It is currently snowing in hell

[dude1394]

It must be...from the NYTimes.

A War We Just Might Win
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/30/op...prod=permalink

Here is the most important thing Americans need to understand: We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms.***

After the furnace-like heat, the first thing you notice when you land in Baghdad is the morale of our troops. In previous trips to Iraq we often found American troops angry and frustrated — many sensed they had the wrong strategy, were using the wrong tactics and were risking their lives in pursuit of an approach that could not work.

Today, morale is high. The soldiers and marines told us they feel that they now have a superb commander in Gen. David Petraeus; they are confident in his strategy, they see real results, and they feel now they have the numbers needed to make a real difference.

Everywhere, Army and Marine units were focused on securing the Iraqi population, working with Iraqi security units, creating new political and economic arrangements at the local level and providing basic services — electricity, fuel, clean water and sanitation — to the people. Yet in each place, operations had been appropriately tailored to the specific needs of the community. As a result, civilian fatality rates are down roughly a third since the surge began — though they remain very high, underscoring how much more still needs to be done.

[dude1394]

And from the powerline.. It is quite sad that democrats feel success in an american war causes them "trouble", but it is the truth.

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../07/018082.php

I'm not yet persuaded that it is, but this piece by Dan Balz and Chris Cillizza in the Washington Post provides some grounds for optimism. They report that House Majority Whip James Clyburn (D-S.C.) says a strongly positive statement progress in Iraq by General Petraeus likely would split Democrats in the House and impede his party's efforts to press for a timetable to end the war.

According to Clyburn, Petraeus carries significant weight among the 47 members of the Blue Dog caucus in the House (i.e., the less than liberal Democrats). Sadly, it's not clear that Petraeus carries as much weight with moderate and liberal Republicans.

As significant as what Clyburn said is the way he said it. According to Clyburn, a strongly positive report by Petraeus would be "a real big problem for us." Clyburn's candor may be commendable, but it's unfortunate that the Dems regard strongly positive news from Iraq as a problem.

[mcsluggo]

you do realize, of course, that "global warming" means that weather patterns get more ERATIC, not just warmer everywhere. Clearly any snow in hell is a clear indication that the environmenatalists were right all along...

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by mcsluggo

you do realize, of course, that "global warming" means that weather patterns get more ERATIC, not just warmer everywhere. Clearly any snow in hell is a clear indication that the environmenatalists were right all along...

If it takes me agreeing with environmentalists to get a victory in Iraq, I will go buy a honda civic for my next car with 50 mpg. Or better yet a plug-in electric.

And even more impressive, I'll go watch gore's movie.

[Henry_VIII]

Originally Posted by dude1394

If it takes me agreeing with environmentalists to get a victory in Iraq, I will go buy a honda civic for my next car with 50 mpg. Or better yet a plug-in electric.

And even more impressive, I'll go watch gore's movie.

Sounds like the start of a new thread.... "Things you would do/won't do if the libs will join the effort to *win* the war"

I'll ride the bus to work.
I won't bomb an abortion clinic.

I guess this isn't too much of a sacrifice since I already ride the bus, and don't bomb clinics as it is.

[dude1394]

Originally Posted by Henry_VIII

Sounds like the start of a new thread.... "Things you would do/won't do if the libs will join the effort to *win* the war"

I'll ride the bus to work.
I won't bomb an abortion clinic.

I guess this isn't too much of a sacrifice since I already ride the bus, and don't bomb clinics as it is.

boy you aren't kidding. No sacrifice at ALL. But watching ALGore's movie....that would wound me greatly.

[Henry_VIII]

Originally Posted by dude1394

boy you aren't kidding. No sacrifice at ALL. But watching ALGore's movie....that would wound me greatly.

I've learned how to sacrifice from the best: the wealthy liberals.