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Old 07-11-2022, 10:19 PM   #41
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No one is hitting anything

Refs allowing all sorts of slaps and shoves which makes it ugly

At one point it was 3-30 combined shooting.

Ugh.

Harding is good. Too bad Hardy has been pretty darn bad.

Bingham with 6reb and 3 blocks in the half. That?s good?
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The discourse around Hardy is so ridiculous. Fans are setting expectations he and most rookies wouldn?t be able to reach. Let him develop over a couple seasons and Cuban should probably get another ball handler
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Yep, this is a good example of why Hardy will be polarizing. He gets as cold as he gets hot.
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0-7 and then 2-3

To be fair his teammates are crap but you?d like to see more control and maturity
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Harding has sucked Hardy?s life force

But seriously, this is just an ugly, poorly coached mess. Nothing to take away.
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Out scored by 15 since the first
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Wright can?t even hit the rim. Our second/third best player.
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Yeah, not really sure what they see in Moses Wright. Be surprised if he isn't cut.
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Making it a game

Fall is awesome but he?s so damn slow
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We?ll Hardy hits the game winner. I?ll take it.

No one question it.
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NBA refs ruining the game even in summer league
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Ha!

What an ass end to the game

Down one and Fall turns it over.
Bingham misses the shot and Hardy tries to do the highlight dunk and misses bad. Jazz hit the three
Hardy hits the three to cut it back to one
Mavs force a miss and? surprise? can?t get the board
Another ten minutes pass as the refs review two plays
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The discourse around Hardy is so ridiculous. Fans are setting expectations he and most rookies wouldn?t be able to reach. Let him develop over a couple seasons and Cuban should probably get another ball handler


This. He's 19. How many 19 years olds other than Luka ever did sh*t in the league?
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Now maybe (SMC) can see the Hield comparison to Hardy? Both will shoot whether their shot is going in or not. Maybe maturity will change that, but until then, Hardy is a guy that will both shoot himself in and out of games. Thing is that he won't stop shooting and that might piss a lot of fans off.
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Now maybe (SMC) can see the Hield comparison to Hardy? Both will shoot whether their shot is going in or not. Maybe maturity will change that, but until then, Hardy is a guy that will both shoot himself in and out of games. Thing is that he won't stop shooting and that might piss a lot of fans off.
Don?t we already have one of those guys in THJ?
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Don?t we already have one of those guys in THJ?
Tim can't handle the ball though. He relies almost completely on Luka setting him up for shots.

And I'm all for moving Tim if he had any trade value.
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This. He's 19. How many 19 years olds other than Luka ever did sh*t in the league?
List of 19 year olds who ever did shit in the league other than Luka.

1. Lebron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Kyrie Irving

That's pretty much the entire list. Including Luka, that's five players total and all of them are first ballot future hall of famers, all of them all-time great prospects coming into their respective drafts. Nobody drafted lower than #3.

So yeah... we probably should not get too carried away expecting him to be a rookie phenom.

And I've mentioned this before but it's worth mention again- Hardy is not only coming right out of high school, but even for high school player, he's historically inexperienced because he missed his entire senior year because of the pandemic. The kid is very talented, but he is definitely very raw.
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Now maybe (SMC) can see the Hield comparison to Hardy? Both will shoot whether their shot is going in or not. Maybe maturity will change that, but until then, Hardy is a guy that will both shoot himself in and out of games. Thing is that he won't stop shooting and that might piss a lot of fans off.
I just don't see this kid contributing next year.

Maybe he develops down the road but next year IMO is unrealistic for him.

I will piggy back though on what you said....

Dude seems like a volume shooter much like THJ. He's not going to stop shooting regardless and that could be both a good and bad thing tbh.

But you can see why he shot so terrible with Ignite
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I just don't see this kid contributing next year.

Maybe he develops down the road but next year IMO is unrealistic for him.

I will piggy back though on what you said....

Dude seems like a volume shooter much like THJ. He's not going to stop shooting regardless and that could be both a good and bad thing tbh.

But you can see why he shot so terrible with Ignite
Well they need to fine tune his scoring if they want him to contribute sooner versus later. I feel like forcing him to be a pg/playmaker at this point is the wrong route. That's what they did with the ignite. Tune what he does best first, and then do the playmaking/defense/rebounding etc.
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Now maybe (SMC) can see the Hield comparison to Hardy? Both will shoot whether their shot is going in or not. Maybe maturity will change that, but until then, Hardy is a guy that will both shoot himself in and out of games. Thing is that he won't stop shooting and that might piss a lot of fans off.
The comparison isn't there for me because he has better handles already, can shift in and out of traffic, has more body control and attacks the paint. Hield is THJ comp. Hardy doesn't fit that IMO regardless if he had an off shooting night.

Idk when he will earn consistent rotation mins but he has a lot more potential than JGreen.
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The comparison isn't there for me because he has better handles already, can shift in and out of traffic, has more body control and attacks the paint. Hield is THJ comp. Hardy doesn't fit that IMO regardless if he had an off shooting night.

Idk when he will earn consistent rotation mins but he has a lot more potential than JGreen.
Hield averaged 4.8 assists per game for the Pacers. He really isn't that bad of a handler/playmaker. Much better than THJ. He can also drive to the basket when he feels like it. I think Hardy has a higher potential for slashing though.

Still, both are high volume scorers, handling or not. Hardy just proved going 4-15 that he is exactly like Hield in that aspect. He will go 9-18 one night and 4-15 the next. That will create haters because that's what a volume scorer is.
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List of 19 year olds who ever did shit in the league other than Luka.

1. Lebron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Kyrie Irving

That's pretty much the entire list. Including Luka, that's five players total and all of them are first ballot future hall of famers, all of them all-time great prospects coming into their respective drafts. Nobody drafted lower than #3.
Jalen Green was pretty good last year and so was Josh Giddey


Here's a list of some of the best all time

https://hoopshype.com/2020/04/03/top...s-nba-history/
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Hield averaged 4.8 assists per game for the Pacers. He really isn't that bad of a handler/playmaker. Much better than THJ. He can also drive to the basket when he feels like it. I think Hardy has a higher potential for slashing though.

Still, both are high volume scorers, handling or not. Hardy just proved going 4-15 that he is exactly like Hield in that aspect. He will go 9-18 one night and 4-15 the next. That will create haters because that's what a volume scorer is.
I feel like that 4.8 apg for Indy for 26 games was an anomaly. Or at best he has a better suited system with better options for him distribution. Or maybe that's just who he is now and Sacramento was slowing him down. I just don't view him as a break a guy down and score on them on the attack.

I don't think Hardy has proven anything tbh. It's 2 games in at Summer League. There's really no shortage of players who are going to shoot hot one night and not so then next. That includes some really good players. He very well may end up having high volume shooter tendencies but that's going to take a cpl seasons to pan out, right? Maybe we know a lot more by mid season if he's actually getting enough minutes to really judge.

I give THJ hate because he appears to refuse to attack the basket. But really he just doesn't have the knack to break anyone down and get to the rim. Hes only tolerable from the bench, because he can take a lot of perimeter jumpers and not hurt us too much...and he can't play defense.
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That is exactly the list I was working off of.
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Hardy is nothing more than a project.

If we?re honestly going into the season with the expectation that he?s going to be a major contributor then were in deep shit.
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Hardy is nothing more than a project.

If we?re honestly going into the season with the expectation that he?s going to be a major contributor then were in deep shit.
I must have missed anyone saying he will or should be a major contributor next season. I think he should be given some mins to see what he can do in real NBA situations, but agree that relying on him is a stretch.
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Hardy is probably looking at a full season with the Legends, which is 100% fine. But we NEED another contributor who can play 15-20 minutes and score 10 ppg.
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I must have missed anyone saying he will or should be a major contributor next season. I think he should be given some mins to see what he can do in real NBA situations, but agree that relying on him is a stretch.
Maybe not on this site but they have a social media site called Mavsfans4life and boy oh boy they had this kid as the next coming of Jordan after that 1st summer league game.

I thought it crazy reading some of those reply's after his 1st scrimmage game which is basically SL IMO.
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Hardy is probably looking at a full season with the Legends, which is 100% fine. But we NEED another contributor who can play 15-20 minutes and score 10 ppg.
100% agree with this post
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This. He's 19. How many 19 years olds other than Luka ever did sh*t in the league?
Agree with the sentiment, but I think Hardy is 20.
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Agree with the sentiment, but I think Hardy is 20.
As of 8 days ago

Still VERY young and with an absolute garbage summer league roster

I?d bet with some of Lukas gravity, he could at least hit a few open shots for us this season.
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List of 19 year olds who ever did shit in the league other than Luka.

1. Lebron James
2. Kevin Durant
3. Carmelo Anthony
4. Kyrie Irving

That's pretty much the entire list. Including Luka, that's five players total and all of them are first ballot future hall of famers, all of them all-time great prospects coming into their respective drafts. Nobody drafted lower than #3.

So yeah... we probably should not get too carried away expecting him to be a rookie phenom.

And I've mentioned this before but it's worth mention again- Hardy is not only coming right out of high school, but even for high school player, he's historically inexperienced because he missed his entire senior year because of the pandemic. The kid is very talented, but he is definitely very raw.
Well there's been other 19 year olds be contributors though. Hardy is a raw player. I think people want to gauge him like he's a top pick in the draft. He was a 2nd round pick. He should be held to 2nd round pick standards IMO.
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Well there's been other 19 year olds be contributors though.
Yes I know that. I was talking about guys who played at close to Luka's level.
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Luka has one of the highest BBIQs of all time which is where Hardy severely lacks. That's the only major concern I have long term regardless of these silly summer league games.
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Yes I know that. I was talking about guys who played at close to Luka's level.
OH I must've missed that part I thought you were just listing guys who came right in and contribute. Guys have done it. THe problem i'm seeing from him is he doesn't do anything exceptionally well. The good ones come in and at least come in solidifying a role for themselves whether its attacking the basket, dribbles, passing, rebounding or defense.....his game is scoring and in the NBA that's inconsistent starting out.
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Luka has one of the highest BBIQs of all time which is where Hardy severely lacks. That's the only major concern I have long term regardless of these silly summer league games.
I don't know where Luka ranks all time but I do know coming into the league hew was more advanced than anyone. Way ahead of the curve there. Lebron was too. That's definitely not the bar for guys coming into the league but like you said based on what i've seen he simply doesn't have ANY. I'm wondering how he did even as well as he did in the G League.

Maybe I missed the mark but I really thought the G League would help his transitioning to the NBA.
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I don't know where Luka ranks all time but I do know coming into the league hew was more advanced than anyone. Way ahead of the curve there. Lebron was too. That's definitely not the bar for guys coming into the league but like you said based on what i've seen he simply doesn't have ANY. I'm wondering how he did even as well as he did in the G League.

Maybe I missed the mark but I really thought the G League would help his transitioning to the NBA.
You haven't missed the mark yet because he hasn't played a single NBA game. SL is a disaster most times. It's much closer to pick up games at the local gym than G league games, much less NBA games.
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You haven't missed the mark yet because he hasn't played a single NBA game. SL is a disaster most times. It's much closer to pick up games at the local gym than G league games, much less NBA games.
I've watched a lot of summer league this year. Its too early to judge someone but his jumper is broke. I did not expect that. I can forgive piss poor play or bad passes....its alarming how bad his shot selection and jumper is right now. But I admit I got too far of myself with him. I thought he could contribute 10-15 minutes a night this year. Probably not fair to him because ultimately he was a 2nd rounder. 2nd rounders are lucky to even make a team.

That's one thing about pickup games though...the jumper will fall.
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