to be back. Then again, the roster could see a decent shakeup, just going off what we have now.

It would also be nice to add in some offensive wrinkles now that the defense has been brought up to speed. I get today's game, but there was too much reliance on ISO ball, whether it was Luka, Brunson, or Dinwiddie. Tough to score consistently in the playoffs if you can't (edited) run some set plays and have an efficient half court offense. Dribbling the air out of the ball and abusing PNRs cannot be a 100% of the offensive identity. It would help if our roll guy (Powell) doesn't disappear and get played off of the court.

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Sources say that Dallas is determined to find the roster room to retain Theo Pinson next season, while Boban Marjanović is under contract for one more season at $3.5 million. Both are regarded as key figures in the Mavericks’ team dynamic despite their extremely limited playing time. 24 hours ago – via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com

What is so great about Pinson? Seems like the Mavs are pretty high on him.
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Jason Kidd visited my store today, and I congratulated him on his success this first season as the Dallas Mavericks head coach. He was cool and took pictures with some of my co-workers. I don't like to push for photos. He was on the phone the whole time while he was in the store otherwise I would have talked to him more. Anyway, it was cool to see him in there, and he's the first NBA player I've met who is not taller than me! lmao... still, he's about my height. Justin Jackson is the NBA player I've seen the most. The others? Sam Perkins, Rolando Blackman, and Shawn Marion. I wish I could say I had met more Mavericks.
For context how tall are you?
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