Dooby's last second shot fascination thread

[Dooby]

OK, I, like a lot of people, am just convinced that Nellie is not the guy to coach this team. It freakin' drives me nuts. One of my pet peaves is the following scenario:

1) facing a final possession at the end of the half or the game (under 30 seconds);
2) needing a basket to tie or take the lead (win);
3) coming out of a timeout;
4) the Mavs have put up the worst displays of a half court offense ever seen.

I swear that Nelson is just using the greaseboard to draw dirty pictures in the huddle because the plays he draws up are terrible.

I intend to use this thread to keep a record of such scenarios and their success and failure.

11/22: 2 such possessions-end of half and end of game. Both failed miserably. The one at the end of the game was most apparent as the team looked lost and Harris passed up a very open shot to get it to Stackhouse who was promptly double-teamed and did not get the shot off before the buzzer and the shot that was heaved up missed badly.

Feel free to help out.

[Murphy3]

Let me know what looks odd......

(4:27) [DAL 79-67] Stackhouse Free Throw Technical (3 PTS)
(4:14) [MIN 69-79] Cassell Jump Shot: Made (14 PTS)
(3:57) [DAL] Howard Jump Shot: Missed
(3:55) [MIN] Griffin Rebound (Off:4 Def:9)
(3:49) [MIN 71-79] Sprewell Driving Layup: Made (6 PTS)
(3:49) [DAL] Daniels Foul: Shooting (5 PF)
(3:49) [MIN 72-79] Sprewell Free Throw 1 of 1 (7 PTS)
(3:49) [MIN] Griffin Substitution replaced by Szczerbiak
(3:33) [DAL 81-72] Henderson Layup Shot: Made (10 PTS) Assist: Daniels (5 AST)
(3:13) [MIN 74-81] Sprewell Jump Shot: Made (9 PTS) Assist: Garnett (8 AST)
(2:43) [DAL] D. Harris Jump Shot: Missed
(2:42) [MIN] Garnett Rebound (Off:3 Def:12)
(2:39) [MIN 76-81] Szczerbiak Layup Shot: Made (6 PTS) Assist: Hassell (1 AST)
(2:39) [DAL] D. Harris Foul: Shooting (3 PF)
(2:39) [MIN 77-81] Szczerbiak Free Throw 1 of 1 (7 PTS)
(2:13) [DAL] Daniels Layup Shot: Missed
(2:12) [MIN] Szczerbiak Rebound (Off:2 Def:1)
(2:06) [MIN] Sprewell Turnover: Bad Pass (2 TO) Steal: Howard (3 ST)
(1:44) [DAL] Daniels Jump Shot: Missed
(1:42) [MIN] Cassell Rebound (Off:0 Def:3)
(1:36) [MIN] Cassell Layup Shot: Missed Block: D. Harris (3 BLK)
(1:34) [DAL] Daniels Rebound (Off:2 Def:8)
(1:33) [MIN] Sprewell Foul: Shooting (2 PF)
(1:33) [DAL 82-77] Stackhouse Free Throw 1 of 2 (4 PTS)
(1:33) [DAL] Stackhouse Free Throw 2 of 2 missed
(1:32) [MIN] Garnett Rebound (Off:3 Def:13)
(1:25) [MIN 79-82] Cassell Driving Layup: Made (16 PTS)
(1:09) [DAL] Daniels Layup Shot: Missed
(1:08) [DAL] Henderson Rebound (Off:5 Def:3)
(1:05) [DAL] Henderson Layup Shot: Missed Block: Garnett (3 BLK)
(1:03) [MIN] Cassell Rebound (Off:0 Def:4)
(0:58) [MIN] Sprewell Jump Shot: Missed
(0:56) [MIN] Garnett Rebound (Off:4 Def:13)
(0:54) [MIN] Garnett Layup Shot: Missed
(0:52) [DAL] Stackhouse Rebound (Off:0 Def:4)
(0:48) [DAL] Daniels Turnover: Bad Pass (3 TO)
(0:48) [MIN] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:44) [MIN 81-82] Szczerbiak Layup Shot: Made (9 PTS) Assist: Garnett (9 AST)
(0:22) [DAL] D. Harris Jump Shot: Missed
(0:20) [MIN] Szczerbiak Rebound (Off:2 Def:2)

[Dooby]

tired head. What's the bit? Dampier not on the court? Booth who was doing a good job on Garnett not on the court? Numbnuts not calling a timeout while Minn goes on a 15-2 run? We can't hit the broad side of a barn?

[Dooby]

My cat's breath smells like cat food.

[chumdawg]

Just be sure you put all this in the proper context, in terms of:

A) how often these situations come up in practice (in other words, is this sufficient enough to warrant a coach's firing, all else notwithstanding)

B) how much success the best coaches have in these situations

C) the personnel available (when there was a chance to beat GS at the buzzer, the ball went to Dirk, and he missed the shot...without Dirk the other night, you were dealing with a rookie and Jerry Stackhouse...not near the same thing)

[dalmations202]

Originally posted by: Murphy3
Let me know what looks odd......

(4:27) [DAL 79-67] <u>Stackhouse Free Throw Technical (3 PTS)</u>
(4:14) [MIN 69-79] Cassell Jump Shot: Made (14 PTS)
(3:57) [DAL] Howard Jump Shot: Missed
(3:55) [MIN] Griffin Rebound (Off:4 Def:9)
(3:49) [MIN 71-79] Sprewell Driving Layup: Made (6 PTS)
(3:49) [DAL] Daniels Foul: Shooting (5 PF)
(3:49) [MIN 72-79] Sprewell Free Throw 1 of 1 (7 PTS)
(3:49) [MIN] Griffin Substitution replaced by Szczerbiak
(3:33) [DAL 81-72] <u>Henderson Layup Shot: Made (10 PTS) Assist: Daniels (5 AST)</u>
(3:13) [MIN 74-81] Sprewell Jump Shot: Made (9 PTS) Assist: Garnett (8 AST)
(2:43) [DAL] D. Harris Jump Shot: Missed
(2:42) [MIN] Garnett Rebound (Off:3 Def:12)
(2:39) [MIN 76-81] Szczerbiak Layup Shot: Made (6 PTS) Assist: Hassell (1 AST)
(2:39) [DAL] D. Harris Foul: Shooting (3 PF)
(2:39) [MIN 77-81] Szczerbiak Free Throw 1 of 1 (7 PTS)
(2:13) [DAL] Daniels Layup Shot: Missed
(2:12) [MIN] Szczerbiak Rebound (Off:2 Def:1)
(2:06) [MIN] Sprewell Turnover: Bad Pass (2 TO) Steal: Howard (3 ST)
(1:44) [DAL] Daniels Jump Shot: Missed
(1:42) [MIN] Cassell Rebound (Off:0 Def:3)
(1:36) [MIN] Cassell Layup Shot: Missed Block: D. Harris (3 BLK)
(1:34) [DAL] Daniels Rebound (Off:2 Def:8)
(1:33) [MIN] Sprewell Foul: Shooting (2 PF)
(1:33) [DAL 82-77]<u> Stackhouse Free Throw 1 of 2 (4 PTS)
(1:33) [DAL] Stackhouse Free Throw 2 of 2 missed</u>
(1:32) [MIN] Garnett Rebound (Off:3 Def:13)
(1:25) [MIN 79-82] Cassell Driving Layup: Made (16 PTS)
(1:09) [DAL] Daniels Layup Shot: Missed
(1:08) [DAL] Henderson Rebound (Off:5 Def:3)
(1:05) [DAL] <u>Henderson Layup Shot: Missed Block: Garnett (3 BLK)</u>
(1:03) [MIN] Cassell Rebound (Off:0 Def:4)
(0:58) [MIN] Sprewell Jump Shot: Missed
(0:56) [MIN] Garnett Rebound (Off:4 Def:13)
(0:54) [MIN] Garnett Layup Shot: Missed
(0:52) [DAL] Stackhouse Rebound (Off:0 Def:4)
(0:48) [DAL] Daniels Turnover: Bad Pass (3 TO)
(0:48) [MIN] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:44) [MIN 81-82] Szczerbiak Layup Shot: Made (9 PTS) Assist: Garnett (9 AST)
(0:22) [DAL] D. Harris Jump Shot: Missed
(0:20) [MIN] Szczerbiak Rebound (Off:2 Def:2)

You mean something strange about basically all of the last shots in the game taken by rooks, and soph's? Vs veterans shots either being fouled, made, or 1 blocked.

[Murphy3]

Well, this is a thread initially concerning Don Nelson....So, I'm going to go with no timeouts taken to at least slow down the run.

Perhaps nba.com is incorrect, but I don't remember any TO's late in the game to at least attempt to slow down a team that's on a huge run.

[Kat]

I can't begin to list the lapses over the past few games, but one thing comes to mind to explain it..................Nellie came to relie upon Nash to run the offense on the court, (Nellie got lazy, and Steve was competant). You can't replace that easily (Nash ran the offense with his eyes closed), With Nash, Nellie didn't have to work, it was instinct with Nash, who had developed Nellies offense thought process and ran it and could do so even in his sleep. Now with the newbies it has to be taught, play by play, that doesn't happen in three months, Nellies play book is too intense. It's difficult to teach thinking on your feet, it took Nash three years to be able to do that. Nellie got lazy, and we all took it for granted. We all, including Nellie need to be patient. Remember when we booed Nash?

[bernardos70]

Nelson doesn't believe in timely timeouts. Popovic feels a momentum changing basket, even a single one before the run even has a chance to take place, and calls a timeout.

[Lonely PSU Mavs Fan]

Bump

12/2/04: Nelson calls time out after a rocket player's first made free throw (which was a good call in my opinion; iced the player). Dirk gets the ball and has an open shot but passes it up (because too much time left?), passes to stackhouse, who takes a couple of dribbles, tries to shoot over McGrady with with 5 seconds left, gets it blocked, rockets get a chance to win the game. Luckily mavs win in OT.

[DubOverdose]

Jason Terry had a nice clutch shot last night when the clock was winding down...then he spread his wings like the jet he is!

[SeriousSummer]

Dirk had a very long opportunity to shoot a three--but way too much time was still on the clock. He was doubled, and passed to Stackhouse who was open.

Stackhouse fumbled the pass, then panicked a little bit and put the shot up 2 or 3 seconds early.

I don't know whether this was a well thought out plan, or not.

1. You want the ball in Dirk's hands;
2. If he gets a tough double, then you want him to get the ball to the open man;
3. If Stackhouse's man is the doubler, then getting the ball to Stackhouse seems OK, he's a veteran and should know how to handle himself (although he didn't do well this time).

4. If you stop the clock before the shot (was there another timeout left?), then you set up and they set up.
5. If you run the ball up, then you might find an opening or prevent a double on Dirk.

6. On balance, I'd call time out if they made the final free throw to go ahead, but probably wouldn't if, like last night, they miss.

[LRB]

Why not call a timeout when the Mavs got the rebound from the missed FT? Make sure that either the Mavs get the last shot or run out the clock. It would have been better for the Mavs to run out the clock and get no shot off than get the crappy shot they did and give the Rockets time to get the last shot. Nellie's refusal to call timeouts in these situations is idiotic IMO since the Mavs have such a high rate of screwing it up versus doing it right when the timeout isn't called. Will Nellie every learn or is his head irrevicably stuck up his @$$ when it comes to calling timeouts in this situation?

[Hitman]

Bottom line is that was a very poorly designed play. It should have been written up to get Dirk the ball with about 8 seconds left, for a clear out on one of the wings. If he is doubled then he can swing it around to an open shooter.

[chumdawg]

Originally posted by: Hitman
Bottom line is that was a very poorly designed play. It should have been written up to get Dirk the ball with about 8 seconds left, for a clear out on one of the wings. If he is doubled then he can swing it around to an open shooter.

Yeah, and guess what would have happened then. Then some rookie or some guy who hasn't yet 'gelled' with Dirk would have fumbled the ball away or not given it to Dirk where he was supposed to or flat decided to take the shot himself. And then this thread would be full of comments such as "Why is Nellie too stupid to get the ball to Dirk for the last shot?????"

[FilthyFinMavs]

Can someone explain why Dirk doesn't get the last shot of the game? Is it because he doesn't want it or is it because Nellie doesn't have faith he will make the jumpers? It's not a major concern and no Dirk doesn't have to take every last shot but it's amazing i've seen Stack and Harris try to hit game winners for us this season.


I don't think you can get mad at Nellie for not making a game winning shot. I had no problem with the play last night other than what Stack did. Rather than drive to the lane he went up for a jumpshot. A jumpsot he can't even hit during the game so why will he be able to hit it in a clutch situation?

[Hitman]

Originally posted by: chumdawg

Yeah, and guess what would have happened then. Then some rookie or some guy who hasn't yet 'gelled' with Dirk would have fumbled the ball away or not given it to Dirk where he was supposed to or flat decided to take the shot himself. And then this thread would be full of comments such as "Why is Nellie too stupid to get the ball to Dirk for the last shot?????"

Ummm...I don't give a crap what this thread would be filled with. The bottom line is that Dirk was given the ball at the the top of the three point line with 15 seconds left on the clock and was forced to pass it to Stack. You need to draw up a play that gives your best player the chance to win the game.

That play did not.

Oh, and FFM. It is because Dirk does not want to take the last shot.

He is scared.

[FilthyFinMavs]

What the hell is he scared of? The big bad Nellie?

[chumdawg]

Hitman, you missed my point entirely.

[Murphy3]

The bottom line is this...Stack made a poor decision. Dirk was unable to shake the double team so he made a pass. Stack thought he had an opening but was forced into a horrible shot with way too much time left on the clock. Stack probably should have dished the ball back to Dirk or swung it around the perimeter..... The one thing he should not have done was take a shot with that much time left and give the Mavs a chance to lose.

[chumdawg]

December 13 @ Chicago: The Mavs have THREE such possessions, and succeed in all three. Highlights include Nellie getting the ball into Dirk's hands to draw a foul and have two free throws to tie the game. After a rebound of a missed free throw, Nellie draws up a play to get an open jumper for Finley, who knocks it down. After a defensive substitution, the defense stops Chicago's last gasp.

[Murphy3]

Yep, give credit to Nellie on finally drawing up some plays getting the ball into the hands of the people that need to have the ball.