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FiZth · 01-28-2011, 11:41 AM

How was Pavlovic defense?

SMC0007 · 01-28-2011, 11:48 AM

I can't complain, Great game Chandler! I'll take 21/15 from a Dallas center all day. Hell and he had several bad calls on him defensively.

Chandler and JJB have been great lately.

Underdog · 01-28-2011, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by FiZth

How was Pavlovic defense?

Sporadic.

He had a a couple of tipped-out passes and beautiful steal that he ran up the court for a dunk, but he also struggled to find position in the zone at times.

Underdog · 01-28-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by JHT

Starting to think Dirk's cursed this year. Such a bummer.

Just working the kinks out in the regular season....

BGMaverick9 · 01-28-2011, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Sporadic.

He had a a couple of tipped-out passes and beautiful steal that he ran up the court for a dunk, but he also struggled to find position in the zone at times.

He's been better than I thought he would be. He's pretty fluid, non herky-jeryky, as he gets into the lane and he has shown he can do different things when he gets in the lane. He can dish the ball a variety of ways, he can hit a jump and he can airball a shot.

If he does not stay, I think it is because they want to maintain roster flexibility.

j0Shi · 01-28-2011, 12:20 PM

We should have an All-Star in Chandler so no need for Dirk to show up.

As for January and 'D':

OFG%: 47.9% (27th)
DefEff: 108.49 (25th)
OrebA: 10.9 (18th)
Reb: 37.8 (27th)
RebMargin: -4.2 (24th)
Blk: 3.8 (27th)
Stl: 6.0 (24th)

I mean ... wtf ... it is not only slipping away but we are suddenly among the worst defensive teams in the league.

Kidd Karma · 01-28-2011, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

We should have an All-Star in Chandler so no need for Dirk to show up.

As for January and 'D':

OFG%: 47.9% (27th)
DefEff: 108.49 (25th)
OrebA: 10.9 (18th)
Reb: 37.8 (27th)
RebMargin: -4.2 (24th)
Blk: 3.8 (27th)
Stl: 6.0 (24th)

I mean ... wtf ... it is not only slipping away but we are suddenly among the worst defensive teams in the league.

Dirk and Tyson both deserve the call, I think Dirk would have to miss the game before the ASG to pull out of the game. I think Kobe tried to get out to rest his finger a couple seasons ago, but couldn't since he played in the game before the ASG, Stern's pretty tough on this, since this is his bonus reward to sponsors.

Underdog · 01-28-2011, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

We should have an All-Star in Chandler so no need for Dirk to show up.

As for January and 'D':

OFG%: 47.9% (27th)
DefEff: 108.49 (25th)
OrebA: 10.9 (18th)
Reb: 37.8 (27th)
RebMargin: -4.2 (24th)
Blk: 3.8 (27th)
Stl: 6.0 (24th)

I mean ... wtf ... it is not only slipping away but we are suddenly among the worst defensive teams in the league.

Losing 2 starters will do that to you - Dirk still isn't 100% and Butler's production (on both ends of the floor) still hasn't been replaced.

dude1394 · 01-28-2011, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

If Dirk is still in the same state in a week or 10 days, do you start consider sitting him for the ASG so he can get 5-7 days off?

I don't want Pop running Dirk's ass for 35 minutes for no reason.

If dirk goes to the all-star game and actually suits up with this knee I will be pissed off. It's irresponsible.

mavs777 · 01-28-2011, 12:34 PM

Center in the west ranking

TC leads west centers in rebounds per 48 minutes, TC leads the west centers in FT %, and if he qualified he would lead west centers in FG% (need to be on pace to make 300 FG he is on pace for about 280)

dude1394 · 01-28-2011, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

He's been better than I thought he would be. He's pretty fluid, non herky-jeryky, as he gets into the lane and he has shown he can do different things when he gets in the lane. He can dish the ball a variety of ways, he can hit a jump and he can airball a shot.

If he does not stay, I think it is because they want to maintain roster flexibility.

If he doesn't stay I think they may have some issues. They are still really short "tall-wing-wise" with guys who can actually handle the ball out there. Steve is okay..but marion is not. Peja?? I haven't seen him in a while...

I guess they could just cut him if they found someone else...but cutting him just in case...I don't know.

j0Shi · 01-28-2011, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

Losing 2 starters will do that to you - Dirk still isn't 100% and Butler's production (on both ends of the floor) still hasn't been replaced.

Reasons are obvious and by just spectating the recent games you got the idea that our defense has slipped. But I wasn't aware that the actual numbers were THAT bad

Funkman · 01-28-2011, 12:46 PM

Talked to a Mav staffer after the game last night. He mentioned that he got the impression it wasn't looking good for Pavlovic hanging around. That he hadn't impressed much since the Laker game. That Peja seemed ok health wise, they just wanted to get him a bit more up to speed with the sets and plays. They were going through sets the other day and Peja seemed lost. He said Cardinal hollered to him " If you don't know where to go, just go to the corner, someone will find you."

I mentioned Cardinal and that his contract was guaranteed for the year so he probably wouldn't be going even though that money they would eat wouldn't be that great in perspective. He said the biggest thing Cardinal had going for him that would keep him here is his lockerroom presence. I know they Mavs are big on that, but hadn't heard that about Cardinal before.

Kidd Karma · 01-28-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Funkman

Talked to a Mav staffer after the game last night. He mentioned that he got the impression it wasn't looking good for Pavlovic hanging around. That he hadn't impressed much since the Laker game. That Peja seemed ok health wise, they just wanted to get him a bit more up to speed with the sets and plays. They were going through sets the other day and Peja seemed lost. He said Cardinal hollered to him " If you don't know where to go, just go to the corner, someone will find you."

I mentioned Cardinal and that his contract was guaranteed for the year so he probably wouldn't be going even though that money they would eat wouldn't be that great in perspective. He said the biggest thing Cardinal had going for him that would keep him here is his lockerroom presence. I know they Mavs are big on that, but hadn't heard that about Cardinal before.

I guess Cardinal gives us those off the court intangibles. Looks like we're probably going with the roster flex and let Sasha go.

j0Shi · 01-28-2011, 01:11 PM

And you have to think that this would be the right decision. Seriously ... if we can't get a better starting SF than Sasha we are screwed anyway.

LonghornDub · 01-28-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

We should have an All-Star in Chandler so no need for Dirk to show up.

As for January and 'D':

OFG%: 47.9% (27th)
DefEff: 108.49 (25th)
OrebA: 10.9 (18th)
Reb: 37.8 (27th)
RebMargin: -4.2 (24th)
Blk: 3.8 (27th)
Stl: 6.0 (24th)

I mean ... wtf ... it is not only slipping away but we are suddenly among the worst defensive teams in the league.

Blocks and steals mean very little to me. The other stats are horrendously disappointing, rebounding most of all.

And I still don't think it can be blamed solely on injuries.

sefant77 · 01-28-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rabbitproof

If Dirk is still in the same state in a week or 10 days, do you start consider sitting him for the ASG so he can get 5-7 days off?

I don't want Pop running Dirk's ass for 35 minutes for no reason.

If his knee is bothering him he will talk to Pop and play his sporadic minutes and sit then beside Duncan for 40 minutes...

mavs777 · 01-28-2011, 01:26 PM

Guess we got to go to Marion with the game on the line

Kidd Karma · 01-28-2011, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by j0Shi

And you have to think that this would be the right decision. Seriously ... if we can't get a better starting SF than Sasha we are screwed anyway.

Sasha was not consistent enough, overall he was average, it's a numbers game, now it's Peja's time to "audition" for the spot, if he fails, we'll probably look to swing a deal.

mavs777 · 01-28-2011, 01:42 PM

Sasha was here to be a placeholder, nothing more nothing less

Underdog · 01-28-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

Blocks and steals mean very little to me. The other stats are horrendously disappointing, rebounding most of all.

And I still don't think it can be blamed solely on injuries.

I think the injuries influence every aspect of our defensive decline - it's a domino effect, especially when you're playing zone.

You lose a player, the scheme suddenly operates differently, somebody doesn't fit in as well as they used to, they get frustrated, it affects the guy next to him, and so on...

Kidd Karma · 01-28-2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sefant77

If his knee is bothering him he will talk to Pop and play his sporadic minutes and sit then beside Duncan for 40 minutes...

Kidd played 6 minutes last year.

j0Shi · 01-28-2011, 02:21 PM

Dunno how you feel about it, but especially in this game our guys seemed to sacrifice defense for offense. Because nearly everything worked out in that first quarter we were constantly pushing the ball and therefore playing into Houstons hands. Right now where Dirk is clearly not at 100%, Butler missing and Roddy still a week or so away it is important to understand that 30+ quarters are godsend. 47 in the second half seems just about what we are capable of doing right now.
At one point in a season people seemed to agree that the players bought into the defensive importance. That is why I don't understand why we out of the sudden stop competing on the defensive end, cause it might be more important than ever.

Dtownsfinest · 01-28-2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

I find it a bit weird that you "don't care" what Barea does because it won't last long, but you're "intrigued" by Chandler dropping 20 and 15.

Because i've seen this from Barea before. I never followed Chandler's career before he got here but I always thought of him as a shotblocking and rebounding guy who had no offensive game. I've seen two games now of 20 and 10. He's not the offensive liability Dampier is. I'd like to see more. When Roddy comes back i'd like to see Barea's minutes decline. Chandler putting up 20 and 10 is more believable than Barea continuing to shoot 9 for 12 from the field.

LonghornDub · 01-28-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Underdog

I think the injuries influence every aspect of our defensive decline - it's a domino effect, especially when you're playing zone.

You lose a player, the scheme suddenly operates differently, somebody doesn't fit in as well as they used to, they get frustrated, it affects the guy next to him, and so on...

I don't think there's any question that if you remove the injuries, we don't see anywhere near this level of defensive decline. But at the same time, we should have a defensive system (and a defensively minded confidence and attitude) in place that prevents us from reverting to one of the 10 worst defensive teams in the league after a couple key injuries. We should at least be able to hover around "average" without a full roster, IMO. Several elite defensive teams throughout this decade managed to field a serviceable defense (and thus still win a lot of games) without their key guys.

I think you're right about the zone, but using zone so much in the first place is a sign of defensive weakness, IMO. It's a nice change of pace, but I think we rely on it way too much to be a truly elite defense.

All this talk early-season about us being an elite defense made me uncomfortable. I don't think you can be a consistently elite defense with what we have on the perimeter defensively. I just don't think it's possible, even with Tyson and a fully healthy roster.

All that being said, the bigger problem is still offense.

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Because i've seen this from Barea before. I never followed Chandler's career before he got here but I always thought of him as a shotblocking and rebounding guy who had no offensive game. I've seen two games now of 20 and 10. He's not the offensive liability Dampier is. I'd like to see more. When Roddy comes back i'd like to see Barea's minutes decline. Chandler putting up 20 and 10 is more believable than Barea continuing to shoot 9 for 12 from the field.

Chandler is not going to consistently average 20/10, just like Barea is not going to average 75% shooting. The former isn't really any more believable than the latter.

And I just find the phrasing funny. Barea pretty much won the game for us last night, and you "don't care"? You didn't just say, "I don't expect this to continue," which would be totally fair. You explicitly said you "don't care." I find that strange, but also completely in line with the general attitude of the board.

Kidd Karma · 01-28-2011, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dtownsfinest

Because i've seen this from Barea before. I never followed Chandler's career before he got here but I always thought of him as a shotblocking and rebounding guy who had no offensive game. I've seen two games now of 20 and 10. He's not the offensive liability Dampier is. I'd like to see more. When Roddy comes back i'd like to see Barea's minutes decline. Chandler putting up 20 and 10 is more believable than Barea continuing to shoot 9 for 12 from the field.

Read that SI article of Tyson couple weeks back. The Bulls drafted him and Curry, coach wanted Tyson to focus on rebounding and blocking shots. He was roundly booed in Chicago for doing what coach wanted him to do. He got to NO, got a wide open look, passed it up, Scott tells him to shoot the ball.

mavs777 · 01-28-2011, 02:48 PM

Tyson is scoring because he frankly needs to right now, Dirk and Terry aren't playing that great, and Kidd has been ok of late, Sasha isn't going to score much for you, and Shawn is inconsistent. I wouldn't be surprised if he continues to be a bigger part of the offense till Roddy gets back

Kidd Karma · 01-28-2011, 03:26 PM

Tyson and Kidd both have to take their open shots, especially when the ball has work it's way around the court.

Underdog · 01-28-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LonghornDub

All that being said, the bigger problem is still offense.

Yep, not to mention that missed shots lead to fast breaks, which obviously affects our defense...

BGMaverick9 · 01-28-2011, 04:43 PM

just setting the table for another feature going up later tonight or early tomorrow.

Mahinmi has been getting minutes as of late, especially at the power forward position. Why is that the case...is it choreographed...does it feel any different for Ian to play at the 4 versus the 5?

After speaking with Carlisle and Mahinmi, MMB has all of the answers.

JHT · 01-28-2011, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dude1394

It's still his knee....

And this information is based on what?

I guess you know more than Bob Ortegal.

Anyone with real information? Because if his knee was the only thing wrong with him last night then it's getting worse instead of better?