GDT: Mavericks @ Rockets (Preseason), 21st October, 7pm CST - Page 3 - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Underdog · 10-21-2013, 09:27 PM

Samuel Dalembert 13 points.
Dwight Howard 15 points.

Dalembert = Howard

Go preseason box score eff yeah!!

markus1234 · 10-21-2013, 09:29 PM

Bottom line

Dalembert was the best MAV. very good game overall

Dirk was OK (great defense, good offense, bad rebounding)

Carter, Ellis, Marion need to get better. Too many stupid shots and bad perimeter D. They are the reason why we lost.

Calderon needs to control the game better and feed the right guys. For example Marion in the corner is not the right guy.

Vinsanity · 10-21-2013, 09:36 PM

If they suspend Dirk I'm rioting. I'm going to the first game of the season so he better play

sefant77 · 10-21-2013, 09:48 PM

Dear Monta, Shawn and Jae:

Please stop shooting threes...

Melonhead · 10-21-2013, 10:02 PM

Ive only seen tonights game, but Id like to see Calderon pass more to Dirk, less Ellis 3 point shooting, and less Marion shooting period. I love the fact that Calderon, Ellis, Mekel can drive to the hole when needed.

LonghornDub · 10-21-2013, 10:46 PM

I cannot believe the Mavs lost this one. I am despondent and inconsolable.

Underdog · 10-21-2013, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I cannot believe the Mavs lost this one. I am despondent and inconsolable.

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-21-2013, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I cannot believe the Mavs lost this one. I am despondent and inconsolable.

We almost made the playoffs...almost.....

FreshJive · 10-22-2013, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I cannot believe the Mavs lost this one. I am despondent and inconsolable.

I just hope that dude found his cat.

Dirk's Knee · 10-22-2013, 08:13 AM

That game was way uglier than I expected from both teams. Looked more like the first preseason game than I expected both teams to look like at this point. Oh well. Count down to the season starting! Let's hope no suspension for Dirk!

SMC0007 · 10-22-2013, 09:54 AM

Had a good first quarter.

Dirk had about 4 blocks before spiking Casspi head in oblivion. He looks fairly fresh overall.

Dalembert had a good game.

EricaLubarsky · 10-22-2013, 11:07 AM

Should we start the "offseason 2014-2015" thread yet?

Kante · 10-22-2013, 11:11 AM

Full game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD8v5-aSkr8

JeffViggiano · 10-22-2013, 11:20 AM

dirk 4blocks(2 to howard) and a flagrant 2 in 25minutes of a preseason game...i love him!!!!

Maringa · 10-22-2013, 04:07 PM

From what I have seen so far...with Mekel being possibly our 3rd or 4th string guard, we are already better at the point guard position than we were last year.

Calderon is going to be wonderful at times, good at most others...the closest we will be to be Kidd since his departure.

I am nervous about Ellis...some keep saying that what we saw last night will be quite common during stretches of the season. Hopefully Calderon and others will help him find his spot.

Crowder....whatever happened to him? He has become quite the waste of court space, with the exception of a few defensive plays and hustle. His shooting has completely left him...

Others are playing as expected....

I think we win 3-5 more games this season if everyone stays healthy..1st round exit...

sike · 10-22-2013, 06:35 PM

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I think we win 3-5 more games this season if everyone stays healthy..1st round exit...

They would win more than that JUST by having Dirk for the entire season.

I'm betting on at least an 8 game improvement.

LonghornDub · 10-22-2013, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Should we start the "offseason 2014-2015" thread yet?

Well played. Well played.

markus1234 · 10-22-2013, 08:10 PM

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6:45 Monta Ellis shooting foul (James Harden draws the foul) 61-59
6:45 61-60 James Harden makes free throw 1 of 2
6:45 61-60 James Harden misses free throw 2 of 2
6:45 Samuel Dalembert defensive rebound 61-60
6:31 Monta Ellis misses 22-foot jumper 61-60
6:31 61-60 Dwight Howard defensive rebound
6:11 61-60 Dirk Nowitzki blocks Omer Asik's layup
6:11 Mavericks defensive team rebound 61-60
5:52 Monta Ellis misses 25-foot three point jumper 61-60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...5-aSkr8#t=3500

Smething is wrong, right...?

Let's hope once reg season starts he will pass the ball to a wide open Dirk. If not...

grndmstr_c · 10-22-2013, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

Smething is wrong, right...?

Let's hope once reg season starts he will pass the ball to a wide open Dirk. If not...

Nice to know markus is in midseason form. I particularly love how he starts quoting the play-by-play just after the part where Monta picks up 3 assists (off made baskets by Dirk, JC and Daly) in a just over two minute span, and then stops quoting it right before another two-minute window in which Monta picks up another pair of assists (on baskets by Dirk and Daly).

sike · 10-22-2013, 09:23 PM

Other than shooting poorly, I liked what Ellis brought last night. Among top level guys, he has got to be one of the quickest in the league.

dude1394 · 10-22-2013, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Maringa

From what I have seen so far...with Mekel being possibly our 3rd or 4th string guard, we are already better at the point guard position than we were last year.

Calderon is going to be wonderful at times, good at most others...the closest we will be to be Kidd since his departure.

I am nervous about Ellis...some keep saying that what we saw last night will be quite common during stretches of the season. Hopefully Calderon and others will help him find his spot.

Crowder....whatever happened to him? He has beco

Crowder benefitted from our most excellent crappy team last year. He is going to have to hit the three a LOT better IMO to get on the court. He is a smart player, but he finishes poorly and rebounds even worse. His defense I'm not sure about but I do like his intensity.

When is Larkin coming back, I really want to see him on the court.

EricaLubarsky · 10-22-2013, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sike

Other than shooting poorly, I liked what Ellis brought last night. Among top level guys, he has got to be one of the quickest in the league.

Definitely. Plus, people forget that everyone in the league (even Dirk) have bad shooting nights. Dirk shoots 3-14 and people are totally fine. Mayo shoots 4-16 and people lose it.

And even though his shot wasn't falling, dude still played some D, got some steals, penetrated and had some lovely passes. If you can't contribute with shooting, you do other things and he did.

oilfieldtrash · 10-22-2013, 10:57 PM

Brandon Wright sorely missed. He should really fit in well with the high tempo offense this team runs.
The offense looks better after 1 game with most of the core vs the team last year at seasons end. All this chemistry talk is overrated imo. Basketball is a universal language and if you can play and pass you can play and pass with anyone. Sure the more intricate details of your game can be learned over time and others can adjust to that and find you better.

Bayliss · 10-22-2013, 11:01 PM

Ellis looked Dirk's way more than Calderon did. Ellis has made more passes to Dirk in the preseason than Mayo did all last year. Ellis has a knack so far of penetrating off of Dirk (or another player) and probing the lane and when the defense converges he kicks it back to Dirk for a nice jumper.

Ellis needs to not take 3s. When he realizes that he no longer has to take poor shots because he will get a ton off open looks from Dirk... his efficiency should go up tremendously.

Harper the other night made the comment about Calderon shooting the 3 when he should have thrown it back in to Dirk who had Parsons on him. I'd like to see Calderon make it a point to feed Dirk more. Last night I didn't see it at all, hopefully it was just a one game thing......

NorwegianMavsFan · 10-23-2013, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Harper the other night made the comment about Calderon shooting the 3 when he should have thrown it back in to Dirk who had Parsons on him. I'd like to see Calderon make it a point to feed Dirk more. Last night I didn't see it at all, hopefully it was just a one game thing......

I don´t know the context, and I don´t know how open Calderon was, but Calderon shooting an open 3 is IMO even better than Dirk shooting a contested two (with Parsons on him). Remember how good a 3 point shooter Calderon is.

Dirk's Knee · 10-23-2013, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Ellis looked Dirk's way more than Calderon did. Ellis has made more passes to Dirk in the preseason than Mayo did all last year. Ellis has a knack so far of penetrating off of Dirk (or another player) and probing the lane and when the defense converges he kicks it back to Dirk for a nice jumper.

Ellis needs to not take 3s. When he realizes that he no longer has to take poor shots because he will get a ton off open looks from Dirk... his efficiency should go up tremendously.

Harper the other night made the comment about Calderon shooting the 3 when he should have thrown it back in to Dirk who had Parsons on him. I'd like to see Calderon make it a point to feed Dirk more. Last night I didn't see it at all, hopefully it was just a one game thing......

I agree entirely Ellis needs to be conservative shooting 3's. However, he still needs to take the open shot if he has it. If your talking about the Houston game, the team started kinda cold so Calderon took things into his own hands. Gotta consider 1 of Calderon's goals in the first was off an assists by Dirk and IIRC he set Dirk up twice and Dirk missed the shot. still need to see a little more, but wasn't this their first game together? Let's see what happens tonight.

some1nw · 10-23-2013, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...5-aSkr8#t=3500

Smething is wrong, right...?

Let's hope once reg season starts he will pass the ball to a wide open Dirk. If not...

and i was wondering where this retard has been

Dirk's Knee · 10-23-2013, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by oilfieldtrash

Brandon Wright sorely missed. He should really fit in well with the high tempo offense this team runs.
The offense looks better after 1 game with most of the core vs the team last year at seasons end. All this chemistry talk is overrated imo. Basketball is a universal language and if you can play and pass you can play and pass with anyone. Sure the more intricate details of your game can be learned over time and others can adjust to that and find you better.

Absolutely untrue. There difference is in understanding where your team mates hot spots are and being able to communicate without using words. That is chemistry. When the passer knows what move their teammates are going to make before they make it. It's the difference between making a basket or fumbling the ball and turning it over when a guard executes a dribble penetration dumping it to the open post player when the help defense commits.

Kante · 10-23-2013, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by grndmstr_c

Nice to know markus is in midseason form. I particularly love how he starts quoting the play-by-play just after the part where Monta picks up 3 assists (off made baskets by Dirk, JC and Daly) in a just over two minute span, and then stops quoting it right before another two-minute window in which Monta picks up another pair of assists (on baskets by Dirk and Daly).

He's just the idiot that he used to be... Still in shape!

DevinHarriswillstart · 10-23-2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...5-aSkr8#t=3500

Smething is wrong, right...?

Let's hope once reg season starts he will pass the ball to a wide open Dirk. If not...

Overanalyzing preseason probably isn't worth it...especially when you pick and choose your stats to prove a fallible point.

How about the fact that Ellis led the team in assists? In fact, any player that leads the team in assists is OK by me to take a few bad shots.

DirkFTW · 10-23-2013, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

Dirk shoots 3-14 and people are totally fine. Mayo shoots 4-16 and people lose it.

Because it's all part of the plan.

Kante · 10-23-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Overanalyzing preseason probably isn't worth it...especially when you pick and choose your stats to prove a fallible point.

How about the fact that Ellis led the team in assists? In fact, any player that leads the team in assists is OK by me to take a few bad shots.

And, to be fair, it's not a bad shot. Wide open, so he can take it.

markus1234 · 10-23-2013, 12:41 PM

It was open, but it was not a good shot. It was a rushed off balance 22ft shot. A good shot would be a nice 3 point jumpshot with his feet set. Something you practice in the gym. What Ellis did was more like streetball. He needs to pick his spots where he shoots a high %. And practice it in the gym (like Jet and Dirk). No need to let em fly from all over the court.

Underdog · 10-23-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by markus1234

It was open, but it was not a good shot. It was a rushed off balance 22ft shot. A good shot would be a nice 3 point jumpshot with his feet set. Something you practice in the gym. What Ellis did was more like streetball. He needs to pick his spots where he shoots a high %. And practice it in the gym (like Jet and Dirk). No need to let em fly from all over the court.

grndmstr_c · 10-23-2013, 03:42 PM

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And, to be fair, it's not a bad shot. Wide open, so he can take it.

I'm defending Ellis, but it's not because I liked that shot. The right play there would have been to swing the ball to Dirk. The bigger picture, though, which I gather we agree on, is that most of his shots this preseason have been well-chosen and very much in the flow of the offense, and his playmaking for others has been first-rate.

Kante · 10-23-2013, 04:26 PM

Of course he SHOULD have passed it to Dirk who is a much better shooter from deep than he is. But it's not that he took it over 2 people or some stuff. Who cares, next time he will pass the ball maybe...?

EricaLubarsky · 10-23-2013, 04:38 PM

The problem is that the idea that he should always pass it to an open Dirk is always a good argument in theory but never a good one in reality.

If Ellis never took a shot when he was open, because he was always looking for Dirk, then defenses could always cheat off of Ellis. It's as simple as that and you can't make a black-and-white argument. You can argue that he should pass to Dirk more often (which isn't terribly justified by the passing stats so far) but to say that Ellis should never take a shot when Dirk is open is patently silly.

oilfieldtrash · 10-27-2013, 09:24 AM

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The problem is that the idea that he should always pass it to an open Dirk is always a good argument in theory but never a good one in reality.

If Ellis never took a shot when he was open, because he was always looking for Dirk, then defenses could always cheat off of Ellis. It's as simple as that and you can't make a black-and-white argument. You can argue that he should pass to Dirk more often (which isn't terribly justified by the passing stats so far) but to say that Ellis should never take a shot when Dirk is open is patently silly.

No. Just no. If Dirk is wide open you get him the ball. Period. It might not mean he takes the shot but he should at least touch it. The defense is always going to close or rotate to Dirk. If you're not closing on Dirk then don't plan on getting any significant minutes on a nba roster. Once you get the defense moving that's when you get the wide open cuts to the basket, pump and go, etc.. And Dirk is the kind of player that will give the ball back if you have the better look.