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Kante · 01-15-2011, 10:16 PM

... the Mavs would be the worst team in the NBA by a wide margin!

Don´t know what to say, that is just horrible right now, every game it´s the same story. Mavs can´t score, can´t stop and are down by 13-15 points at some point and that´s it.

Who will the Mavs lose next to? Pistons, great...

Underdog · 01-15-2011, 10:19 PM

xrobx · 01-15-2011, 10:20 PM

if we can just stay at 26 wins we might be able to get a high draft pick

BGMaverick9 · 01-15-2011, 10:25 PM

The loss also set a new season-low in terms of overall point production for the Mavericks. The previous low was 76 points against the Toronto Raptors on December 28th. That statistic also ties a nice bow on the Nowitzki injury as the Raptors game was the first game Nowitzki sat out due to his knee injury.

DMOC · 01-15-2011, 10:28 PM

As usual Jason Kidd plays the most amount of minutes of anyone on the team.

AO41 · 01-15-2011, 10:28 PM

Well this has been a crazy downfall. The team can work its self back to being a good team, but if we dont move Butler or get someone else in here the Mavs that we saw early in the season are not coming back. We need a move to stay cmpetative, even with Dirk back IMO

Robillion · 01-15-2011, 10:30 PM

One of two things may happen from all the losing and volley ball ass pics.
1) we go into a state of denial every time the Mavs lose and can only think of volley ball girl ass in it's place.
or
2) every time we see volley ball girl ass we think of the Mavs losing.

Ill take #1 over 2, but still... here's to hoping this doesn't become a problem.

CadBane · 01-15-2011, 10:32 PM

Shotgun Walsh.

xrobx · 01-15-2011, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Robillion

One of two things may happen from all the losing and volley ball ass pics.
1) we go into a state of denial every time the Mavs lose and can only think of volley ball girl ass in it's place.
or
2) every time we see volley ball girl ass we think of the Mavs losing.

Ill take #1 over 2, but still... here's to hoping this doesn't become a problem.

feel free to post them when the mavs win too!

that's assuming we ever win another game, of course

Popeye · 01-15-2011, 10:35 PM

Does anybody believe Marc Gasol, Zach Randolph or Rudy Gay wouldn't be the 2nd best player on the Mavs team?

j0Shi · 01-15-2011, 10:35 PM

Ok .. now do this Orlando makover thing. It's about time ...

Popeye · 01-15-2011, 10:36 PM

Probably should change that to 2nd best scorer on the mavs team. I'd take Chandler over those guys for all around player, but he didn't play.

Underdog · 01-15-2011, 10:38 PM

I can has hot volleyball pics too???

Bayliss · 01-15-2011, 10:39 PM

Popeye, I agree on both counts. Man, when analysts and fans say how "deep" the Mavs are... I literally roll my eyes. The Mavs are not "deep".... The Mavs have one great player (Dirk)... two really good players (Chandler and Marion)... and a bunch of mediocre players to scrubs/potential guys....

Kante · 01-15-2011, 10:42 PM

Found this pic:

Just wanted to post a picture, too.

Usually Lurkin · 01-15-2011, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Popeye, I agree on both counts. Man, when analysts and fans say how "deep" the Mavs are... I literally roll my eyes. The Mavs are not "deep".... The Mavs have one great player (Dirk)... two really good players (Chandler and Marion)... and a bunch of mediocre players to scrubs/potential guys....

Wow, talk about impossible standard. Dirk, Caron, and Roddy are arguably 1st, 2nd, 3rd options on this team. Take the first three options off any team in the league, and they will not look deep.

How would SA look without Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli, or LA without Kobe, Pau, and Odom?

Bayliss · 01-15-2011, 10:48 PM

I included Dirk.

Caron aint walking through that door.

And Roddy is some fictitious person made up by Mav fans. Some Hungarian Mav got scared during the Mav game against SA and screamed out Roddy!

xrobx · 01-15-2011, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

Caron aint walking through that door.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICdXAmd1TWA

BGMaverick9 · 01-15-2011, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

I included Dirk.

Caron aint walking through that door.

And Roddy is some fictitious person made up by Mav fans. Some Hungarian Mav got scared during the Mav game against SA and screamed out Roddy!

Carlisle is drinking that kool-aid too then lol

Usually Lurkin · 01-15-2011, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

I included Dirk.

Caron aint walking through that door.

And Roddy is some fictitious person made up by Mav fans. Some Hungarian Mav got scared during the Mav game against SA and screamed out Roddy!

you're right then. If you pretend that Dirk is the only injured starter, then this team's starting lineup is a bunch of bench players. And the bench is a bunch of projects that should only play blowout garbage minutes.

Otherwise, (if you include Chandler), we're missing 4 of our starters.

tcat075 · 01-15-2011, 10:54 PM

Well, this team is not any fun right now.

Dirk will help because of his Dirkness, but something needs to happen. I don't know if its a trade or just Roddy coming back, but something needs to.

Let me remind everyone that its not Roddy's scoring that will help the offense the most upon his return, but his drive and kicks, his easy penetration, his ability to get into the lane creating shots for others. The Mavericks don't have and haven't had a player like this for a while. I know he's been sitting for a while, and it may be weeks before his full burst returns, but that thought it extremely appealing.

I really miss Caron.

Bayliss · 01-15-2011, 10:54 PM

So you firmly believe:

a) Roddy is coming back
b) Carlisle will not only play him but start him?

Underdog · 01-15-2011, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

So you firmly believe:

a) Roddy is coming back
b) Carlisle will not only play him but start him?

Lemme field this one:

a) Roddy is already healthy, he's just waiting for the right moment to make a dramatic entrance...

b) me and Rick both buy our icky from Josh Howard's ex-dealer and he tells me that RC plans on starting Roddy...

Popeye · 01-15-2011, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Usually Lurkin

Wow, talk about impossible standard. Dirk, Caron, and Roddy are arguably 1st, 2nd, 3rd options on this team. Take the first three options off any team in the league, and they will not look deep.

How would SA look without Duncan, Parker, and Ginobli, or LA without Kobe, Pau, and Odom?

First, Roddy and Caron are not Parker and Ginobili.

Second, the spurs would still be better than 2-8 without all 3 of those guys. They'd have George Hill, Neal, Jefferson, McDyess, and Blair. They'd bring Bonner and Splitter off the bench. They'd struggle but they wouldn't be this bad.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-15-2011, 11:02 PM

Caron was definitely underrated. No doubt.

But everything is fail right now outside of maybe Mahinimi (100% from the field). I feared today what would happen if we started losing WITH Dirk. We need to just give away Barea and Haywood. How can anyone NOT be done with those two? Jason Kidd...sigh.

Oh yeah and everyone calling for Dojo...0-6! Sweet!

BGMaverick9 · 01-15-2011, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

So you firmly believe:

a) Roddy is coming back
b) Carlisle will not only play him but start him?

A) Yes
As far as I can see, he's taking his workouts up a notch (running, jumping, planting and cutting)

B) If he's healthy, I don't see why Carlisle wouldn't play him. He paid his dues last year and Carlisle has stated multiple times as far back as the summer to within the past week or two that the plan was originally to peg him as a starting SG and that Roddy's game would be a solid addition. I'd have to dig to find the quotes but he's recently said (paraphrasing) that Roddy would be a different weapon versus what the team currently has.

Now starting him, that might not come til we're getting farther down the road. If he's healthy and producing...I don't see why Carlisle would avoid the move.

He might not getting the "spot" they could easily do what they did, Stevenson set the table but now he'd do it for Roddy. He'll get minutes either way.

tcat075 · 01-15-2011, 11:03 PM

Yes, Roddy is coming back. This isn't a Kyrie Irving mystery toe injury. We know exactly what happened, and we have substantial evidence that Maverick personnel have let slip that indicates he rebroke the toe, which explains the extra time in healing. I'm hoping the end of January, possibly lasting until the All-Star break. He will be back by then.

And yes Carlisle will play him. He's not that stupid, and he really doesn't have a choice. I don't think he'll disrupt the starting lineup unless Stevenson really fades, but Roddy will come off the bench and when he's on the floor, I'd expect a lot of the offense to be run through him, because while he may not be a true point guard, he's the most versatile offensive player on the Mavericks (pass, shoot, drive).

FINtastic · 01-15-2011, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayliss

So you firmly believe:

a) Roddy is coming back
b) Carlisle will not only play him but start him?

Does he really have any choice at this point? We're so completely desperate for offense at this point that I don't see how Carlisle can refuse to play him. If you're into silver linings, that's about the only one I can find.

Popeye · 01-15-2011, 11:09 PM

Roddy will help out quite a bit. Just having a guard that can shoot over 40% will help volumes.

That said, i think people are having issue with the revisionist history that Butler and Roddy are the 2nd and 3rd best mavs. I would say if most people would rank the mavs they would have Dirk and then (Terry, Chandler, Kidd, Butler and Roddy) in some order. Basically, Dirk and 5 guys that are pretty good.

FINtastic · 01-15-2011, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Caron was definitely underrated. No doubt.

But everything is fail right now outside of maybe Mahinimi (100% from the field). I feared today what would happen if we started losing WITH Dirk. We need to just give away Barea and Haywood. How can anyone NOT be done with those two? Jason Kidd...sigh.

Oh yeah and everyone calling for Dojo...0-6! Sweet!

Well Dojo looked good except for the whole scoring thing, which has been his problem all along. Unfortunately if he can't shoot, his good all-around play is going to be a moot point.

DevinHarriswillstart · 01-15-2011, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by FINtastic

Well Dojo looked good except for the whole scoring thing, which has been his problem all along. Unfortunately if he can't shoot, his good all-around play is going to be a moot point.

Yep, hence why he dropped in the draft. He would have been in the lottery if he could shoot.

I'm a big scrooge right now....ugh. Dallas sports teams rock.

Popeye · 01-15-2011, 11:18 PM

Random stat... Dirk had more free throws tonight than Kidd has had in his last 5 games.

xavier · 01-15-2011, 11:20 PM

I just can't watch this anymore, its killing me

Usually Lurkin · 01-15-2011, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Popeye

Roddy will help out quite a bit. Just having a guard that can shoot over 40% will help volumes.

That said, i think people are having issue with the revisionist history that Butler and Roddy are the 2nd and 3rd best mavs. I would say if most people would rank the mavs they would have Dirk and then (Terry, Chandler, Kidd, Butler and Roddy) in some order. Basically, Dirk and 5 guys that are pretty good.

yes. We have been empty at the 2nd banana spot, but (if healthy) are absolutely stacked at the 3rd banana spot. The "arguably" in the "Butler and Roddy are arguably our 2nd and 3rd best players" is a legit argument that can be made. You are right in that that argument wouldn't be as strong as the "Dirk is our best player" argument.

Thomas86 · 01-15-2011, 11:59 PM

I'm not even hype about the Lakers @ Mavs game anymore.

jcm28 · 01-16-2011, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas86

I'm not even hype about the Lakers @ Mavs game anymore.

That's gonna be out comeback to the season game. We'll win by double digits and prove our dominance of the league.

mavs777 · 01-16-2011, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DevinHarriswillstart

Yep, hence why he dropped in the draft. He would have been in the lottery if he could shoot.

I'm a big scrooge right now....ugh. Dallas sports teams rock.

Well there have been guys to improve there shots in the nba

Rhylan · 01-16-2011, 12:34 AM

It really hit me upside the head tonight when Rickster went with Jones to start the second half despite his inability to shoot - This Mavs team desperately needs speed on the floor.

Guard play right now is ATROCIOUS. Freaking horrible. Stevenson is a nice complimentary player and I love the D and the energy, but he's arguably been the best guard over this stretch, and that's not what you want. He's been sliding over to the 3 a lot, to make matters worse.

Kidd and JET have been listless. Remember when Mike Finley missed a bunch of games for the first time ever, and when he came back, he was so "meh" out there that Nellie said, "Finley was just a swingin' dick out there tonight." That's what JET and Kidd have been for the last 2+ weeks.. Swingin' D's.

Barea doesn't even qualify for the discussion. He always has the ability to get hot and put the ball in the basket for a stretch, but he's too much of a gimmick to be a net plus for a team whose primary weapons on the floor are playing like crap.

It's funny how losing two forwards has exposed the crappy guard situation on the team, but these guys have either lost it to the point that they absolutely depend on Dirk (and, maybe even Caron) being out there to play off of.. or they've just lost it, period.

I hope Kidd is more the former, because he's been the same guy physically for his time here since '08. JET, I fear, has come back to Earth from that early season push where he looked like he'd regained some form. He may be who we thought he was after last year. He just seems mentally sideways now, going all the way back to before Dirk's injury, when he lost all ability to play basketball prior to the 4th quarter. I've been as big a JET supporter as anybody over the years, but unless he really turns it around in a hurry, it ain't looking good for him.

This team has to make a move for an offensive minded second scorer who can deliver nighly. Period. If Roddy is miraculously able to come in and be the #2 guy on a contender after having played 700 minutes of NBA ball and slogging through a 8+ month injury, then great. But boys, how likely do you REALLY think that is?

Bring me Stephen Jackson or even Devin Harris. Hate to say it, but it's time. (Or, "ees taing," if you are so inclined as a Rangers fan).

SMC0007 · 01-16-2011, 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Robillion

One of two things may happen from all the losing and volley ball ass pics.
1) we go into a state of denial every time the Mavs lose and can only think of volley ball girl ass in it's place.
or
2) every time we see volley ball girl ass we think of the Mavs losing.

Ill take #1 over 2, but still... here's to hoping this doesn't become a problem.

Almost every single ass in that pic is sub-par or unimpressive.

SMC0007 · 01-16-2011, 12:51 AM

DJ's minutes need to come at the PG spot, jeez give Kidd some rest already.

Also, we just have no one that can create their own offense reliably or consistently. In a pinch we have Dirk and thats it, even with Caron we watched him settle too often for the J. Who knows what Roddy will do when he comes back but surely no one is relying on him to be a consistent source of offense.

The team just looks frustrated and DOWN. They have to make a move for someone who can be more than just a role player. As much as I think you have to have patience in these situations and all that, they will need to at least replace Carons production and just adding Roddy isn't going to cut it.

I'm worried about Dirks knee... Having knee problems myself (which I know has nothing to do with Dirk) I know that mine will never be back the way it was and I can't do the things I used to be able to do. The mind wants to and you feel like you should be able to, you have the desire to but your body just can't and doesn't react the same. I hope to god this isn't the case.