GDT: Mavericks @ Pacers (Preseason), 16th October, 6pm CST - Page 2 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

yahyes · 10-16-2013, 08:14 PM

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Must be nice to face the Jr. Varsity team.

No Hill, George, West, Hibbert = No Contest.

But I do like what I saw tonight. Crowder and Blair will be great energy guys this season.

Run n gun all night.

SMC0007 · 10-16-2013, 08:17 PM

Sarge James = Meh

yahyes · 10-16-2013, 08:19 PM

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Sarge James = Meh

Hack a Dwight kinda player I see.

Vinsanity · 10-16-2013, 08:19 PM

The announcer just said, "Now they're only down by 6. It's the closest they've been since being down by 23." ... makes absolutely no sense at all

twelli · 10-16-2013, 08:23 PM

The third quarter was great, they love to share the ball, and that is definitely something positive.

sike · 10-16-2013, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SMC0007

Sarge James = Meh

I'm fine w him sitting at the very end of the bench. But if that spot can be improved, do it.

twelli · 10-16-2013, 08:43 PM

I start liking Mehhhkel. I can be a good backup to the Spaniard.

Vinsanity · 10-16-2013, 08:57 PM

Marion really looked great tonight. 18pts 11rbs

marc9211 · 10-16-2013, 09:12 PM

Great game loved the ball distribution... Marion played great Monta had an outstanding first half. Strictly out of the plus or minuses our starters vastly outplayed thiers although there bench whooped ours. Tough for me to put anything into this game however, since Indiana didn't start George or Hibbert and Granger got injured. It's tough to be impressed when Mihimni is the opposing teams starting center.

EricaLubarsky · 10-16-2013, 09:46 PM

This team has the potential to be really good. I know that it's preseason but the potential really is there. I am happily surprised by Ellis. I was down on Ellis, but the guy has brought something we haven't had from a starter since Nash-- penetration with purpose.

yahyes · 10-16-2013, 10:17 PM

2 more of these walkthrough games left. Dirk and Monta should rest up until the reg season opener.

LonghornDub · 10-16-2013, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

penetration with purpose.

No different than a typical Saturday night in Uptown, am I right?

EricaLubarsky · 10-16-2013, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

No different than a typical Saturday night in Uptown, am I right?

Hiiiyo

GermanStandard · 10-17-2013, 01:22 AM

I dont know how you guys can be pumped up.

Team played little better than last year especially with Ellis.

We played the Pacers without all their Starters and Grangers hurt.
We played the Magic without most of their Starter etc. etc.

And we are 2-2 and our Bench seems to not be able to keep big leads (20+).

Bench looks weak so far. Let's see what the Rotation looks like when Calderon, Harris come back.

Minutewise i say it could look sth like this.

Calderon (28) / Harris (10) / Larkin/Mekel (4)
Ellis (32) / Ellington (10)
Marion (27) / Carter (13) / Crowder (2)
Dirk (30) / Wright (10) / Crowder (2)
Dalembert (20) / Wright (10) / Blair (10) / Melo (2)

This is probably what it will look like. If Larkin is any good after his injury i dont see Mekel in the Roster any longer. Same goes for B. James and Ricky Ledo. Maybe they will get some minutes in garbage time or in some games who are not important (if thats the case).

oilfieldtrash · 10-17-2013, 06:48 AM

It's way too early to tell anything tbh. Few things I feel I have noticed: Dalembert should be back up center, Ellis and Dirk pick and pop is lethal, we miss Calderón Harris and Wright, Mekel has some nice passing but is definitely out of his league at this point in his career.

Underdog · 10-17-2013, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by GermanStandard

I dont know how you guys can be pumped up.

Team played little better than last year especially with Ellis.

We played the Pacers without all their Starters and Grangers hurt.
We played the Magic without most of their Starter etc. etc.

And we are 2-2 and our Bench seems to not be able to keep big leads (20+).

So much fail in this post. Me thinks you haven't watched any of the preseason games and derived all of your opinions from box scores. Our 4th quarter minutes have been dominated by guys who aren't even going to be on the team. And we haven't even seen our starting PG in action. SMFH.

The Dirk-Ellis two man game alone would kick the shit out of last year's squad. Those two have combined to shoot 56.3% from the field in the preseason, with the "inefficient" Ellis shooting 19-35 while averaging 7.5 assists through 4 games. If you're not pumped up by what you've seen, then you should immediately turn in your MFFL card and GTFO.

EricaLubarsky · 10-17-2013, 09:09 AM

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So much fail in this post. Me thinks you haven't watched any of the preseason games and derived all of your opinions from box scores. Our 4th quarter minutes have been dominated by guys who aren't even going to be on the team. And we haven't even seen our starting PG in action. SMFH.

Pretty much. We were up 18-20 when we decided to put out a lineup of McConnell/Kennedy/Crowder/Ebanks/James for the last minute of the third and they played the entire fourth quarter.

McConnell,Kennedy and Ebanks will be cut before the start of the season, James is a third/fourth stringer, Crowder is the only guy that will get significant playing time and he was only out there because Ledo was injured.

None of our starters or even second stringers have played a minute in the fourth quarter in any of the four games. When our 1-10 guys were pulled, we lead in all four games.

GermanStandard · 10-17-2013, 09:19 AM

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Pretty much. We were up 18-20 when we decided to put out a lineup of McConnell/Kennedy/Crowder/Ebanks/James for the last minute of the third and they played the entire fourth quarter.

McConnell,Kennedy and Ebanks will be cut before the start of the season, James is a third/fourth stringer, Crowder is the only guy that will get significant playing time and he was only out there because Ledo was injured.

None of our starters or even second stringers have played a minute in the fourth quarter in any of the four games. When our 1-10 guys were pulled, we lead in all four games.

No one has yet noticed, that most Teams played without Starters (Pacers didnt even have ONE) for most of the Time or in the 4th.

Its okay being positive about the new season, but some guys think we are going to outplay everyone when we havent even seen the real guys on all teams.

Let's just wait 10-15 games into the season until making statements like "that team is sooooo much better than..."

Just sayin, no need to punish me for staying real lol

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-17-2013, 09:33 AM

Well, Ellis/Dirk works so well so far, good competition or not. You'd think it being preseason that with Ellis's reputation he'd just be chuckin' away and not give a crap. He's been almost the total opposite of that playing efficient basketball getting people involved.

And Dalembert seems to look better and better with each game. These comments about him being a backup center are puzzling to me. The other guy who might start has a shoulder injury soooo the team doesn't really have much of a choice. Anyone who is expecting a 10/10 Chandler season from Daly need to come back to reality and just be happy with what you got. I'll take 8 rebounds and a few blocks a game from my backup, and I don't even really like the guy.

Underdog · 10-17-2013, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by GermanStandard

No one has yet noticed, that most Teams played without Starters (Pacers didnt even have ONE) for most of the Time or in the 4th.

Its okay being positive about the new season, but some guys think we are going to outplay everyone when we havent even seen the real guys on all teams.

Let's just wait 10-15 games into the season until making statements like "that team is sooooo much better than..."

Just sayin, no need to punish me for staying real lol

But you're not staying "real" - you're completely focusing on box score numbers while ignoring the context of what's happening in the games... Which is exactly how you DON'T judge the preseason.

There are some beautiful things happening on the court so far. Monta Ellis looks to be the best player that Dirk has ever been paired with - those two go together like chocolate and peanut butter. Much better than JET, and even better than pre-decline Finely or pre-MVP Nash (only partially because Dirk is much better than he was back then, but mostly because Ellis looks damn good).

You could put the Dirk-Monta two man game up against an All-NBA Defensive Team and they're not going to stop it - Ellis is just too quick and Dirk is just too tall. This is our bread and butter play, so it's safe to say that this team is going to be better than last year's... Some aspects of basketball don't need 10-15 games to figure out.

EricaLubarsky · 10-17-2013, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GermanStandard

No one has yet noticed, that most Teams played without Starters (Pacers didnt even have ONE) for most of the Time or in the 4th.

Its okay being positive about the new season, but some guys think we are going to outplay everyone when we havent even seen the real guys on all teams.

Let's just wait 10-15 games into the season until making statements like "that team is sooooo much better than..."

Just sayin, no need to punish me for staying real lol

Four straight games we've basically put in a D-league team in the 4th (and part of the 3rd) and yet you are arguing that the box score after 48 minutes means more than the three quarters of the game that we actually played guys that will be on our team in November?

If that's real for you, I have a few things to sell you.

Dirk's Knee · 10-17-2013, 11:25 AM

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But you're not staying "real" - you're completely focusing on box score numbers while ignoring the context of what's happening in the games... Which is exactly how you DON'T judge the preseason.

There are some beautiful things happening on the court so far. Monta Ellis looks to be the best player that Dirk has ever been paired with - those two go together like chocolate and peanut butter. Much better than JET, and even better than pre-decline Finely or pre-MVP Nash (only partially because Dirk is much better than he was back then, but mostly because Ellis looks damn good).

You could put the Dirk-Monta two man game up against an All-NBA Defensive Team and they're not going to stop it - Ellis is just too quick and Dirk is just too tall. This is our bread and butter play, so it's safe to say that this team is going to be better than last year's... Some aspects of basketball don't need 10-15 games to figure out.

+1. The actual score means next to nothing in the preseason. You have watch how the players are fitting together on the floor and look at individual stats. The Dirk/Monta pairing is showing signs of being a huge leap better than the Dirk/Mayo pairing. If one can't see that, they're not paying very close attention. Can't wait to see Calderon added to the mix and have Wright back. Let's get this season started.

marc9211 · 10-17-2013, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by GermanStandard

No one has yet noticed, that most Teams played without Starters (Pacers didnt even have ONE) for most of the Time or in the 4th.

Its okay being positive about the new season, but some guys think we are going to outplay everyone when we havent even seen the real guys on all teams.

Let's just wait 10-15 games into the season until making statements like "that team is sooooo much better than..."

Just sayin, no need to punish me for staying real lol

We get that they haven't played much competition. But saying your not sure that there going to be better than last year means you haven't watched any games. Oj and Dirk never had the chemistry that Monta and Dirk have and we are only two preseason games in. Imagine the two man game with Monta and Dirk with Calderon waiting to hit a three. We never had anything close with collison and mayo than we have now. Again I get we haven't played competition but looking at the content of the game will tell you we are BETTER.

oilfieldtrash · 10-17-2013, 11:40 AM

It was very troublesome how Stevenson got to the rim at will. I think big athletic guards are going to give this team fits. I'm hoping that at some point we can upgrade the depth at center.
Also can someone tell me why Dalembert shoots so dang much? In this offense it appears that 15-17 footer is an open shot for the center but I still don't want the guy taking it. Wide Open or not.

Dirk's Knee · 10-17-2013, 11:51 AM

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It was very troublesome how Stevenson got to the rim at will. I think big athletic guards are going to give this team fits. I'm hoping that at some point we can upgrade the depth at center.
Also can someone tell me why Dalembert shoots so dang much? In this offense it appears that 15-17 footer is an open shot for the center but I still don't want the guy taking it. Wide Open or not.

Another +1. I think defensive flaws of Ellis will cause some issues. The question is whether he can make up for it offensively. Seeing Dalembert play, he's a big concern for me. We're seeing some decent rebounding from him, but I think we're going to have a replay from last year getting demolished inside fairly often. A big increase in Wright's minutes hopefully can make up for it offensively. Though hoping we can Nellie-Ball our way out of weak defensive play isn't what I want to be saying right before the season starts...

EricaLubarsky · 10-17-2013, 12:21 PM

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Another +1. I think defensive flaws of Ellis will cause some issues. The question is whether he can make up for it offensively. Seeing Dalembert play, he's a big concern for me. We're seeing some decent rebounding from him, but I think we're going to have a replay from last year getting demolished inside fairly often. A big increase in Wright's minutes hopefully can make up for it offensively. Though hoping we can Nellie-Ball our way out of weak defensive play isn't what I want to be saying right before the season starts...

I know that Calderon isn't a defensive stalwart, but he's bigger and stronger. When the two people play together, Ellis will probably defend the smaller and quicker guys and Calderon will pick up the stronger guard. Marion also occasionally comes in and defends SGs and even PGs that are particularly troublesome like Harden.

But yeah, this team will never be a top 5 defensive team, but if anyone can cover up our weaknesses and take opponents out of their game, Carlisle can and I can predict us being a top 10-15 defensive team.

I also see us being offensively unstoppable, with most of our practices focusing on covering up defensive weaknesses.

LonghornDub · 10-17-2013, 12:50 PM

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And we are 2-2 and our Bench seems to not be able to keep big leads (20+).

Do we really want to call the guys who have played in the fourth quarter of these preseason games the "bench"?

The bench is VC, Harris, BWright, Ellington, Mekel/Larkin, Blair, Crowder, etc. The guys who have played the 4Q in these preseason games are not "the bench"--they won't even be on the roster in a couple weeks.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-17-2013, 01:29 PM

Ellis seems to put in decent effort on defense, but he just doesn't have the physical skills to be a great defender. Shooters can shoot over him because of his 6'3 stance and short wingspan.

If anyone gets a link to the full game then please post it. Thanks.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-17-2013, 01:34 PM

Solid article by Sneed about Marion. The guy does excel at doing things that most NBA players don't want to do.

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DALLAS — It’s not often that a four-time NBA All-Star is overlooked on his own team’s roster.

But, after a near-complete roster shakeup by the Dallas Mavericks’ front office this summer, versatile forward Shawn Marion seems to be the forgotten piece to the puzzle as the team tries to make a return to the playoffs.

Wednesday night, Marion led the team with 18 points on 9-of-18 shooting to go along with 11 rebounds in 25 minutes of work as the Mavs moved to 2-2 in exhibition play with a 92-85 road win over the Indiana Pacers. The monster night came just two days after receiving a scheduled rest from Mavericks coach Rick Carlisle during a 102-94 home loss to Orlando, which seems to have rejuvenated the 35-year-old veteran.

“I mean, my wind has been pretty good throughout preseason right now and in training camp, but I just wanted to be aggressive and my teammates were looking for me,” Marion said following his return. “The ball was moving a lot more and the ball was finding me.”

“Look, we didn’t run one play for him and he made great things happen all night,” Carlisle said of Marion’s performance. “He created opportunities by running and doing things the hard way, and defensively he was real solid and helped us rebound. You know, you sit a guy out like that for one game and you start to understand how meaningful he is to your team. It was good to have him back out there.”

With Marion resting, his absence would mostly be felt on the glass as the Magic outrebounded the Mavs, 54-32. Two nights later, with the team’s leading rebounder from the past two seasons back in action, the Mavs finished the game with a 48-46 edge on the boards.

Meanwhile, Marion appeared to have found a connection with new addition Monta Ellis as the combo guard operated as the team’s main playmaker Wednesday night, cutting through the lane with ease for scores around the basket while Ellis dished out nine assists. And it’s Marion’s ability to affect a game without having a play called in his direction that has his teammates expecting a big season from the 14-year veteran.

“He looked refreshed,” 11-time All-Star Dirk Nowitzki said with high praise for his teammate. “He was good and he was good around the basket. He kept balls alive, and he’s one of the best slashers in this league. He always finds a little seam where he can get in and get his little floater or runner off. He was fantastic. He played with energy, he was all over the place, and he made some stuff happen for us.”

“[Marion] is going to be that X-factor when teams come off and try to guard the pick-and-roll,” Ellis added. “He knows the game and he’s going to get to the right spots. The only thing we have to do is find him.”

http://www.mavs.com/shawn-marion-eme...factor-season/