PGT: JJB bends over Baron and does mean things.

[jthig32]

That was painful, and then suddenly it was fun. Clippers are a very, very tough matchup against the Mavs because of that crazy athletic front court.

JJB obviously was in beast mode all night.

I actually thought Haywood played with good energy tonight. His line doesn't look good but my I thought I saw a lot more effort tonight.

Great to see Jet and Dirk have quality offensive games.

[sefant77]

[LetsGoMavs]

[fluid.forty.one]

Hopefully this win gives them their confidence back.

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I actually thought Haywood played with good energy tonight. His line doesn't look good but my I thought I saw a lot more effort tonight.

Absolutely.

[grndmstr_c]

I'm posting in this thread because it's title is more awesomer.

JJB was a superstar tonight. JET came through big in the second half. And this was easily the best I've seen Haywood play.

Defensive execution for most of the 2nd half was excellent after the Clippers went off in the first (which was as much due to their hot shooting as to any defensive shortcomings on the Mavs' part, I thought).

It'll be nice when Dirk is back to being himself.

[sefant77]

Haywood had a really nice game, playing with energy and effort. I liked the hard foul on Griffin (Griffin shouldnt have tried to keep on to reverse-dunk it), the one play were he ran back like a mad man because Griffin was yelling for the fastbreak alley etc.

The Barea-Haywood tag team worked finally, Barea got some nice screens

Dirk is not even close to 75%

Ah and the Clippers are a terrible stupid team, 17 TO in the 2nd and 3rd combined.

[jthig32]

I think Haywood must be a listener of the Outsider Report. He seemed extra motivated.

[xrobx]

this was a huge win for us, the clippers have been on a roll so it's nice to put them back in their place, but it's just the way that we won. dirk, chandler, JJB and jet all took over certain portions of this game. all the role players stepped up. we actually looked like a good TEAM out there.

[Thomas86]

I'll take this win...oh and teams need to respect Chandler's jump shot because he's not Damp.

[dude1394]

Really great to see Wood contribute.. You saw out there why you still need the dude. Griffin is going to plow over any and everyone and the idiotic refs (boy were they idiots tonight) are going to let him do it.

He tried that crap on wood and just bounced off. Nice..

JJB made Baron his bitch...

[Underdog]

- Barea & JET combined for 53 points. Terry was a 4th quarter beast, Barea shot an über-efficient 9-12 and hit 3-4 from beyond the arc.

- Chandler scored 21 points in the first half and the beginning of the 3rd quarter to help keep us in the fight when our shots weren't falling.

- Marion led the Mavs in rebounding and hit a couple crucial shots during the run that put us ahead; he finished with a 10/10 double-double.

- Haywood looked really energetic and did a lot of things that didn't show up in the box score (unless there's a stat for kicking Blake Griffin's ass...)

- Dirk had another off night and still dropped 20.

- Our second half defense won this game.

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I think Haywood must be a listener of the Outsider Report. He seemed extra motivated.

Players have been known to receive the MOR bump after a heavy mention!


Carlisle was very mum on the altercation with B.Diddy situation.


Full, unique (and poorly written) recap in the AM on MMB.

[Underdog]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Players have been known to receive the MOR bump after a heavy mention!

You better dedicate an entire show to Roddy then...

[LonghornDub]

Originally Posted by BGMaverick9

Full, unique (and poorly written) recap in the AM on MMB.

I think you mean "not goodly written." Not goodly.

[AO41]

How many pts did JET have in the 4th?? anyone??

[fluid.forty.one]

Originally Posted by AO41

How many pts did JET have in the 4th?? anyone??

15 I think.

[AO41]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

15 I think.

Thanks I watched most of the game but just didnt keep track...just curious

[BGMaverick9]

My box score tells me that he actually scored 14 in the 4th.

6-10 shooting, 2-4 from 3-point range.

[BUMP]

Gotta give props to the Clipshow too. This team appears to have turned a corner and they give teams all they can handle every night. Griffin's special

[dalger]

There was a lot to like about last night's game. JJB, Jet and Tyson were fantastic, Marion had quite the quiet double-double, Haywood's effort was encouraging, Dirk's shooting was better compared to the Nets game, Kidd was very active on the defensive end in the second half and, most importantly, we won the game.

However, the fact that we scored 112 points hardly eliminates concerns about our offensive potential. Peja and Roddy should have a pretty decent impact on offense eventually, but said impact will most likely come at the expense of our defense and turn the Mavs into a less well-balanced team. That's particularly concerning due to our already less-than-stellar defense in the last couple of weeks.

Dirk, Tyson and Kidd are and will remain starters. When Butler and Stevenson were playing at the 2 and 3, we had a very good mix of offense and defense. Replacing Caron with a healthy and hopefully productive Peja could lead to decent results on the offensive end again, but we wouldn't be as good as we used to be defensively due to Peja being a one-dimensional player. Playing Peja at the 3 and Roddy instead of Stevenson at the 2 could make us an even better offensive team than we've ever been this season, yet our defense would be even worse.

The closest thing to a well-balanced team would be a lineup of Tyson, Dirk, Marion, Roddy and Kidd. The problem is that such a move would weaken our bench. In addition, having three one-dimensional and streaky offensive players in Jet, Peja and JJB come off the bench isn't exactly a promising scenario as it relates to our defense. Not to mention that starting Marion begs the question how we could effectively let him back up Dirk as well, which is necessary because of our lack of depth at the 4.

Long stories short, I think we still need a small forward who is capable on both ends of the floor to make us a more balanced team. Peja is worse than Butler, certainly defensively and probably offensively. Roddy could make up for that offensively, but if his minutes reduced Stevenson’s minutes in the process, the gain on offense would be a loss on defense.

[mac222b]

Haywood was very effective tonight. Active on both ends and harassing Griffin into bad shots.
It's ironic or something though that we're all praising him for basically doing the job he was paid huge money to do. He's shown up for a handful of games all year. Shown real effort and energy in maybe 3 or 4. I hope it continues but you just never know with him.

[JHT]

Haywood's stat line looks empty in the box score... but he has a plus minus of +22! That says a lot. He really played hard out there. Don't know what got into him, but he looked at least 70% like the Haywood we've been hoping for, as opposed to his usual 20%. Great to see.

Dirk struggled a bit but his shooting was better than the previous night and he actually looked pretty good exploding to the basket a few times. I didn't really see him dragging that leg or anything, not sure why he wasn't scoring. Clearly he isn't healthy, which is why Carlisle sat him so much. But there aren't any really obvious signs on the court aside from the fact that his shot isn't going in.

[JHT]

Originally Posted by dalger

Playing Peja at the 3 and Roddy instead of Stevenson at the 2 could make us an even better offensive team than we've ever been this season, yet our defense would be even worse.

To some extent. However Roddy isn't a bad defender, actually he's a pretty decent defender against those fast waterbug PGs that Kidd can't handle. So in those situations, having him out there will improve our defense.

I don't think it's written in stone though that Peja will start. I know Carlisle likes Marion coming off the bench, but to me the starting lineup that makes the most sense with Roddy and Peja available is...

C Chandler
PF Dirk
SF Marion
SG Roddy
PG Kidd

Then when it's substitution time you bring in Peja at the SF and put Stevenson at SG. Then if you want to bring in Terry you take out Peja and shift Stevenson to the SF. Or you bring in Terry, keep Peja at the 3, and sub Marion for Dirk. You don't weaken your bench at all, you have 2 big time scorers in Peja and Terry coming off the bench, a penetrator in Barea, and a shut down defender in Stevenson.

Either way I think as long as you keep either Stevenson or Marion out there at any given time you'll keep the defense honest and keep it balanced and the Mavs have the flexibility to that... it just means major rotation changes, but there's no way to avoid major rotation changes if they're going to work in Peja and Roddy.

Ideally I'd like the Mavs to always have two serious scoring threats and two or three serious defenders (one of them being the center, then Kidd and either Stevenson or Marion) at any given time. You can still do that with Peja and Roddy in the mix. Right now the problem is that too much of the time the Mavs end up only having one real scorer out there.

[DevinHarriswillstart]

JJB and Terry definitely deserve their credit tonight, but Chandler's offensive production is what catches my eye. Being able to FINALLY get some offense out of the center position is absolutely huge for this team. I'm so very glad they're making more of an effort to get him in the offensive flow of things.

[deamon]

Win, but our defense is still poor. Another opponent team with more than 50 FG%.
We don't need scorer, we need defender. Mavs can win even when they score 80ppg, but they have to play good defense. Keep opponent team below 43 FG% !
20th in rebounds? Yup we need defender who can press, steal and rebound. IGGY!

[rabbitproof]

I think wanting to avoid posterization was key for a sensitive guy like Haywood. But I hope that's not the case and he realizes there's a lot of opportunity for him to contribute and shine on this squad.

[Thomas86]

Originally Posted by dalger

There was a lot to like about last night's game. JJB, Jet and Tyson were fantastic, Marion had quite the quiet double-double, Haywood's effort was encouraging, Dirk's shooting was better compared to the Nets game, Kidd was very active on the defensive end in the second half and, most importantly, we won the game.

However, the fact that we scored 112 points hardly eliminates concerns about our offensive potential. Peja and Roddy should have a pretty decent impact on offense eventually, but said impact will most likely come at the expense of our defense and turn the Mavs into a less well-balanced team. That's particularly concerning due to our already less-than-stellar defense in the last couple of weeks.

Dirk, Tyson and Kidd are and will remain starters. When Butler and Stevenson were playing at the 2 and 3, we had a very good mix of offense and defense. Replacing Caron with a healthy and hopefully productive Peja could lead to decent results on the offensive end again, but we wouldn't be as good as we used to be defensively due to Peja being a one-dimensional player. Playing Peja at the 3 and Roddy instead of Stevenson at the 2 could make us an even better offensive team than we've ever been this season, yet our defense would be even worse.

The closest thing to a well-balanced team would be a lineup of Tyson, Dirk, Marion, Roddy and Kidd. The problem is that such a move would weaken our bench. In addition, having three one-dimensional and streaky offensive players in Jet, Peja and JJB come off the bench isn't exactly a promising scenario as it relates to our defense. Not to mention that starting Marion begs the question how we could effectively let him back up Dirk as well, which is necessary because of our lack of depth at the 4.

Long stories short, I think we still need a small forward who is capable on both ends of the floor to make us a more balanced team. Peja is worse than Butler, certainly defensively and probably offensively. Roddy could make up for that offensively, but if his minutes reduced Stevenson’s minutes in the process, the gain on offense would be a loss on defense.

Tayshaun Prince?...


Kidd
Beaubois
Prince
Nowitzki
Chandler

Think about the length of that line up...

[xrobx]

Originally Posted by Thomas86

Tayshaun Prince?...


Kidd
Beaubois
Prince
Nowitzki
Chandler

Think about the length of that line up...

i'm really high on prince, he has championship experience and can score 20 points when needed, he can rebound, and he can play solid defense. would be a dream come true if we somehow landed him

[jthig32]

Originally Posted by mac222b

Haywood was very effective tonight. Active on both ends and harassing Griffin into bad shots.
It's ironic or something though that we're all praising him for basically doing the job he was paid huge money to do. He's shown up for a handful of games all year. Shown real effort and energy in maybe 3 or 4. I hope it continues but you just never know with him.

I wouldn't call it huge money, but yes, it's sad that we've gotten to the point that we're excited when Haywood seems to give a damn.

[sefant77]

"No, that's not a flagrant foul," Haywood told ESPNDallas.com's Jeff Caplan. "I feel the NBA should give my money back for that one. It was one of those plays, I just grabbed his arm. He's just so athletic and strong that he was still trying to finish the play and he ends up basically not protecting himself."

100% agree

It was a clean hard foul. When he put his arms on him Blake was with both feed on the ground and still he tried to "break through" the foul to do an unbalanced reverse dunk. Thats just stupid and dangerous by himself. He has to learn to accept such hard fouls and just throw the ball up for a lucky and1 like everyone else does...

[41mvp]

Originally Posted by deamon

Win, but our defense is still poor. Another opponent team with more than 50 FG%.
We don't need scorer, we need defender. Mavs can win even when they score 80ppg, but they have to play good defense. Keep opponent team below 43 FG% !
20th in rebounds? Yup we need defender who can press, steal and rebound. IGGY!

1.Did you see this match?Did you see 3th Q?In 3th Q our defense was great.I think we can play good defense and we haven't problems with this.
2.We have problem with rebounds because we use zone defence.

[Axilla]

some good thoughts in this PGT

dalger, i think you're looking at this the right way. however sometimes strategy takes a back seat. i like your ideas tho.

haywood was very impressive. that one shouldn't have been called a flagrant--we all agree.

JJ had a gigantic impact on the game.. pretty unexpected and likely a bit of an anomoly, but i was very proud to see him keep his composure and mentally defeat Baron.

terry was on fire, but we all know how often that flame is extinguished

kidd and deshawn had a remarkable impact on the defensive end by making the post and re-post passes very difficult. with the help of whoever was guarding the post (marion, chandler, haywood, dirk) it was a magnificent tandem.

marion is so active, i just wish he was more efficient... of course so many things fall his way due to his sporadic nature, so i'll leave well-enough alone


great team win. i see us making necessary adjustments and pushing forward to the playoffs

[LonghornDub]

I said something about it in the GDT, but I remain very concerned about our rebounding. Sometimes it's the zone thing, but a lot of times that has nothing to do with it. What concerns me the most is frequent lack of activity from our bigs (except Tyson) when they are standing under the basket in proper position with the ball in the air. We have anywhere from 2 to probably 8 defensive rebounds a game that we absolutely should collect based on court positioning and size, but our guy just will stand there and wait for it.

The Clippers have a super-athletic frontline, so it's not too surprising to see Griff and Jordan sneak in for some rebounds, but it's been a season-long issue. I don't expect our guys to out-athlete these young teams out of the gym, but I want more consistency on relatively routine rebounds.

The optimist in me says this will improve in the playoffs because Dirk always kicks up his rebounding by at least 2 per game in the playoffs, but we got pretty badly outrebounded last year by the Spurs IIRC, so I dunno.

[BGMaverick9]

Did THAT Just Happen?!

- Tyson Chandler had a perfect shooting performance as he went 5-5 from the field and 11-11 from the free throw line. He finished the game with 21 points in just 17 minutes of action. The 11 consecutive made free throws marked the most free throws he has made without a miss in his career (previous: 9 - January 21, 2005 vs Atlanta). The 21 points scored was the most scored by Chandler since January 4, 2008. It was his 14th career 20-point game. Foul trouble plagued Chandler and that got in the way of a potential career night from the center.

- Dirk Nowitzki had another tough night from the field. He had a moment though where he started to show his old form in the second quarter. He scored 8 points in the final 2:09 of the second quarter. That stretch marked his first made field goals in the game. Nowitzki also had to endure more bodily harm. Nowitzki is still recovering from his sprained knee but he also took a shot to to the left cheek that left a scratch and was hit in the head in the second half and left him with blurry vision momentarily.

- Brendan Haywood was scoreless on the evening but he still left an imprint on the game. With just 42 seconds left in the 3rd quarter, Haywood delivered a flagrant foul on Blake Griffin as he was trying to complete a spin-move into a dunk and that sent him to the ground, injuring his left elbow. The Mavericks cranked up the energy in the second half and that play symbolized that Dallas had enough of the "Blake Griffin Show." The electric forward came back in the 4th quarter (with a protective-sleeve on his elbow) but did not have the same impact as he did in the first half. The game also gave people the opportunity to see Ian Mahinmi on the floor as a power forward alongside Haywood.

- JJ Barea was a pest with his scoring and was a pest with his aggressiveness on defense. With just under 9 minutes to go in the quarter, Barea pressed on Baron Davis as they were going up the court. Initially, Davis gave a subtle elbow to Barea and the Mavericks guard ran back towards Davis to pressure him again which led to a more aggressive elbow that sent Barea to the ground. Both players exchanged glares and then Barea walked away from the situation and smiled. The situation was far from over as Coach Rick Carlisle and Davis exchanged four-letter words between each other and both received technical fouls. When asked after the game about the altercation, Carlisle did not want to speak about the situation.

- Jason Terry threw four fingers up in the air and that signified that it was his time. Terry has a knack for making the fourth quarter his quarter and that was the case against the Clippers. Jet scored 14 fourth quarter points (the Mavericks scored 31 points in the quarter) on 6-10 shooting from the field and shot 2-4 from the three-point line.

more at http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2011/1/...ippers-112-105

[Skywalker]

WIN

[BGMaverick9]

Originally Posted by jthig32

I think Haywood must be a listener of the Outsider Report. He seemed extra motivated.

Also make note of Barea's numbers since January 10th...
the trend is gaining steam

[deamon]

Originally Posted by 41mvp

1.Did you see this match?Did you see 3th Q?In 3th Q our defense was great.I think we can play good defense and we haven't problems with this.
2.We have problem with rebounds because we use zone defence.

I see you watched just 3rd.

[fluid.forty.one]

Around the horn is freaking out about Haywood's foul. wtf? It wasn't even that hard.

lol "you aren't just suppose to grab the guy" uhh.. ya you are. Don't give him the and-1. That's basketball 101.

[Axilla]

Originally Posted by fluid.forty.one

Around the horn is freaking out about Haywood's foul. wtf? It wasn't even that hard.

lol "you aren't just suppose to grab the guy" uhh.. ya you are. Don't give him the and-1. That's basketball 101.

i like the idea, but that show is utterly stupid.
those sports writers are INEPT

reali is the best part about that show... which is sad.
i wouldn't even know about it if it weren't for PTI


Dear AroundTheHorn,

haywood shoulda fouled him harder.

Sincerely,
Axilla