Combined GDTs for this sh$#show

[JTmoney2424]

Originally Posted by BPo001

How do you call a foul? What a fucking flop.

It almost seemed like Trae turned his back right into Kai to initiate the contact too.

[EricaLubarsky]

BRAVO!

[JTmoney2424]

Fitting end there for a garbage team.

[JTmoney2424]

Luka is the king of of taking awful shots at the end of regulation. 1.8 is enough To make a Quick move and shoot but he takes the most difficult shots every single time.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by JTmoney2424

Luka is the king of of taking awful shots at the end of regulation. 1.8 is enough To make a Quick move and shoot but he takes the most difficult shots every single time.

I honestly wanted the ball in kyrie's hand

Luka did a number of dumb shit on offense this game going back to his fat ass on that fast break blowing the layup because he allowed the defender to catch up to him

[twistaeffect2004]

Hoping management at least sees what we can get for Luka this offseason.

[Melonhead]

How tf is that what you draw up with 1.8 sec left? I mean Luka had no choice, but damn what a stupid spot to pass the ball in

[Amarelooms]

Thank
God. Fools trying to win

[Dallas41]

Fucking idiot foul because young had no where to go

What will get lost in thar defeat is the fact that Kidd fucking used the best lineup for this team at the last fucking moment

He finally benched THJ and Powell

But those damn missed FT's by wood and Luka once again bit this team in the ass

[DevinHarriswillstart]

There is some hope now. Every loss gets more of a chance for Kidd to be gone and a top ten pick. Victory!

[Amarelooms]

Are we top 8 pick yet?

[Dallas41]

Fat boy took 12 out 21 shots from 3 point land and made only 3

While kyrie was trying his best to get this win fatboy was out there huffing and puffing settling for I'll advised 3's because it was too much effort to try and drive the ball occasionally

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Fat boy took 12 out 21 shots from 3 point land and made only 3

While kyrie was trying his best to get this win fatboy was out there huffing and puffing settling for I'll advised 3's because it was too much effort to try and drive the ball occasionally

Luka has checked out with most of the team. Coach checked out 20 games into the season.

I commend Kyrie's effort, but it's pointless to be trying to win games at this point.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Luka has checked out with most of the team. Coach checked out 20 games into the season.

I commend Kyrie's effort, but it's pointless to be trying to win games at this point.

Not really pointless because OKC doesn't seem to be separating either.

Minnesota ain't that much better

I personally don't think the mavs will keep their pick win or lose games

It maybe too late but I actually enjoyed the lineup of Mcgee, wood, green, Luka and kyrie minus the missed ft's by wood and Luka

That was the best the mavs looked all year in competing on the glass

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

I personally don't think the mavs will keep their pick win or lose games

Are you a lottery ball?

[Dallas41]

Waited way too late in the season to play him.

MMB
JaVale McGee was fun
Jason Kidd is notoriously stubborn with his lineups, but he deserves his props for keeping the Mavericks? best lineup on the floor for the latter portion of the game. This lineup featured McGee at center, who shifted the entire energy of the game when he was inserted with Dallas down 15 in the third. He had the highest plus/minus on the team (+13) and made plays when Dallas needed him to. It seems no one on the team can solve their paint issues, but McGee at least provided an energy and presence that no other big on the team has. There are three games left and no reason for Dallas to not play their big off-season signing. McGee minutes could bring some fun to a dreary end to Dallas? season.

[FreshJive]

It?s going to be hilarious if the Mavs win the protest, and have to replay the final quarter of the GS game, while needing to lose it again.

[BPo001]

There are a lot of body-shamers in Atlanta and they decided to go all-in on Luka Doncic during Sunday?s marquee matchup. According to Mavs beat reporter Grant Afseth, the home crowd started chanting ?You are fat? as Doncic was at the free-throw line. The Mavs superstar has been criticized in the past for being a bit overweight, and the Hawks fans mercilessly brought up this issue at an opportune time. ? via Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by BPo001

There are a lot of body-shamers in Atlanta and they decided to go all-in on Luka Doncic during Sunday?s marquee matchup. According to Mavs beat reporter Grant Afseth, the home crowd started chanting ?You are fat? as Doncic was at the free-throw line. The Mavs superstar has been criticized in the past for being a bit overweight, and the Hawks fans mercilessly brought up this issue at an opportune time. ? via Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points

Man, must've been a riot until you realize who plays PG for the Hawks.

And Atlanta is like the fat capital of the world so that's cute.

[tap2390]

Luka is 24 and at his best when he's pissed off. Missing playoffs and hearing 'fat' chants has to hurt. I'm choosing to believe that this season will piss him off and he will come back next highly motivated and in better shape.

I also choose to believe we will retain our pick and use it, fire Kidd, sign some defensive players, re-sign Kyrie, and come back next year with a vengeance. Could be my copium pipe. Giannis won at 26, LeBron won at 27... Luka WILL follow suit.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by tap2390

Luka is 24 and at his best when he's pissed off. Missing playoffs and hearing 'fat' chants has to hurt. I'm choosing to believe that this season will piss him off and he will come back next highly motivated and in better shape.

I also choose to believe we will retain our pick and use it, fire Kidd, sign some defensive players, re-sign Kyrie, and come back next year with a vengeance. Could be my copium pipe. Giannis won at 26, LeBron won at 27... Luka WILL follow suit.

Luka should be pissed off. He's not fit enough to carry a team of scrubs by himself and thats what he must assume he will have to do with our FO and Coach. He's not fit enough to move laterally to keep up with any one 1v1 defensively on a consistent basis. If he wants to win, he must be a specimen physically and have incredible cardio.

If Kidd is fired, I'll be shocked. Pleasantly.

Pessimism in me says, Kyrie gone, Wood gone, Kidd here. Lesser but different team next season.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Luka should be pissed off. He's not fit enough to carry a team of scrubs by himself and thats what he must assume he will have to do with our FO and Coach. He's not fit enough to move laterally to keep up with any one 1v1 defensively on a consistent basis. If he wants to win, he must be a specimen physically and have incredible cardio.

If Kidd is fired, I'll be shocked. Pleasantly.

Pessimism in me says, Kyrie gone, Wood gone, Kidd here. Lesser but different team next season.

Don't forget Powell starting, giving the 11th pick, trading Hardy, and bringing Green off the bench for 12 mpg. Sound about right.

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Luka should be pissed off. He's not fit enough to carry a team of scrubs by himself and thats what he must assume he will have to do with our FO and Coach. He's not fit enough to move laterally to keep up with any one 1v1 defensively on a consistent basis. If he wants to win, he must be a specimen physically and have incredible cardio.

Luka WAS fit at the start of the year. He does seem 'fat' now. Players don't get fat during the season. This must be related to the off court issues he mentioned.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by BPo001

There are a lot of body-shamers in Atlanta and they decided to go all-in on Luka Doncic during Sunday?s marquee matchup. According to Mavs beat reporter Grant Afseth, the home crowd started chanting ?You are fat? as Doncic was at the free-throw line. The Mavs superstar has been criticized in the past for being a bit overweight, and the Hawks fans mercilessly brought up this issue at an opportune time. ? via Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points

Imagine if the home crowd finally let's him hear it.

That would really sink in and get him to start taking his conditioning seriously.

The hone crowd should also call out Cuban for once but they won't. He'll continue to get his sell outs regardless of the product on the floor because he market Luka

[washedklean77]

Originally Posted by BPo001

There are a lot of body-shamers in Atlanta and they decided to go all-in on Luka Doncic during Sunday?s marquee matchup. According to Mavs beat reporter Grant Afseth, the home crowd started chanting ?You are fat? as Doncic was at the free-throw line. The Mavs superstar has been criticized in the past for being a bit overweight, and the Hawks fans mercilessly brought up this issue at an opportune time. ? via Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points

There's a better than average chance that those chanting "fat" in the ATL fall into the category below. Oh the irony...

State Georgia
Adult obesity rate 32.3%
Pop. Over 20 with diabetes 12.0%
Adults in poor or fair health 18.4%
Adults who don't exercise regularly 26.4%

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Shams reporting the Mavs might shut down Kyrie and Luka for the remaining games. .

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Shams reporting the Mavs might shut down Kyrie and Luka for the remaining games. .

So they can't be blamed for accidentally winning

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

So they can't be blamed for accidentally winning

Watch Hardy and Green get us to the play-in only to be benched for Luka and Kyrie to lose the game and give up the 12th pick.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Watch Hardy and Green get us to the play-in only to be benched for Luka and Kyrie to lose the game and give up the 12th pick.

Not a chance we make play-in.

Yet, I dont think Luka and Kyrie will be shut down yet. Lose on Wednesday ans they might. However, there is also rumor of Kyrie testing FA this offseason, which I have no clue if it's remotely valid or not... but I totally buy that. Not a snowballs chance in hell Kyrie is here long term.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Watch Hardy and Green get us to the play-in only to be benched for Luka and Kyrie to lose the game and give up the 12th pick.

Hardy needs to get into a gym this summer and work on contested layups and defense

These last two games for him has been brutal especially on the defensive end of the floor

Dude loses his man constantly and looks lost when it comes to rotations or close outs

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by Dallas41

Hardy needs to get into a gym this summer and work on contested layups and defense

These last two games for him has been brutal especially on the defensive end of the floor

Dude loses his man constantly and looks lost when it comes to rotations or close outs

JB had that same problem defensively. Always lost track of his man or late on rotations. Luka has the same problem. If you listen to Kyrie talk about of defensive scheme, paraphrasing, he says it's complicated and it forces everyone to scramble the entire posession. It's hard to rotate and recover from PnR which is sad because it's thr most basic play in the sport.

We need an experienced defensive minded coach who has influence on Nico and Cuban.

[BigDog63]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Shams reporting the Mavs might shut down Kyrie and Luka for the remaining games. .

When they're not yet eliminated? Thunder magic number is 2. It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility, given each team's schedule

Although...who knows, team might be more likely to win?

[SMC0007]

I like that they called him fat. Not butt-hurt at all about it. You don't like it? Get fit. They don't call Gianis that. You want to shut them up? Beat them.

We want Luka mad. It's the only chance we have of him coming back in the best shape ever.

[Dallas41]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

I like that they called him fat. Not butt-hurt at all about it. You don't like it? Get fit. They don't call Gianis that. You want to shut them up? Beat them.

We want Luka mad. It's the only chance we have of him coming back in the best shape ever.

I'm with you on this 100%

Everyone forgets that JJ Barrea was the 1st guy who called out Luka regarding his conditioning


JJ said the sky's the limit for Luka if he could dedicate himself to conditioning

But here we are 3-4"years later and Luka still hasn't fully dedicated himself like giannis to a workout program

I think it hurts him defensively because he can't move consistently with effort because he's fucking huffing and puffing

[saclare]

It's a personnel issue for this team more than scheme. They did just fine last year with some obviously different pieces. DFS was more important to it all than what most gave credit for. Still, the glaring issue was interior presence for either defense or rebounding, preferably both, but they don't grow on trees. I think the FO could have gotten a LOT more creative when solving for this last offseason.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

Originally Posted by saclare

Still, the glaring issue was interior presence for either defense or rebounding, preferably both, but they don't grow on trees. I think the FO could have gotten a LOT more creative when solving for this last offseason.

But the FO, at the very least, did address it by signing McGee. Had he been given Phx's role, then this might be a very different season.

Kidd just wouldn't play him. I'm not really sure ANY center would have succeeded under him unless it was Embiid or Jokic.

We have this toxic combination of not good big men combined with a coach that doesn't have any clue how to use a big man. That's never going to work.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

But the FO, at the very least, did address it by signing McGee. Had he been given Phx's role, then this might be a very different season.

Kidd just wouldn't play him. I'm not really sure ANY center would have succeeded under him unless it was Embiid or Jokic.

We have this toxic combination of not good big men combined with a coach that doesn't have any clue how to use a big man. That's never going to work.

Originally Posted by SMC0007

IMO it doesn't matter what is more to blame scheme or players. We lost JB who was NOT a good defender. We lost Dorian who was decent defender but we sucked with him too this season. He was our best defender but that's not saying much, he wasnt stopping anybody.

We replaced JB with Wood which should net you more boards, but the dude came off the bench and it negated the potential extra rebounding.

I think it's equal parts interior presence as it is perimeter defense and scheme. We got blown off thr dribble a ton. Bigs come away from the basket and the fiasco ensues. How many times have we failed to defend simple PnR? Scrambling to rotate is inevitable, but damn, we are constantly trying to catch up and guys have to collectively make instant decisions on where to go. In crunch time, games where we almost always lost this season, none of our guards or forwards can defend. We can't even slow down the attack. Not even when we had Dorian.

If McGee was our answer, then the FO massively failed, is basically what I'm trying to say. I have doubts that Kidd is the issue when I look at what is being provided to work with...it's been an issue for the Mavs ever since Tyson Chandler left. Rick Carlisle would have the same struggles...

As for DFS, he is an above average defender at the very worst. I'm simply not buying into anything else. He may have looked worse this year but that was simply due to the overall team and team defense struggling.

I can give some credit to the perimeter defense being too passive and leading to some of the interior defense's flaws. But then again, it's the same scheme and personnel as last season, minus DFS. What's the rub? It was definitely better with him here than without, but not to a championship level or even to the level of last year.

I still firmly believe that the Mavs as a whole have devalued both the PF and C spots for more than a decade now. They were at their peak with a competent, starting center with wings to fill in. Even Marion can be duplicated due to his age.

I think if Luka and Kyrie buy into defense a bit more (which the latter seems engaged), then this team can get there. Still need to add a defensive first wing to help when guys go down. But you can definitely start with Bullock and Green and go from there on the wing. The biggest shortfall of this team is the big man and lack of true production.

[SMC0007]

Originally Posted by saclare

If McGee was our answer, then the FO massively failed, is basically what I'm trying to say. I have doubts that Kidd is the issue when I look at what is being provided to work with...it's been an issue for the Mavs ever since Tyson Chandler left. Rick Carlisle would have the same struggles...

As for DFS, he is an above average defender at the very worst. I'm simply not buying into anything else. He may have looked worse this year but that was simply due to the overall team and team defense struggling.

I can give some credit to the perimeter defense being too passive and leading to some of the interior defense's flaws. But then again, it's the same scheme and personnel as last season, minus DFS. What's the rub? It was definitely better with him here than without, but not to a championship level or even to the level of last year.

I still firmly believe that the Mavs as a whole have devalued both the PF and C spots for more than a decade now. They were at their peak with a competent, starting center with wings to fill in. Even Marion can be duplicated due to his age.

I think if Luka and Kyrie buy into defense a bit more (which the latter seems engaged), then this team can get there. Still need to add a defensive first wing to help when guys go down. But you can definitely start with Bullock and Green and go from there on the wing. The biggest shortfall of this team is the big man and lack of true production.

Dorian is a decent defender. Nothing more, nothing less. Even if we disagree, it doesn't matter because we sucked before he left. He also provided little to nothing on offense.

The perimeter being too passive? Man, that's a pretty word for sucks. They stink at keeping their man remotely in front of them. Yes, clearly we don't have a shotblocker, or natural rebounder, so the whole thing falls apart. Perimeter issues are not just Luka. It's KY, Josh, Bullock, literally everyone.

If you can't defend basic PnR and Any screen causes massive scrambling chaos and the "bigs" are caught out of position, you have a flawed system. You can put Turner in DPs place and we will still have issues if we don't make adjustments.

If you don't already, please record the game tomorrow, rewind some of our defensive possessions and watch where we fall apart. I can't count the times I've watched in slo-mo, simple PnR at the top, the big and guard/wing poorly position themselves and its a layup. Otherwise we have Luka or Timmy especially sagging way down out of position to get back to their man in the corner yet still never in position to defend the roll. Top that off with most of our g/f standing around never looking for a guy to box out.

Top priority is clearly a Big as far as on court upgrades go, but it sure feels sketchy because you can't trust Kidd to manage the lineups and rotation. You definitely can't trust him to make adjustments and beat many other coaches at X and Os.

[saclare]

Originally Posted by SMC0007

Dorian is a decent defender. Nothing more, nothing less. Even if we disagree, it doesn't matter because we sucked before he left. He also provided little to nothing on offense.

The perimeter being too passive? Man, that's a pretty word for sucks. They stink at keeping their man remotely in front of them. Yes, clearly we don't have a shotblocker, or natural rebounder, so the whole thing falls apart. Perimeter issues are not just Luka. It's KY, Josh, Bullock, literally everyone.

If you can't defend basic PnR and Any screen causes massive scrambling chaos and the "bigs" are caught out of position, you have a flawed system. You can put Turner in DPs place and we will still have issues if we don't make adjustments.

If you don't already, please record the game tomorrow, rewind some of our defensive possessions and watch where we fall apart. I can't count the times I've watched in slo-mo, simple PnR at the top, the big and guard/wing poorly position themselves and its a layup. Otherwise we have Luka or Timmy especially sagging way down out of position to get back to their man in the corner yet still never in position to defend the roll. Top that off with most of our g/f standing around never looking for a guy to box out.

Top priority is clearly a Big as far as on court upgrades go, but it sure feels sketchy because you can't trust Kidd to manage the lineups and rotation. You definitely can't trust him to make adjustments and beat many other coaches at X and Os.

Please...we will disagree on DFS. I think you and DHWS are way off on the type of player DFS is and will continue to be. This year is all you guys are using for your argument and that's not remotely fair given the state of both teams he's played for this year. Let's just toss everything else we know about DFS out the window while we are at it.

DFS may have looked worse this year but that's on the team. You can seriously sit here and argue our defense has been better since he was traded? He was possibly the one holding it all together for all we know.

Perimeter passive, defense shit. Semantics. Bottom line is the PNR might appear to be easy to defend. Question, who defends the PNR best in NBA? Hell, night in and night out, we see Luka and Kyrie demolishing the PNR. Not sure anyone is...but if you want to dive into our guards, they tend to lazily bend around the top of the screens since they don't wanna be the guy to give up the three. That then sends the rest of the defense into the cover up, chicken with their heads cut off, type of scrambling Kyrie mentions. They need to regroup personnel and get back to switching more often as this league is riddled with guys who can pick a part defenses in the PNR.

No need to record, I watch every game. I'll see the same thing. But one thing we will be vastly apart on is your insinuation that this team and its defense would be the same if we swapped Powell with Turner. I just simply don't know how to respond to that...

Simple premise is when you have a guy like Turner, it creates a subset of thinking to the offense that there's a legit threat down low to help cover for these busts. Don't get me wrong, they can't continue at the rate, but it would be a better defense with Turner roaming the paint.

[FreshJive]

Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

But the FO, at the very least, did address it by signing McGee.

It?s amazing how fucking wrong the majority of ya?ll can be before, during, and after the fact on all of this shit.