Mavs trade deadline and draft thread - Dallas-Mavs.com Forums

Scoobay · 12-31-2023, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Great bounce back game from Lively.

And Green finally had a good game.

Love Exum, but I'm thinking he is one of our more tradable assets unfortunately.

Great win.

Sure exum is tradeable but why would you trade him at this point?

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-31-2023, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoobay

Sure exum is tradeable but why would you trade him at this point?

Because teams don't want other teams garbage. Of course I don't want to, but teams like Toronto still need a pg. If that's the difference between getting Siakam and or not? Welp...

Scoobay · 12-31-2023, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Because teams don't want other teams garbage. Of course I don't want to, but teams like Toronto still need a pg. If that's the difference between getting Siakam and or not? Welp...

Ok I see what you?re saying but I look at the skillet exum has shown and think he?s been an almost ideal fit playing next to Luka. Good athleticism, pretty good defender, can handle the ball and drive to the basket and finish, and his 3 point shot has been pretty good. I wish green would grow up already and become that guy.

FreshJive · 12-31-2023, 10:06 AM

Don?t trade Exum

Melonhead · 12-31-2023, 11:23 AM

Sure if you want to run Luka into the ground again.

EricaLubarsky · 12-31-2023, 12:22 PM

The thing we learned last year is that we can?t have just one ball handler on the floor.

Even when Kyrie returns. Even if he stays healthy, this team only works with a three guard rotation. Could Green work there? Maybe, but Exum already is that guy. He?s our Brunson? efficient scorer and high BBIQ decision maker.

Not sure why?s you?d give that up. I wouldn?t make him untradable? if we could get Siakam or Giannis, sure. But you don?t shop a lynchpin that important just to get something.

EricaLubarsky · 12-31-2023, 12:28 PM

Combining the two because as of this moment we have no picks (first or second) in this year?s draft. We?d have to drop back ten spots to keep our pick.

38 days to go

Melonhead · 12-31-2023, 02:41 PM

Trade Josh Green, Hardy, Holmes, future picks.

Keep THJ (I know but he?s been that good and his scoring is mostly reliable)

Need another big maybe Isiah Stewart, Drummond will prob cost too much.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-31-2023, 03:25 PM

Still want to keep Exum? I offer pretty much anything outside of Luka/Lively for him.

https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1741549616930210249

Melonhead · 12-31-2023, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Still want to keep Exum? I offer pretty much anything outside of Luka/Lively for him.

https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1741549616930210249

Yes. His small contract is not going to be the difference in Toronto saying yes or no.

EricaLubarsky · 12-31-2023, 03:52 PM

If we can keep the core and get Siakam then that?s a win season.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-31-2023, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Yes. His small contract is not going to be the difference in Toronto saying yes or no.

See, I see the total opposite. I feel like Exum could put a deal like that over the top. Toronto still needs someone to run a team. Quickley and Schroder aren't real pgs and don't do that.

THJ/Exum/Holmes/Green or Hardy and two firsts at least gives us a shot. Yep, it's gonna cost a lot...don't kid yourself otherwise. Outbidding Atlanta will be tough to do.

SMC0007 · 12-31-2023, 04:36 PM

Pfft

Melonhead · 12-31-2023, 05:14 PM

Like I said if we want to go back to the days of running Luka into the ground by all means. Exum is a cornerstone of this offensive pace and taking pressure off Luka by being able to run an offense. I would give DJJ before Exum.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-31-2023, 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Melonhead

Like I said if we want to go back to the days of running Luka into the ground by all means. Exum is a cornerstone of this offensive pace and taking pressure off Luka by being able to run an offense. I would give DJJ before Exum.

Luka is playing the most minutes of his career this season. Exum's role hasn't twarted that. Maybe it will when Kyrie comes back, but it hasn't yet.

Anyway, maybe Toronto goes full rebuild and Exum is too "old" for their timeline. But they're not trading him for scraps. You'd have to for sure include THJ though just to get to the money.

EricaLubarsky · 12-31-2023, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Still want to keep Exum? I offer pretty much anything outside of Luka/Lively for him.

https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1741549616930210249

I guess what I keep getting stuck on is why the Raptors would even want Exum.

I love the guy and love the story, but just because he's our fourth-best player doesn't mean he's a star. We're just so desperate for talent that a 7 elsewhere is a 9-10 here.

More than that even if they valued his play, he's 28 years old. They essentially traded talent for similar talent but younger in the Knicks trade.

OG (26), Precious (24), and Flynn (25)
FOR
Barrett (23), Quickley (24), and a second-round pick.

I really hope we can get the Siakam trade done, but if we do, I get the feeling it will be built around OMax, Green, and Hardy. If Exum was involved, it would be for salary ballast and not because Raptors want the 28-year old

Melonhead · 12-31-2023, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Luka is playing the most minutes of his career this season. Exum's role hasn't twarted that. Maybe it will when Kyrie comes back, but it hasn't yet.

Anyway, maybe Toronto goes full rebuild and Exum is too "old" for their timeline. But they're not trading him for scraps. You'd have to for sure include THJ though just to get to the money.

He?s also more efficient, shooting better on 3s and free throws and playing the best defense of his career. Exum is part of relieving Doncic from being run down.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-31-2023, 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EricaLubarsky

I guess what I keep getting stuck on is why the Raptors would even want Exum.

I love the guy and love the story, but just because he's our fourth-best player doesn't mean he's a star. We're just so desperate for talent that a 7 elsewhere is a 9-10 here.

More than that even if they valued his play, he's 28 years old. They essentially traded talent for similar talent but younger in the Knicks trade.

OG (26), Precious (24), and Flynn (25)
FOR
Barrett (23), Quickley (24), and a second-round pick.

I really hope we can get the Siakam trade done, but if we do, I get the feeling it will be built around OMax, Green, and Hardy. If Exum was involved, it would be for salary ballast and not because Raptors want the 28-year old

Well they'll have to want a 32 year old THJ unless it becomes a three team. THJ and Holmes pretty much have to be involved to make the money work.

So then the value for them would be any mix or all of Green, Hardy, Omax, and likely two firsts.

DevinHarriswillstart · 12-31-2023, 06:42 PM

So rumored it would be THJ/Holmes/Green and a pick. Think we'll be outbid. Main thing we have is that he will be a FA this summer, so maybe teams won't be giving up a ton.

https://twitter.com/Mavs_FFL/status/1741597392711860389

SMC0007 · 01-01-2024, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

So rumored it would be THJ/Holmes/Green and a pick. Think we'll be outbid. Main thing we have is that he will be a FA this summer, so maybe teams won't be giving up a ton.

https://twitter.com/Mavs_FFL/status/1741597392711860389

Raptors would have to be desperate to do this one. I dont thinknwe have a chance

EricaLubarsky · 01-01-2024, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Raptors would have to be desperate to do this one. I dont thinknwe have a chance

But seriously if it?s in the news, it isn?t happening. I've been seriously following the Mavs for 23-24 years and I can't recall a single rumor that has come true.

Mavs are finally attached to a perfect-fit type player but it?s going to be exciting until it doesn?t happen and then a lot of people will be upset at Nico for a trade we probably didn?t have the pieces to even make.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-01-2024, 02:50 PM

Well, agents and FOs use the media to try and negotiate these days. I agree that for many years if you hear of a rumor, then it was likely not to happen.

But we heard when Kyrie wanted out that we were one of three teams in the mix to get him. And boom...we got it done.

There is no way Toronto accepts THJ/Homes/Green and a first, but that's just an opening bid. I'm not sure even our best offer gets it done though. Atlanta has the best package to offer.

Dallas41 · 01-01-2024, 09:51 PM

Green, Hardy, Williams and Holmes + 1st for Siakam

I'm not sure why Williams isn't being discussed. With Siakam the mavs no longer need Williams.

Exum imo has replaced Hardy and DJJ has replaced Green.

I hope the mavs don't over value their guys like they always do when it comes to most trades.

Lively
Siakam
Exum
Kyrie
Luka

That lineup is a legit top 4 seed out west

You still got bench flexibility with DJJ, THJ and Kleber once healthy.

OMAX may also start to get more minutes.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-01-2024, 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Green, Hardy, Williams and Holmes + 1st for Siakam

I'm not sure why Williams isn't being discussed. With Siakam the mavs no longer need Williams.

Exum imo has replaced Hardy and DJJ has replaced Green.

I hope the mavs don't over value their guys like they always do when it comes to most trades.

Lively
Siakam
Exum
Kyrie
Luka

That lineup is a legit top 4 seed out west

You still got bench flexibility with DJJ, THJ and Kleber once healthy.

OMAX may also start to get more minutes.

I can't see why Toronto would have any interest in Williams. Guy sucks.

EricaLubarsky · 01-01-2024, 10:00 PM

Hardy +1
Lively 0

No one else positive

Exum now injured

EricaLubarsky · 01-01-2024, 10:03 PM

Fonteccio outplaying Luka

EricaLubarsky · 01-01-2024, 10:12 PM

Can?t get over 43% free throw shooting

EricaLubarsky · 01-01-2024, 10:19 PM

Mavs aren?t worth watching

EricaLubarsky · 01-01-2024, 10:25 PM

We love getting burned by spares

Grayson Allen
Chris Paul
Jarrett All?n
Now fonteccio

SMC0007 · 01-01-2024, 11:58 PM

Grant, Maxi, DP are all throw away players.
Thj, Hardy, Green aren't very valuable.

The only legit asset we have is Kyrie and I dont see FO trading him. Other than him, we aren't getting a big worth a shit.

Id fire Kidds ass tonight if I were Cuban, but that wont make any of our guys any taller. Firing him is the only hope we have because he is definitely not getting the most out of this roster

saclare · 01-02-2024, 11:31 AM

Get bigger and better at rebounding or the season is toast. Defense would be a plus, I just want this team to be more competitive at rebounding first as that's an easier problem to solve IMO

Size is the obvious need, and then perhaps some introspection and effort...

SMC0007 · 01-02-2024, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saclare

Get bigger and better at rebounding or the season is toast. Defense would be a plus, I just want this team to be more competitive at rebounding first as that's an easier problem to solve IMO

Size is the obvious need, and then perhaps some introspection and effort...

I would be inclined to agree except, we are toast already.

I hate to say it, but Kai is a blessing and a curse, for us. He isn't helping our defense or rebounding and he isnt agressive enough. His poise is nice, but when Luka is having the occasional off game, he needs to pick it WAY up. Even if he was able to to that, we still need more balance.

saclare · 01-02-2024, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I would be inclined to agree except, we are toast already.

I hate to say it, but Kai is a blessing and a curse, for us. He isn't helping our defense or rebounding and he isnt agressive enough. His poise is nice, but when Luka is having the occasional off game, he needs to pick it WAY up. Even if he was able to to that, we still need more balance.

I disagree, very much a salvageable season and perhaps they knew they would be moving to make in-season moves. Not my preference, but here we are...

I also don't agree on Kyrie. I've seen when it works out, but it was always dependent on health, and for the most part, it's been fine on that front. Thanks to Dwight Powell, the entire budding chemistry took a 12-game hit and that was reset. I still have hope that Kyrie will be the #2 option he can be and will eventually be able to let Luka get breathers and take time off.

All that said, it's moot unless the big man rotation improves, and it might take a drastic improvement tbh

Love the idea of Siakam, but not seeing how we get there and concerned about the future given he's a FA and will be needing a big contract to stay. Perhaps there's a play here in trading Kyrie in the offseason and re-signing Siakam, I dunno...

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-02-2024, 06:15 PM

Rumor that Toronto wants win-now players in their rotation, so maybe they would be open to Exum. They also want 2 firsts.

Stein said Mavs weren't that interested, but he is the best player available so far. Gotta keep discussing it.

SMC0007 · 01-02-2024, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saclare

I disagree, very much a salvageable season and perhaps they knew they would be moving to make in-season moves. Not my preference, but here we are...

I also don't agree on Kyrie. I've seen when it works out, but it was always dependent on health, and for the most part, it's been fine on that front. Thanks to Dwight Powell, the entire budding chemistry took a 12-game hit and that was reset. I still have hope that Kyrie will be the #2 option he can be and will eventually be able to let Luka get breathers and take time off.

All that said, it's moot unless the big man rotation improves, and it might take a drastic improvement tbh

Love the idea of Siakam, but not seeing how we get there and concerned about the future given he's a FA and will be needing a big contract to stay. Perhaps there's a play here in trading Kyrie in the offseason and re-signing Siakam, I dunno...

Idk what salvageable is, I guess. I figured id settle this season like many others did with
Just give us some exciting basketball. We have all listed reasons why we arent contenders so theres no need to list them again.

We dont have enough for Siakam unless you are talking Kyrie and that seems like too many moving parts to even day dream about. We do need someone that can play big. Otherwise we just need to decide what type of cooked bread we prefer.

SMC0007 · 01-02-2024, 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Rumor that Toronto wants win-now players in their rotation, so maybe they would be open to Exum. They also want 2 firsts.

Stein said Mavs weren't that interested, but he is the best player available so far. Gotta keep discussing it.

Isnt this what we do most times? Reach out to the most unattainable player and then handle the inevitable rejection with "well we weren't really that interested anyway". Then miss out on very usable players that we should have pivoted to immediately.

Just keep DP off the floor before someone else accidentally gets injured again. Lets see more exciting basketball every other game and deal with the absolute fn duds in between.

saclare · 01-03-2024, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Idk what salvageable is, I guess. I figured id settle this season like many others did with
Just give us some exciting basketball. We have all listed reasons why we arent contenders so theres no need to list them again.

We dont have enough for Siakam unless you are talking Kyrie and that seems like too many moving parts to even day dream about. We do need someone that can play big. Otherwise we just need to decide what type of cooked bread we prefer.

I meant they can still contend this year, but it takes some more moves.

I'm starting to think they didn't like any deals in the offseason and thought they could make something happen at the deadline. Dumbass approach, but it makes sense with the timeline of events. They're extremely lucky that Lively is this playable early on or it would all be a disaster.

Seriously, the problem has been there now going on three seasons (could argue all the way back to losing Chandler, but I digress...). Even I will start to get really perturbed if they stand pat over the next month and a half.

saclare · 01-03-2024, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Isnt this what we do most times? Reach out to the most unattainable player and then handle the inevitable rejection with "well we weren't really that interested anyway". Then miss out on very usable players that we should have pivoted to immediately.

Just keep DP off the floor before someone else accidentally gets injured again. Lets see more exciting basketball every other game and deal with the absolute fn duds in between.

Def agree here. Make moves ahead of the curve...but it does take two to tango, and sometimes three. Still, don't sit on your hands seeing if they will eventually take the offer for a Siakam when a Stewart or Drummond or others can be had and can start helping to win games now.

purplefrog · 01-03-2024, 02:08 PM

I thought the MBT might make a move to trade for John Collins last summer. They ended up with Grant. I am guessing both teams have buyer's remorse. Perhaps a change of scenery would help all parties involved. Grant + Holmes for Collins is not far-fetched given JC's bloated contract. Jazz might reason that it would be easier to dump GW's $14M contract than Collins $25M or just the change in system would somehow ignite the energy lacking in Grant . Mavs might be thinking JC would help with rebounding and be as potent as GW from beyond the arc. I would rather trade GW for Olynyk but it appears there will be a lot of competition for KO. This is the kind of trade that seems more likely than somehow getting Siakam.

EricaLubarsky · 01-03-2024, 02:11 PM

35 days