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EricaLubarsky · 01-31-2018, 05:35 PM

Huh. I'll have to check him out. I just keep seeing reports that he's raw and gets compared to Dalembert. I've only been able to watch 15-20 NCAA games this year and none of them have been Texas

Magnum_3_Ball · 01-31-2018, 05:38 PM

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Huh. I'll have to check him out. I just keep seeing reports that he's raw and gets compared to Dalembert. I've only been able to watch 15-20 NCAA games this year and none of them have been Texas

He's nothing like Dalembert. Dalembert was slow-footed, with questionable lateral movement. Bamba is an athlete who can practically jump out of the gym. He's much more coordinated than Dalembert ever was.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a Longhorns' fan. Have a lot of family that went there. However, I feel like a lot of posters here overrate Bamba because he plays for UT. If he played for Rutgers, I doubt there'd be as much support for him.

saclare · 01-31-2018, 05:59 PM

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He's nothing like Dalembert. Dalembert was slow-footed, with questionable lateral movement. Bamba is an athlete who can practically jump out of the gym. He's much more coordinated than Dalembert ever was.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a Longhorns' fan. Have a lot of family that went there. However, I feel like a lot of posters here overrate Bamba because he plays for UT. If he played for Rutgers, I doubt there'd be as much support for him.

Going to UT would be more of a negative for Bamba for me, but I choose to look at prospects solely on what they can do for the Mavs. Fro that reason, Bamba > Young and it's not close for me, despite their relative tier ranking in this draft overall.

saclare · 01-31-2018, 06:01 PM

Also, not sure many people, if anyone, is saying we are one player away from playoffs, especially if that one player is a rookie.

Pretty sure everyone knows this is a rebuild. However, given the current landscape and probable pieces returning, plus FA signings (read, plural - not banking on big fish), and this team is right there competing for seeding, albeit more for the 8th seed.

The Utah team you reference is in the same exact place as the Mavs.

mac222b · 01-31-2018, 08:03 PM

I think Bamba is the most freakish confluence of measurables/athleticism/skills to emerge since Greek Freak. Even more so than Ayton. What’s most impressive is that he can already put the ball on the floor some, move laterally and shoot decently. No reason he can’t add post game which with a nice mid range game which combined with a decent handle and first step could make him so tough to guard. Ayton is obviously way more polished offensively and has great vertical explosion and has nice offensive footwork but is nowhere near the defender or even rebounder Bamba is.

Would be tough to pass on Ayton because he does have some Dream(Olajuwon) in him.

Magnum_3_Ball · 01-31-2018, 08:47 PM

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I think Bamba is the most freakish confluence of measurables/athleticism/skills to emerge since Greek Freak. Even more so than Ayton. What’s most impressive is that he can already put the ball on the floor some, move laterally and shoot decently. No reason he can’t add post game which with a nice mid range game which combined with a decent handle and first step could make him so tough to guard. Ayton is obviously way more polished offensively and has great vertical explosion and has nice offensive footwork but is nowhere near the defender or even rebounder Bamba is.

Would be tough to pass on Ayton because he does have some Dream(Olajuwon) in him.

Have you seen Bamba shoot a basketball?

His form needs a lot of work. He's 6-9 or 7-0 (depending on who you believe), and yet his release point is lower than guys who are 6-6. He shoots lasers at the rim, not high-arcing rainbows, like all good shooters shoot. Granted he does seem to have some touch, and maybe even feel for his jumper, so I'm encouraged. But to say he has a good jump shot or even shoot decently is misleading, imo. The only reason he gets away with such a low release point and shooting line drives at the basket, is because he primarily faces players who are several inches shorter than he is. When he gets to the league that's going to be a problem for him.

Underdog · 01-31-2018, 10:34 PM

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Have you seen Bamba shoot a basketball?

His form needs a lot of work. He's 6-9 or 7-0 (depending on who you believe), and yet his release point is lower than guys who are 6-6. He shoots lasers at the rim, not high-arcing rainbows, like all good shooters shoot. Granted he does seem to have some touch, and maybe even feel for his jumper, so I'm encouraged. But to say he has a good jump shot or even shoot decently is misleading, imo. The only reason he gets away with such a low release point and shooting line drives at the basket, is because he primarily faces players who are several inches shorter than he is. When he gets to the league that's going to be a problem for him.

Bamba is definitely a true 7-footer, you can tell just by looking at him next to other guys... And thank for that, because like you said, it's the only way he can get buckets with such a flat shot. But I also agree that despite the lack of arc, he does seem to have a soft touch.... And from what I've heard he's very coachable, so his shot could probably be fixed over time.

Magnum_3_Ball · 01-31-2018, 08:51 PM

Wow! ORL is up by 20, 101-81, vs LAL going into the 4th qtr. Back-to-back for ORL too & still no Aaron Gordon. This would be a nice surprise W for ORL to be saddled with.

Things get so sexy if the Mavericks can lose tonight!!

Magnum_3_Ball · 01-31-2018, 09:16 PM

Wow! MEM did a great job of giving that game away late in the 4th qtr to IND. They were up 101-100 with 36 seconds left. They foul Myles Turner. He hits both free throws & then Gasol misses an 11 foot jumper, Selden gets the rebound but his layup attempt is blocked at the buzzer. Sigh. Really thought MEM was gonna pull that one out.

EricaLubarsky · 01-31-2018, 09:34 PM

Magic looking hot

Underdog · 01-31-2018, 10:37 PM

@NickNeppach: With nine regular season games, plus the post season to go, Mo Bamba just blocked his 93rd shot of the season. That breaks the record for blocks in a season at Texas. Bamba has five blocks tonight against Texas Tech.

Magnum_3_Ball · 01-31-2018, 11:38 PM

Bamba returned to the game, but he had to leave with a foot injury. I'd like to see a replay of it. On the broadcast they say he had to leave the court & go back to the locker room to be examined in the previous game. Something to keep an eye on.

Underdog · 01-31-2018, 11:42 PM

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Bamba returned to the game, but he had to leave with a foot injury. I'd like to see a replay of it. On the broadcast they say he had to leave the court & go back to the locker room to be examined in the previous game. Something to keep an eye on.

Could be something that comes up again, could be a sign of toughness if he overcomes it (which would alleviate a bit of concern I have about his skinny frame).

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-01-2018, 03:52 AM

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Could be something that comes up again, could be a sign of toughness if he overcomes it (which would alleviate a bit of concern I have about his skinny frame).

5th video down, left-hand column shows the injury scare Bamba had that I was talking about.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...meId=400989264

Man seeing him laying on the ground with those toothpick legs in the air. This kid is going to need time to fill out and physically develop. Time in the weight room too. Say Mavs are drafting 6th, and take Bamba as the best BPA/need player on the board. We're right back in the lottery next year too (not necessarily a bad thing) because Bamba isn't ready to handle the physicality of the NBA right now. In that respect, Bamba and Ayton are light years apart. Actually, in that respect Ayton and every other big man Bagley III, Jackson Jr, etc are light years apart. Bamba in particular (along with Jackson Jr) are just so gosh darn skinny.

saclare · 02-01-2018, 10:06 AM

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Bamba returned to the game, but he had to leave with a foot injury. I'd like to see a replay of it. On the broadcast they say he had to leave the court & go back to the locker room to be examined in the previous game. Something to keep an eye on.

If I recall correctly, it was a thigh contusion and he returned after getting examined. That was the previous game, did not catch the foot injury.

EricaLubarsky · 02-01-2018, 10:13 AM

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If I recall correctly, it was a thigh contusion and he returned after getting examined. That was the previous game, did not catch the foot injury.

The thigh injury was minor. He left the floor and came back in the second half to put up
25pts 15reb 4blocks

Bamba had a minor ankle/foot tweak in the Texas Tech game last night, but he walked it off and ultimately played until he fouled out. He ended up with:
12pts, 10reb, 7blocks.

As far as I can tell, the only significant injury he's had was a concussion in October.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-01-2018, 01:17 AM

I really like how this breaks down for the Mavs. They're on a 5 game losing streak. By all reports the Mavs locker room was majorly bummed out after their 2 pt loss to DEN on Matthews missed buzzer beater 3. PHX just kicked their butts, and they're on 9 day road trip.

SAC on the other hand had a 12 pt 4th qtr comeback win on the road in MIA, not to mention they just took down the Pelicans in NO, and they've won 3 of their last 4. Granted they do face Golden State the night before they play us, but Golden State might literally blow the hinges of the door, seeing has how the Kings are next up for the defending champs after losing by 30 to Utah. I could see SAC's starters/vets getting plenty of rest in the 2nd half of that game. Plus, SAC is a young team, anyways. They might even get fueled up vs the Mavs, if they get embarrassed by GSW.

If we give DAL losses @ GSW and @ HOU, then how do we get to 19 wins before the break when our only other games are @ SAC, @ LAC, vs LAL, and vs SAC?

Best case scenario we split with SAC, and split with the 2 LA teams. That only gives us 18 wins at the break. I think there's a chance this team is in a real funk, mentally & it's possible they only win 1 more game before the break.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-01-2018, 01:22 AM

Side note: ORL has some very winnable games now until the All Star break. If the Mavs can stay 18 wins or fewer, or drop both games to SAC, I think they have an excellent shot at having the 2nd worst record in the league at the break. That would have to send some sort of message to the front office.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-01-2018, 01:36 AM

Arizona crushed Washington St. Ayton very impressive (altho consider the competition spent most of his time being guarded by guys listed at 6-8/6-9).

Jaren Jackson Jr saw the floor for just 12 minutes tonight. He had 3 blocks but 4 personal fouls. He had to sit a lot of time vs Maryland on Saturday late in the 2nd half because he was sitting on 4 fouls in that game too, and when he did come in, he wound up fouling out (altho not before collecting a pivotal, very impressive block off the backboard). Nonetheless, foul concerns have me questioning his stock just a bit.

mac222b · 02-01-2018, 10:00 AM

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Arizona crushed Washington St. Ayton very impressive (altho consider the competition spent most of his time being guarded by guys listed at 6-8/6-9).

Jaren Jackson Jr saw the floor for just 12 minutes tonight. He had 3 blocks but 4 personal fouls. He had to sit a lot of time vs Maryland on Saturday late in the 2nd half because he was sitting on 4 fouls in that game too, and when he did come in, he wound up fouling out (altho not before collecting a pivotal, very impressive block off the backboard). Nonetheless, foul concerns have me questioning his stock just a bit.

Jackson Jr. is only 19 though and foul trouble is usually just a function of learning the mental part of the game. But he or Bamba are going to take a few years to get up to speed. Also, Bamba's injury was a fluke- his guy fell back into him.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-01-2018, 01:38 AM

BKN knocking off Philly and collecting their 19th win of the season shouldn't go overlooked either.

As far as Team Tank goes, this has been an amazing run, all things considered, since the upset win vs WAS

Underdog · 02-01-2018, 02:21 AM

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-01-2018, 03:41 AM

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If we can somehow drop these next 2 games with SAC before the All Star break, I think I'd actually favor us to finish with the 2nd worst record in the NBA this season.

Unfortunately, ATL is next to impossible to surpass because they don't have any young talent to bring off the bench that can possibly steal a game here or there. Those players are named John Collins and Terry Dorsey. Good luck with that.

However, we see what the Mavs are when JJ Barea and/or Devin Harris sit. This is a bad team. If... well I won't even say if anymore, WHEN we wind up with 17 or 18 wins at the All Star break, and we the 2nd or 3rd worst record in the league, the Mavs' Front Office is going to have to face reality. That's when we should start to see Motley called up, Jalen Jones added to the roster, and hopefully they give Kyle Collinsworth a contract for the rest of the season & start giving him minutes over Barea & Harris. It's when we should start to see players like Barnes & Matthews sit the second night of a back-to-back; although, Matthews is pretty bad imo. Honestly, I'd rather see him play. He's been helping our tanking efforts quite a bit lately.

You really gotta look at this record & say we haven't even tried to tank yet, and we have the most losses of any team in the NBA, tied with ATL. Only 2 teams have fewer wins than we do, ATL & ORL at 15, and we only have 16. We have the 3rd worst winning pct in the league, and we're within reach of the worst winning pct in the league, and we haven't even been trying yet.

I just heard Seth Davis talk about some of these college prospects. I'm pretty fired up!

Underdog · 02-01-2018, 09:49 AM

Can't find the source right now, but I saw someone reputable on Twitter mention that Memphis could be interested in pairing Trae Young (or Colin Sexton) with Mike Conley now that Tyreke Evans is on his way out... Not sure how well they'd fit together, but it could be one more team (in addition to Orlando) looking to take Trae off the board so we don't have to make that tough decision.

EricaLubarsky · 02-01-2018, 09:55 AM

Lottery watch - Strength of remaining schedule
8) Grizzlies +3.0 (22nd hardest schedule)
7) Nets +3.0 (13th hardest schedule)
6) Bulls +2.5 (4th hardest schedule)
5) Suns +2.0 (3rd hardest schedule)
4) Kings +1.0 (12th hardest schedule)
2) Magic === (22nd hardest schedule)
2) Mavs === (27th hardest schedule)
1) Hawks -0.5 (15th hardest schedule)

Last night was a great night to be a Mavs fan. Mavs fall into a tie for 2nd. Suns get bumped back further.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-02-2018, 07:00 PM

LAL vs BKN tonight. Somebody has to get the W. I like the revenge narrative for DeAngelo Russell. Hopefully, he has a big game tonight!

Underdog · 02-02-2018, 07:02 PM

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LAL vs BKN tonight. Somebody has to get the W. I like the revenge narrative for DeAngelo Russell. Hopefully, he has a big game tonight!

Flip a coin, don't really care who wins since they're tied... Rooting hard for SAC, PHX, ATL, CHA tonight though.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-02-2018, 07:54 PM

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Flip a coin, don't really care who wins since they're tied... Rooting hard for SAC, PHX, ATL, CHA tonight though.

I think BKN is the less talented team. They're a team who could lose more games than the Mavs without trying to tank. Every win the Nets get should be a fist pump for Mavs' fans. Granted, if the Lakers win tonight, then I'm happy about that too. But, I don't think the Lakers will lose more games than the Mavs this year. For reasons I outlined in my mega post awhile back.

Underdog · 02-02-2018, 08:06 PM

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I think BKN is the less talented team. They're a team who could lose more games than the Mavs without trying to tank. Every win the Nets get should be a fist pump for Mavs' fans. Granted, if the Lakers win tonight, then I'm happy about that too. But, I don't think the Lakers will lose more games than the Mavs this year. For reasons I outlined in my mega post awhile back.

Okay, you convinced me... Go, Nets.

sig · 02-03-2018, 01:43 AM

The thought of pairing Doncic and DSJ is really intriguing.

I think Bamba impact on defense is really impressive. He seems to have a solid offensive skillset that just needs to be developed. I'd love to see the Mavs with big who can make a living on the FT line. He had hit 17-18 FT's going into the Tech game.

I think the top 7-8 players are really close in this draft. Glad to see it looks like the Mavs will land one.

I like Bates-Diop and was hoping for him in the 2nd round but his stock seems to be rising to the 1st round.

Underdog · 02-03-2018, 01:52 AM

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I like Bates-Diop and was hoping for him in the 2nd round but his stock seems to be rising to the 1st round.

That's a guy I'd be interested in if we somehow landed a late first before the deadline... Agree that he probably won't be there in the second round.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-03-2018, 07:50 AM

nbadraft.net just updated their mock, and they have Bates-Diop going in the 2nd round, 50th overall. Although, nbadraft.net doesn't have the best reputation for accuracy from what I read.

I can't seem to find any real clips of Bates-Diop. Either of you guys have a highlight reel link for him?

Underdog · 02-03-2018, 10:45 AM

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nbadraft.net just updated their mock, and they have Bates-Diop going in the 2nd round, 50th overall. Although, nbadraft.net doesn't have the best reputation for accuracy from what I read.

I can't seem to find any real clips of Bates-Diop. Either of you guys have a highlight reel link for him?

I can't find any highlight reels, but here are the highlights from the MSU game that first caught my attention (notice his super-soft touch as most of his shots early in the game hit the front of the rim, but still end up rolling into the bucket): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA8uxrTz1Tw

Range: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGByogIfJd4

Dunk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH9ikmj_hMc

Efficiency: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEHcIrXWaUc

7'2" Wingspan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gs_xzbisH0

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-06-2018, 06:45 AM

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I can't find any highlight reels, but here are the highlights from the MSU game that first caught my attention (notice his super-soft touch as most of his shots early in the game hit the front of the rim, but still end up rolling into the bucket): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA8uxrTz1Tw

Range: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGByogIfJd4

Dunk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LH9ikmj_hMc

Efficiency: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEHcIrXWaUc

7'2" Wingspan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gs_xzbisH0

Finally got a chance to watch these. Watched the highlights vs Michigan St & vs Penn St this year too. This guy is absolutely death & taxes as a trailing player from beyond the arc on a fast break. Really stands out in the highlights. Must be his favorite shot. He loves stepping into his shot. I feel like NBA teams will scout for that, but he's tall & has length, so he can shoot over a lot of defenders; plus, if he had a guard like DSJ who can really penetrate, it would set up so well for him.

He doesn't seem very athletic, I would call him adequate. I like his activity on defense. He needs a lot of improvement there, but he's definitely an active player. He seems mentally engaged too.

Very skilled offensively. Not a great athlete again, but definitely makes the most of what he has & really has some nice 1 on 1 moves. Seems like he's a good rebounder too.

If he could somehow fall to the Mavs with their early 2nd round pick, I'd be really happy with him. Probably looking at a handful of other guys there too. Not really sure Bates-Diop falls much past 20th though. He's in store for Big Ten Player of the Year honors, but then again that didn't do much for Draymond Green & Bates-Diop does have that stress fracture in his past. Unlikely, but we can hope he's there for us in the 2nd round. I think he's NBA ready to come in score off the bench & probably can pick up the defense within a season. He seems mentally engaged & alert. I'd venture a guess he's fairly coachable.

Underdog · 02-03-2018, 02:41 PM

@MavsDraft: right now 8th in tank race is on pace for 29 wins. Mavs would have to go 13-17 the rest of the way to get the 8 seed. While I think Rick is magnificent and could do it, I don't see it.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-03-2018, 04:24 PM

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@MavsDraft: right now 8th in tank race is on pace for 29 wins. Mavs would have to go 13-17 the rest of the way to get the 8 seed. While I think Rick is magnificent and could do it, I don't see it.

Rick could absolutely go 13-17. That's not some ridiculous record or insurmountable feat by any means.

Underdog · 02-03-2018, 04:44 PM

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Rick could absolutely go 13-17. That's not some ridiculous record or insurmountable feat by any means.

When you're 16-36 it is... You're telling me we can win about the same amount of games in half the tries? With this squad? No amount of coaching can change the lack of talent on the floor. And thank goodness for that -- less chance of killing our draft position.

DevinHarriswillstart · 02-03-2018, 04:57 PM

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When you're 16-36 it is... You're telling me we can win about the same amount of games in half the tries? With this squad? No amount of coaching can change the lack of talent on the floor. And thank goodness for that -- less chance of killing our draft position.

As long as there are games, I worry.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-03-2018, 08:27 PM

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Rick could absolutely go 13-17. That's not some ridiculous record or insurmountable feat by any means.

It is with the talent on this roster.

Magnum_3_Ball · 02-03-2018, 11:04 PM

The more I watch Jaren Jackson Jr the more impressed I am with him. Tonight 10 pts 3 rebs 2 assts 7 blks 1 stl 1 trey