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CadBane · 06-05-2011, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

The formula for Barea's minutes needs to be (48 minutes) - (Kidd's Minutes). Short of overtime, this should never be strayed from. It's beyond me why you would keep him on the court when Kidd is in the game.

Exactly. Which should mean 8 or 9 minutes. Ten, MAX. Not 19. Those extra 9 minutes are HUGE.

GermanDunk · 06-05-2011, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by twelli

He didn't score very well, but his pick and roll play on the offense was very effective and he deserved to play for such a long stretch in the third.

But it is still a risk. JJ just does not fit with the Heat.

mavs777 · 06-05-2011, 10:16 PM

The Heat outplayed the Mavs.

OneLove22 · 06-05-2011, 10:16 PM

Brewer needs to play over Peja....

Peja -11 that game wtf. Dude just gets burned on D he's too old for this Miami team.

mavs777 · 06-05-2011, 10:16 PM

Mahimni's pick and roll defense btw is terrible

LonghornDub · 06-05-2011, 10:17 PM

Count me as another who doesn't understand quite why we seem to be limiting Kidd's minutes to 36 in the Finals. There's nothing after this. It's not gonna tire him out for next year (if he even is back next year) if he plays 40 or 42 instead of 36.

Unless those extra few minutes are going to kill his productivity that much, I see no reason to keep him at 36.

Murphy3 · 06-05-2011, 10:17 PM

I think they continue to go with Peja because the Mavs are a bit desperate for someone to step up and do something offensively. I can't blame Carlisle for that. The mavs are really under-manned offensively without Butler.

MaverickOutlaw · 06-05-2011, 10:18 PM

Kidd and Dirk need to play all 48 minutes.

HEAT WAVE · 06-05-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MavsFanSinceDayOne

What game were YOU watching?? I agree the Mavs got 2 calls ... maybe 3 at the most ... but they DID NOT get "almost all the questionable calls". The Heat got 2 or 3 TIMES the questionable calls that the Mavs got. And that is not that of me being a Mavs homer. It just is the truth.

you must have been watching the wrong channel. maybe an 06' replay. mavs got all the calls. heat got 2 at most. refs had me sitting on he edge of the couch, shaking my head...

Flacolaco · 06-05-2011, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

The Heat outplayed the Mavs.

False.

The Mavericks made mistakes. Too many mistakes. Unforced mistakes.

Fragism · 06-05-2011, 10:19 PM

I'd rather see Dominique Jones on the court over Peja Stojakovic.

Yes I'm over reacting.

saclare · 06-05-2011, 10:19 PM

To be honest, I think JJB could make a good asset for us this series. If they can sit him down and show him the situations in a tape session on what he should have done versus what he does, then he could start getting the ball to an open Dirk, instead of to MArion for a 3. That's one example but there were a few tonight where the possession was lost to poor decisions by JJB.

I do think though that his layups and shots will fall and that with improved decisions can help this team.

However, count me in the group for Peja seeing only situational substitutions. I like him and what he has brought to the Mavs and what he has meant to this playoff run. But, the match up with the Heat is a complete negative for Peja and his minutes could be going to Stevenson or Brewer for more productivity. Unless he is hitting his shots, he should not be in.

Another note, Beaubois is not the Mavs answer. He has been out of the mix for so long now and is not ready for this stage.

Murphy3 · 06-05-2011, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Count me as another who doesn't understand quite why we seem to be limiting Kidd's minutes to 36 in the Finals. There's nothing after this. It's not gonna tire him out for next year (if he even is back next year) if he plays 40 or 42 instead of 36.

Unless those extra few minutes are going to kill his productivity that much, I see no reason to keep him at 36.

In all honesty, I think you try and make things a little easier offensively on Dirk.. They're just trying to find someone that can step up and help out. JJB should have a good offensive series against this team, but he's not finishing at the rim and not hitting enough open jumpers. Carlisle is going with the options that he sees as best because the team really is a bit short handed offensively. When it doesn't work, it looks bad. If Barea would have hit a wide open layup and one more of his wide open threes, I suppose things would have worked out better. But again, he's one of the only guys that can get to the rim besides Dirk.

twelli · 06-05-2011, 10:19 PM

The worst thing about this loss is two days hearing about the greatness of Wade.

xrobx · 06-05-2011, 10:20 PM

If butler is going to make a miracle comeback, now is the time. There is no way he could possibly play any worse than peja.

Five-ofan · 06-05-2011, 10:20 PM

The problem we have at this point is that we only have 4 players who deserve to be on the court(5 if you count stevenson). Tough to not play someone that doesnt deserve to be on the court if thats the case

nowhereman · 06-05-2011, 10:20 PM

I'd rather play 4 on 5 over having Peja on the floor.

And I'm not overreacting. The guy has been THAT miserable.

Bayliss · 06-05-2011, 10:21 PM

But is Corey Brewer really that much worse offensively than Peja?

And defensively, Brewer will be able to play onn the perimeter and rebound better.

MavsFanSinceDayOne · 06-05-2011, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

I don't think the Mavs got all the calls by any stretch of the imagination.. there were some questionable calls that went both ways. The push in the back that Kidd was called for on Wade was a call in which a ref should be fined or fired. There were missed calls both ways. Overall, I just don't have a huge problem with the way the game was officiated.

I think you are being a bit too kind to the refs in this game. I honestly believe the Heat got at least twice as many questionable calls go their way than the Mavs. For some reason people here are focusing on the few calls the Mavs got in their favor and forgetting all the calls the Heat received in THEIR favor!

saclare · 06-05-2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AngieO41

This has been our excuse every game. Mavs played like shit and we almost won. Umm, when are they NOT going to play like shit?

I'm pointing out the Heat are not as advertised and we played like garbage and lost by 2. This is the first time I have said this. So eat your words.

This is merely another way of saying the Mavs lost this game given the circumstances. The Heat did NOT win this game without Mavs mishaps. Call it the game of basketball, but you know exactly what I mean when it comes to unforced turnovers and lack of intensity during stretches of bad basketball (not spectacular by the Heat).

LonghornDub · 06-05-2011, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

In all honesty, I think you try and make things a little easier offensively on Dirk.. They're just trying to find someone that can step up and help out. JJB should have a good offensive series against this team, but he's not finishing at the rim and not hitting enough open jumpers. Carlisle is going with the options that he sees as best because the team really is a bit short handed offensively. When it doesn't work, it looks bad. If Barea would have hit a wide open layup and one more of his wide open threes, I suppose things would have worked out better. But again, he's one of the only guys that can get to the rim besides Dirk.

I'm actually more concerned about Kidd NOT being on the court than JJB being on the court. I didn't like JJB tonight, but I don't mind that Rick tries him. He does something nobody else really can on the team.

But this team just doesn't play the same with Kidd out there. I know he can't D up Wade for 40 minutes, but I feel like 40 minutes of court time isn't unreasonable.

Murphy3 · 06-05-2011, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

But is Corey Brewer really that much worse offensively than Peja?

And defensively, Brewer will be able to play onn the perimeter and rebound better.

Well, in retrospect, no.... However, I still don't have a problem with him getting some playing time going forward. The Mavs actually need the guy to knock down an open three from time to time. I'm not opposed to Brewer, but I do not blame Carlisle for making the choice to give Peja a little PT.

FINtastic · 06-05-2011, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

Mahimni's pick and roll defense btw is terrible

He's really just bad at defense. When you watch the difference between between him in Chandler, Chandler steps in cuts off drives fairly early lots of time. Mahinmi doesn't even appear in the picture until the slasher gets to the rim, and by that time he often commits a foul because he was so badly out of position and late to the play. He has way too much wasted motion on defense.

Honestly, I thought halfway through the season that he might just be better off as a 4. The more and more I see, the more convinced I am that he's really far off from getting it defensively to be a center.

And this is just a horrible defensive matchup to depend on him.

DevinHarriswillstart · 06-05-2011, 10:24 PM

Terry and Barea...ugh.

The team just has no offense outside of Dirk.

Murphy3 · 06-05-2011, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I'm actually more concerned about Kidd NOT being on the court than JJB being on the court. I didn't like JJB tonight, but I don't mind that Rick tries him. He does something nobody else really can on the team.

But this team just doesn't play the same with Kidd out there. I know he can't D up Wade for 40 minutes, but I feel like 40 minutes of court time isn't unreasonable.

Kidd has been ok offensively, but HE has even looked a little shell shocked at times with careless turnovers.

Sometimes there just isn't a good answer.

CadBane · 06-05-2011, 10:24 PM

Peja doesn't even get enough looks against this Heat defense to justify him being on the court with his shitty D.

b_o_r · 06-05-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mavs777

The Heat outplayed the Mavs.

In a nutshell. They lead 46 of the possible 48 minutes is my estimation.

MavsFanSinceDayOne · 06-05-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by twelli

The worst thing about this loss is two days hearing about the greatness of Wade.

As I mentioned in the game day thread, it is a little easier for me to accept Wade actually making a lot of shots versus that of the refs unjustly sending him to the free throw line a millions times as they did back in 2006. I'm not saying I like it, but it is easier for me to accept.

Murphy3 · 06-05-2011, 10:25 PM

And count me in on the group that would like to see Dirk get more touches earlier in the games as well.

GhostFace · 06-05-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by saclare

To be honest, I think JJB could make a good asset for us this series. If they can sit him down and show him the situations in a tape session on what he should have done versus what he does, then he could start getting the ball to an open Dirk, instead of to MArion for a 3. That's one example but there were a few tonight where the possession was lost to poor decisions by JJB.

I do think though that his layups and shots will fall and that with improved decisions can help this team.

However, count me in the group for Peja seeing only situational substitutions. I like him and what he has brought to the Mavs and what he has meant to this playoff run. But, the match up with the Heat is a complete negative for Peja and his minutes could be going to Stevenson or Brewer for more productivity. Unless he is hitting his shots, he should not be in.

Another note, Beaubois is not the Mavs answer. He has been out of the mix for so long now and is not ready for this stage.

I agree with you. I seriously thought JJB would step up in this series, but he has been horrible and has only gotten worse with the extra minutes given to him. As for Peja, I'm shocked and pissed. I really thought after finally making it to the finals he would step up. Every time the camera is on Peja, he looks down and out on the bench. Get some fucking energy dude, holy shit.

HEAT WAVE · 06-05-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Hey buddy, good to see you back. Nice insights!

i never left. i posted after we lost game 2 ,in the 3 pt thread. many of you mav fans lose and act like its the end of the world. you dont see this all over the heat forum. we lose and just say damn! maybe next game. you guys lost game 1, jet is a fraud, won. game 2,jet is a god, lost game 3, already talking bad about jet.

LonghornDub · 06-05-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Murphy3

Kidd has been ok offensively, but HE has even looked a little shell shocked at times with careless turnovers.

Sometimes there just isn't a good answer.

Well, I don't know about "good" in the absolute sense, but there's always a best answer in the relative sense. I think the best answer is to play him a bit more, rather than just 36.

MascisMan · 06-05-2011, 10:27 PM

Brewer is a MUCH better fit for this series than Peja. Peja did well against the Lakers because the Lakers are a slower half-court team. It gave him time to move and set up.

The Heat's style is basically like the Thunder (but better obviously). They have the same game. They get a lot of their points off of turnovers/transition baskets and are very athletic.

Dan1 · 06-05-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nowhereman

I'd rather play 4 on 5 over having Peja on the floor.

And I'm not overreacting. The guy has been THAT miserable.

how can he be THAT miserable when he plays 10 min combined in 2 games?

tgfan · 06-05-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

But is Corey Brewer really that much worse offensively than Peja?

And defensively, Brewer will be able to play onn the perimeter and rebound better.

We are playing some of the most athletic players in the league(in Wade, Lebron, Bosh, Haslem), and RC inserts the most unathletic player, in Peja, he could choose.

I have been calling for Brewer to get some minutes since the start of the series.

LonghornDub · 06-05-2011, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by HEAT WAVE

i never left. i posted after we lost game 2 ,in the 3 pt thread. many of you mav fans lose and act like its the end of the world. you dont see this all over the heat forum. we lose and just say damn! maybe next game. you guys lost game 1, jet is a fraud, won. game 2,jet is a god, lost game 3, already talking bad about jet.

My bad! I'll go look it up right away to see what you said. Really looking forward to it.

Thomas86 · 06-05-2011, 10:28 PM

Not trying to bash Kidd but he's now 3-10 all-time in the NBA Finals now.

saclare · 06-05-2011, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HEAT WAVE

i never left. i posted after we lost game 2 ,in the 3 pt thread. many of you mav fans lose and act like its the end of the world. you dont see this all over the heat forum. we lose and just say damn! maybe next game. you guys lost game 1, jet is a fraud, won. game 2,jet is a god, lost game 3, already talking bad about jet.

Jason Terry is not the only reason we lost but he is certainly one of them. He played well and then faded off in the second half and started chucking BS.

MascisMan · 06-05-2011, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CadBane

Peja doesn't even get enough looks against this Heat defense to justify him being on the court with his shitty D.

exactamundo. At least put someone out there that is athletic, can plays some D, and will slash to the basket (Brewer).

MascisMan · 06-05-2011, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by tgfan

We are playing some of the most athletic players in the league(in Wade, Lebron, Bosh, Haslem), and RC inserts the most unathletic player, in Peja, he could choose.

I have been calling for Brewer to get some minutes since the start of the series.

Remember, this is the same guy that thinks 36 mins is enough from Kidd.

All of these games are going to be tight. A play in the second quarter holds major relevance in the closing of the 4th quarter. Every possession is so important, which is why Kidd needs to be involved in more of them.